It occurs to me that only the Vanguard and Dvar are full pure human factions

[Vind7]

Lore descriptions of some units suggest amazons killed off all males in their group as they are warmongers and cant be peaceful treehuggers and used cloning afterwards. So can you name them human after this?

 

[Goblin-Cookie]

It is pretty safe to assume we are looking at an 'average' member of the faction, or at least the average of the military arm of that faction. So the Amazon commander bulkier than the female Vanguard commander is a rather strong hint that the Amazons are ON AVERAGE larger than Vanguard women. Really. . . I am surprised this needs to be explained. With limited resources you aren't going to be able to offer every possible bodytype so you offer up one that is, on average, representative of those the character is supposed to represent. Duh.

Where do the military arm of the Amazon faction actually come from? Living in isolation on a paradise world of their own making, having removed your own aggressive drives does not exactly require a large military force. If due to changed circumstances you had to raise, from a population of many millions a military force in a hurry, where would you get the from?

The answer is that you would recruit athletes. You will still have those in your paradise world, even if you do not have many soldiers. The reason Amazons are so strong is that they had a lifetime of physical training behind them before they ended up in the military.

Have you played the Campaign? You may have noticed that the mission to acquire a mount for your Amazon sister requires you first to beat it into submission. And the mission to acquire the Voradon requires you to beat it into submission. And then Mahina gets up close to it in order to collar it. So I would say the Amazons end up close and personal with dangerous critters quite often. If an Amazon appeared in our world I wouldn't be at all surprised if the first thing she did was wrestle a bear or something. Listen to the dialogue of how much they enjoy the hunt, etc. They sound an awful lot like Thrill Seekers to me. Being larger, stronger, and fitter on average could be useful for such people.

I am presently playing the first mission in the campaign. The detail you have missed out is that the animals are unusually aggressive because of the disease afflicting the planet and the Amazons express regret that they were unable to tame most of the wildlife. The hunt itself is not also something the Amazons are doing on a whim, it is something that they are doing because it is their protocol; basically it is a chore. Since the creatures in question are dangerous marauders, they also do not have a choice.

There is no mission to acquire the Vorodon, there is a mission to deal with the last of the dangerous predators afflicting the area. After 'killing' the beast in the game Mahina takes pity on the vorodon, slaps an instinctual control collar on it and it becomes her unit; but that was not a premeditated outcome. This outcome rather clashes with the claim that the infection that makes the animals aggressive is incurable; it implies the vorodon was not infected unlike the other animals but Mahina never notes this fact.

Then Prey species overrun the Ecosystem.
This is dumb,
This is so dumb, we know in our world right now it is dumb.
Dozens of Ecosystems are suffering for this very problem right now, that is how dumb it is.

Why do you feel the need to make amazons sound incompetent, while ignoring every piece of lore?
Is your mysognism that extreme?

Prey species overrun the ecosystem, as opposed to predator species overrunning the ecosystem; from the Amazon POV which is safer to them? In any case the idea that predators are always going to be needed to control prey numbers is nonsense, since we cannot have an infinite food chain of predators each controlling the population of the one below it. There is no reason the chain cannot stop with what would normally be a prey species rather than a predator species; the predators are inherently needed to control prey numbers is a popular idea, but like many popular ideas it is wrong and maintained by self interest, human hunters like to pretend they doing something positive for the ecosystem.

In any case, there is no reason to think the predators stopped eating the prey, only that they stopped eating the Amazons. That the Amazons tame the dangerous wildlife using their biological skills is a basic fact of the lore. They then use these tamed dangerous animals as weapons against their enemies, including whatever creatures resist being tamed. I do not think that the Amazons changed the diet of the creatures, they probably still eat their prey because they are hungry but they just aren't aggressive or territorial and have an aversion to eating Amazons.

Lore descriptions of some units suggest amazons killed off all males in their group as they are warmongers and cant be peaceful treehuggers and used cloning afterwards. So can you name them human after this?

The lore description for the tyrannadon explicitly states that the Amazons removed all their aggressive tendencies.

 

[Goblin-Cookie]

All of them are human or are some variant of it, excepting the Kir'ko. That was a huge point of the world building. They're all from the same origin, the Star Union. Otherwise it all depends on your definition of Human.

Also, about the Dvar, I think it's pretty clear that they're shorter, because you can see the size difference on the tactical battle map. Not to mention how cramped the other heroes look when they're trying to pilot Dvar vehicles, and the fact Triumph basically came out and said they were space dwarves in their dev diary. It's likely they just got trapped on more massive planets with higher gravity, because they had more resources to mine, and they got shorter and more stout with each passing generation.

The issue here is what factions are humans like we are human.

There is the issue of perspective illusion, the Dvar suits is what we are seeing not the Dvar inside. The suits may be broader than they are tall, making the Dvar look smaller than humans when they are not.

 

[The Founder]

Prey species overrun the ecosystem, as opposed to predator species overrunning the ecosystem;

Wierd. In literally MILLIONS OF YEARS, the Predator species "Wolf" has not outrun their prey species.
Only when we removed the predators, did the prey species population skyrocket. It skyrocketed so much, we started hunting them again despite not needing it.

If predators wipe out the prey, the preadtors die out next.

In any case the idea that predators are always going to be needed to control prey numbers is nonsense, since we cannot have an infinite food chain of predators each controlling the population of the one below it.

Planet earth never had "infinite numbers of preadtor species" and it does quite fine despite it. So the basis of your argument is a fallacy at best.

So I just repeat:
If you do not have Preadtors, then Prey species overrun the Ecosystem.
This is dumb,
This is so dumb, we know in our world right now it is dumb.
Dozens of Ecosystems on earth are suffering for this very problem right now, that is how dumb it is.

Why do you feel the need to make amazons sound incompetent, while ignoring every piece of lore?
Is your mysognism that extreme?

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

Closed.