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They really don't. They have moved on. They are NOT gonna make a 2nd DLC. They took the money and ran and Paradox says and does nothing about it.
This whole thing has shaken my trust in Paradox so much that pre-orders for anything are OUT and I will be taking a hard, skeptical look at anything they publish. TBH I likely won't even touch published games until they've been out a couple years are confirmed to be finished if this is expected behavior.
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Don't own this game, and never will, but it's shocking to me that this thread was originally posted in January and I can still hop on Steam and buy the expansion pack for $15 despite radio silence from the company for months and they obviously not having any intention of fulfilling their legal and contractual obligations. I'm surprised Paradox isn't acting more forcefully on this, it's a terrible look for the company.
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So, as to give you all some more information. In September i inquired with Paradox support on the situation. Since it was still being sold and i had preordered it with the dlc i wanted to know if it was still being developed. Here the answer i got from their customer support:
I really hope that means we will still see something. Sounds at least like they´re still aiming to release something.
Wasn't the Discord channel deleted? This sounds more like a generic customer support response from a bot (either figuratively or literally) who doesn't really know anything.
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Could very well be, but thats at least what the message is from paradox. It was signed by a name which i didnt want to add, but i really do hope that something is happening.
Especially the part about them still selling DLC 2 is very suspicious to me. They should be aware that thats problematic if they never intend to actually develop it.
They do, when you buy a product, it's a full on contract and they wrote in the contract, that you would get DLC1 and DLC2, they haven't delivered on DLC2 yet, depending on local regulations, at some point it defaults to a "failure to deliver agreed product" and then you are entitled to get your money back.
Which I guess is 50% of whatever the season pass cost.
Doesn't matter, they can just infinitely delay the launch of DLC #2 so they don't get into trouble.
Currently, all they are doing is legal (for some stupid reason), because TECHNICALLY it does have a release date, except it's never going to be released.
Currently, all they are doing is legal (for some stupid reason), because TECHNICALLY it does have a release date, except it's never going to be released.
Makslaskabata2, that is very good consolidadet. Better it´s not to explain.
To end this Discussion: We will see what happens. Therefore we all have to be patient and drink tea.
To end this Discussion: We will see what happens. Therefore we all have to be patient and drink tea.
This is a mischievous line:
So who are the developers? Because it certainly isn’t Romero Games and the Empire of Sin Discord channel is long gone. And why can’t we simply be updated here, on Paradox’s very own forum?
So who are the developers? Because it certainly isn’t Romero Games and the Empire of Sin Discord channel is long gone. And why can’t we simply be updated here, on Paradox’s very own forum?
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Perhaps email fredrikwester@paradoxinteractive.com
No idea if that’s his email. He has a LinkedIn profile though:
Fredrik Wester - CEO & President - Paradox Interactive | LinkedIn
CEO at Paradox Interactive. Since 2003 we have built Paradox from a 7 man studio to an international Publisher with over 600 employees and a handful of partner companies developing games under the Paradox Publishing umbrella. <br><br>Driver of organizational improvements and implementation of...
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Romero is basically the only one at fault here as far as I know from recent.
Paradox already said that they will never be delivering DLC 2 as the game is "archived", however Romero is still placing it up for pre-order and is even putting it on sale on the Nintendo store.
Steam should be ashamed of themselves for not acting on this.
Paradox already said that they will never be delivering DLC 2 as the game is "archived", however Romero is still placing it up for pre-order and is even putting it on sale on the Nintendo store.
Steam should be ashamed of themselves for not acting on this.
I’ve been a fan of Paradox for a while but this situation is leaving a very sour taste in my mouth and really making me doubt any future purchases. To keep a product on sale that is never going to happen is blatant fraud. It is clear paradox have dropped this game and the developers. It is also clear that the second DLC is not in development and never will be. So we as a community must simply demand a refund. We should communicate to Steam and ask them for a refund. If enough people complain and write to steam they will investigate the matter. Steam will not want to be involved or even touch this situation if they were aware of it, which I suspect they are not as they are being feed the same BS we as a community are being feed. Steam are inadvertently culpable because they are taking our money and having the DLC on sale. Obviously if you’ve purchased from Paradox directly then they are culpable. In short, 3 years for a DLC to be released is beyond unacceptable.
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You have this the wrong way round, as do many others. It’s somewhat perplexing. It’s this:
1) the developers develop a game. (Romero)
2) the publisher invests in development and then sells the game for profit. (Paradox)
Ergo no. 2 deals with Steam not no. 1
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Should we try to coordinate some joint action? Atleast in EU we should have decent consumer protection laws. Maybe create some Discord server or something and think where to go with this, its obvious just talking in here is not enough to actually progress things. As the expansion pack is still being sold in many plarforms, I'm sure we can find a decent amount people who are in similar situation and care about their rights.
On the one hand I agree. They shouldn’t be allowed to get away with taking people’s money and not delivering on what was promised. On the other hand, what have I lost? £10 at most? It’s not really worth fighting for. I just won’t pre-order anything again given there’s obviously a risk involved that any benefits of pre-ordering (some graphical fluff, woo!) doesn’t outweigh the loss of a promised DLC.
Yeah I know its like 10e per person so its not like one person is caring thats much, but that is what they are relying on most likely. If you combine all of these people they have made big profit doing absolutely nothing.
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Just to give them a little reminder of why it's always good to deliver on promises.
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Fair points.
There just doesn’t seem to be enough folk replying to make a difference though. Back when another game got cancelled, which I’m not sure I can mention so I won’t, the forums went into nuclear uproar. Paradox responded then. They’re not responding now because the complaints aren’t at that level. They can easily ignore this and so they are.
There just doesn’t seem to be enough folk replying to make a difference though. Back when another game got cancelled, which I’m not sure I can mention so I won’t, the forums went into nuclear uproar. Paradox responded then. They’re not responding now because the complaints aren’t at that level. They can easily ignore this and so they are.
Thats why we should gather up more people from otherplaces as well, Steam, Reddit, etc. to get enough people to have some leverage. We could then message Steam and other platforms about this as Im sure they are not too happy that non existing products are sold through them. Then ofc the relevant legal entitities if needed. I'm not an expert in these matters (luckily you rarely encounter these sort of things), but I'm sure if we get enought people we as a group can come up with a good course of action.
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