But if the sales won’t cover the costs of development of DLC 2 then they haven’t profited from it. That’s the quandary. Ultimately we’ll probably have to accept that pre-ordering content carries risk that might not be worth a pack of golden weapons.
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Of all the industries where working from home is a viable option then surely game development is one of them. Sitting at a PC and communicating via discord could be done from a moon base. Unlike driving a train, for example.
They have my money and havent provided the content promised. I dont care if they lost money on anything - they owe me either that content or a refund.
Whether or not the profit covers the costs of development is moot - and not how commerce works anyway. You cant take money for something and then say "sorry, were not making that thing but were still keeping your money."
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And now we come full circle again. Romero had a contract with Paradox. We don’t know why that broke down as nobody will say. We had a contract with Steam, or Paradox if bought directly from them. So the consumer’s issue isn’t with the developer, but the publisher or the steam ‘middle man’.
It is important to know the difference. It isn’t just a philosophical musing, but corporate law. The consumer never had a contract with Romero Games.
If people put as much effort into programming as we are in critiquing you’d have DLC stacked like EU4.
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I hark back of the days where you walked into a shop and bought a floppy disk and it just worked. Sometimes you liked the game, sometimes you didn’t. Nowadays I think there’s pressure on both devs to perform before a game has matured and for the consumer to buy into it before it has even been allowed to take place. This solely benefits publishers and I’m surprised that some are overlooking this blatant corporate malpractice and being angry at developers having to work under such conditions.
The shame is on Paradox here. Yes they’re behind lots of games we all love but the bottom line is that they’re just a corporate entity no different to ones drilling for oil and their main interest is in making a profit.
And if any of their big wigs are sat there reading this they’re probably nodding in agreement. These are the facts of the industry in 2023.
The shame is on Paradox here. Yes they’re behind lots of games we all love but the bottom line is that they’re just a corporate entity no different to ones drilling for oil and their main interest is in making a profit.
And if any of their big wigs are sat there reading this they’re probably nodding in agreement. These are the facts of the industry in 2023.
First of all, we have no idea what their contract says, short of them showing it to us, which hasnt happened.
Most importantly, it doesnt matter in the slightest. You make a commitment, you keep that commitment - and, if you don't, no one should trust you again. At some point, they had to have told Paradox that they were able to make 2 DLC. Until they do, they have failed gamers. Romero failed to meet their commitment, as did Paradox and Steam. The only "victim" here is the consumers.
At the very least, they shouldnt be working on a new game with the profits from content they never delivered.
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I agree with Blaeys. At the end of the day we have bought something that has been missold and that arguably doesn't exist. That seems like fraud to me. I wish I had the patience to read the small print and or any relevant case law to see whether there is a time limit on how long we have to wait for this product to be produced before we are entitled to a refund. But I don't have the patience to research this.
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We all don´t know what is the Corona-Time-Reason to let make Romero such an Decission. All what we know from the Statement is, that they wanna use an better Game-Design-Programm and make other Games with it too as well as getting bigger with Personal.
Like said, that´s their good right and all Game-Companys, Publishers as well as Game-Developers have had time to refresh their Working. Some did it (like Paradox with the new Hoi 4 Team) others not.
Time will tell what will happen with Empire of Sin. I like it about the Mafia-Stile and it fit very good in my Collection with the MAFIA-Storyline-Series.
The Platforms didn´t failed the Commitment. They are only the the Customers, which bring the Games to the using People [in our case Gamers] (like in the past the Shops in the Time when Games get sold in Boxes) which sell the Games and Products for the Publishers / Developers. The Shops give Storage-Room and Shelvings where the Games get in. The Platforms from Today in Digital are nothing else then the Shops in the Past (Boxed-Soled Games) with some improvements you have there (Forum etc.).
If you don´t relativate your Comment in that, you say that Microsoft, GoG, Steam and all other Platforms are general suspision. And that´s not good for us Endusers [Gamers] worldwide. Then we are the in general suspision the bad Guys about one improvident statement.
Like said, that´s their good right and all Game-Companys, Publishers as well as Game-Developers have had time to refresh their Working. Some did it (like Paradox with the new Hoi 4 Team) others not.
Time will tell what will happen with Empire of Sin. I like it about the Mafia-Stile and it fit very good in my Collection with the MAFIA-Storyline-Series.
The Platforms didn´t failed the Commitment. They are only the the Customers, which bring the Games to the using People [in our case Gamers] (like in the past the Shops in the Time when Games get sold in Boxes) which sell the Games and Products for the Publishers / Developers. The Shops give Storage-Room and Shelvings where the Games get in. The Platforms from Today in Digital are nothing else then the Shops in the Past (Boxed-Soled Games) with some improvements you have there (Forum etc.).
If you don´t relativate your Comment in that, you say that Microsoft, GoG, Steam and all other Platforms are general suspision. And that´s not good for us Endusers [Gamers] worldwide. Then we are the in general suspision the bad Guys about one improvident statement.
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Let’s look at it another way. Musical artists sign contracts with record labels to make X amount of albums and are given an advance.
This is exactly the same as what happens with game developers and publishers. You don’t need to look at a contract to know this is how it works.
The big difference is that record companies don’t ask you to pre-order an album and pay a bit extra with the promise of another record if you do.
Game publishers diverge here as this is now their business model. The developer has no say in this matter.
Capiche?
So what has happened is the record company has decided not to finance the second album because the first album didn’t sell as expected. And it’s just tough luck that you paid for it.
But you’re blaming the band.
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Let’s put it one more way. Is this discussion yielding any results whatsoever or is it a tennis match that never ends?
I quite like the tennis match that never ends. I’m sure those in ivory towers would rather it be forgotten about.
If they were watching the game I would agree. But since it's just us grousing over getting rooked it is growing a bit stale.
But, that's my perspective. Carry on my wayward sons! My best to you all.
This thread has a measly 112 replies yet an astonishing 9k views. So there appears to be a big audience for something stale and inconsequential.
I wonder who they are?
I registered over a decade ago but thanks for the welcome.
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The match can end when we either get the thing we paid for or a refund. Until that happens, every company that committed to providing value to gamers and/or agreed to sell a season pass with 2 DLCs is culpable and has to be held accountable - even if it means 100 more pages on this forum.
Everyone involved - including Paradox - are likely hoping the conversation just goes away. Until they make good on this, they should all be ashamed of how they are treating gamers.
Everyone involved - including Paradox - are likely hoping the conversation just goes away. Until they make good on this, they should all be ashamed of how they are treating gamers.
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Does this even happen in other industries? I am yet to walk into McDonalds, order a Big Mac Meal only to be told "Yeah we didn't make enough money on burgers today so we're not supplying you with your drink, we're keeping your money though".
We are being treated like hot garbage.
We are being treated like hot garbage.
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Time will tell. I personaly don´t open a whole new can of worms in that. They have to deliver an 2nd DLC. When that will be, we will see.
The Groundgame and the first big DLC with some small DLCs from Empire of Sin are good and I like it. It´s fit very good in the MAFIA-Series with the difference that it´s an tactical Game with economy elements.
Remembers me back to the C64 Game called Mafia Games or so. It´s too long ago when I played that 1980s Predecessor from Empire of Sin.
The Groundgame and the first big DLC with some small DLCs from Empire of Sin are good and I like it. It´s fit very good in the MAFIA-Series with the difference that it´s an tactical Game with economy elements.
Remembers me back to the C64 Game called Mafia Games or so. It´s too long ago when I played that 1980s Predecessor from Empire of Sin.