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I all,

I would like to know I long should I wait to get a patch for the italian version of EU II.

I know also some others people want to know about this matter.

This is my first paradox game but I'm willing to don't buy any more if the italian distributor is so lazy!
I like strategy game but just for fun not for getting stress and dissatisfaction (is it correct dissatisfaction?).


Best Regards with special thanks to Leader guys!!!!!!!

Have a good vacation (but is not yet August).

Preppuzzo detto anche Preppo.
 
Yes, you're right!:)

Senti, preppo, qui urge adottare misure drastiche! Ho scritto a quelli della Leader e i buffoni, con invidiabile faccia di mer... , m'hanno risposto che dipende dal publisher e non da loro!
Ora, o li subissiamo di e-mails, che cmq serviranno fino a mezzogiorno, oppure restiamo seduti a goderci i loro sporchi comodi... che poi ormai è chiaro che con Warcraft 3 e due o tre titoli in uscita da curare non gliene frega niente delle copie di EU2 già piazzate:mad:
I soldi per queste se li sono gia pigliati, chi glielo fa fare di sbattersi ancora "a gratis"?

E PARADOX NON SI SENTE!!!:mad:
PARADOX, POST SOMETHING ABOUT THIS MESS!!!!!!:O

I cant translate because my english is very poor... sorry:(
 
1) I have to remind you that this is an english board. Italian and other languages are tolerated but they shouldn't be the norm. Sorry :( I won't censor it as I was able to understand parts of it, but in the future, try to post in english, or at least include a summary or a translation of what you are saying. I can't understand all of the languages of the earth and if I let you post in Italian, I'll have to let others posts in their own languages and it will be a problem :( If your French is better than your english though, you can post in the French forum where I have created a specific thread for tech support in French :)

2) Paradox has sent the patch to Leader SPA months ago and they said they wanted to test it before they released it. I am sorry, but there is nothing more Paradox can do :( (they already posted that info in the General discussion forum when 1.05 was released)

I would suggest you gather all Italians of the board and that each of you send a e-mail the same day to Leader SPA.
 
POTERE AI PICCOLI: power to the mass (customers)

Now,

it's time to talk....

I would like to get in touch with all italian players in order to send much more e-mail we can to leader.

This is the only way to create sensibility.


Paradox, change you partner because I won't buy anymore from paradox and leader.

I'm sorry, you have a great strategic game but it is nothing if you don't have commercial power and capabilities to distribute your product

Three things are important: product, promotion and distribution (but I don't talk about price). The last is sufficient to stop your success.

Regards,

Preppuzzo

PS: I'll try to contact all the italian guys by the forums, looking to organize a great strike against Leader (but, I'm sorry, Paradox EU II game as well). Words on mounth is a great tool to get market share but also to lost it!
 
Re: POTERE AI PICCOLI: power to the mass (customers)

Originally posted by preppo
Now,

it's time to talk....

I would like to get in touch with all italian players in order to send much more e-mail we can to leader.

This is the only way to create sensibility.



PS: I'll try to contact all the italian guys by the forums, looking to organize a great strike against Leader (but, I'm sorry, Paradox EU II game as well). Words on mounth is a great tool to get market share but also to lost it!

Ciao Preppo,

I do agree with you: let us push Leader so that they release this bloody patch. How do you think it's better to go on? Do you have an e-mail address of the people who deal with this matters in Leader?

We could definitely write the same day, but it works only if we are a few

Buona giornata
 
Yes, Viper, you’re right! Sorry! But my english isn’t very good, and only in my original tongue some phrases get a clear sense. Ask to someone to translate all my posts isn’t very polite, right? But for sure i have a lot of interesting things to tell about this matter and the game in general, and only on the official forum i can wish that paradox (and other italian players) will read my message.

However, all will be as you desire, ‘cause you’re the lord, here:) (My reply was a general complaint about the Leader market politic)
So i will try to make my posts more comprensible than i can, and a gentle one will translate for me the parts too hard for me to write in english!

What Paradox can do for us? Paradox CAN write an official post where declair that is LEADER who has the responsability… simple and clear, or not? Not a simple post in their official forum (sorry kid, isn’t our problem… arrangiatevi!), or LEADER will ever tell us what he desire, and we “ce la pigliamo nel…” ehm, in english i can’t translate that!
Of course, this should generate a Casus Belli, and maybe no one of the two companies wants that! And we in the middle get kicks in the ass from left and right (frase inglesizzata… ma rende lo stesso scritta così?:))

Send thousand of e-mails to Leader will get us to nothing (well, maybe a legal action for savage e-mails bombing!).
1) Paradox was payed for the royaltY of the game from leader: all right for them!
2) Leader has sold xxx copies of the game to us getting is money (maybe not in number to justify many other efforts for this game): all right for them!
3) Maybe in the future will be others commercial relationship betwen the two companies… why create a “Casus Belli” for few poor customers and a game that can’t generate more profit?

If you really think that with three or four e-mails Leader will be sensibilized at the point to drop anything else (warcraft 3 and Arx fatalis’s total traduction for november ’02 tell you nothing - ) and make in two days a patch that in two months wasn’t able to do, you all are simply CRAZY! We all can do nothing, sorry… only wait for the patch… and praise the God, for sure!

Now, Paradox, let us see what you can make for your italian players (isn’t this your matter? well, thanks a lot lo stesso:) era giusto per sapere… somebody transalate that for me, please!): take the initiative and contact for us Leader S.P.A. asking for the future of the 1.05 patch!!!!

Well, from now i will try to write all my posts in English, also because i dont think that you will open an italian official forum (little, mini-mini J) for your dear, but not all anglophone, cute italian fans!

See you all (patched to 1.05, if possible)J

P.S. in italian (someone translate, please): da lunedì 29 sono in ferie per un mese, e mi sono ripromesso, moglie permettendo, di fondere il CD di EU2 a forza di giocarci! Giuro sul buon Dio nostro Signore che non mollo finché non mi danno la patch!!!!!!!!

P.P.S. I have some major crash to desktop problem when a storical event pop-up appear (like the messages with two or three options with bonus and malus). Can be a problem of bad translation that generate this CtD? Please, help me!
 
NO WAY

Don't think we are just a little number.

Strategy gaming is not for the mass but just for a little number of gamers.

We are a little number but more important than we can imagine!

I will try to gather much more people I can to stress Leader!

We are a little army but with a strong will and with good individuals! No way.

I would like to know if Leader knows the mean of customer experience, loyalty, satisfation.... I guess no!!!!!

We should remind Leader about!


Ciao

PS: Don't let then joking us (non lasciamoci prendere in giro
 
Preppo, you're an idealist! Experience, loyalty and satisfation are all things that a business company like LEADER don't get in count!
Profit and marketing, here are the real important points for their politic! When a game as sold a good amount of copies (e ci hanno ricavato quanto si erano prefissati), go on with another one, newer and more appetible (Warcraft 3)! Remember: little number = little profit

Translate a patch for a game like EU2 is a long and very stressing operation, that devour time and energy! If Leader has another "good" game to put on the market for noveber, but that has to be translated and tested, for you wich of the two will be granted of the better efforts and attentions? The older that has selled (ormai) all the possible or the newer that should be a "great killer application" (= great profit)?

No more utopistic and idealistic propaganda, please:) They make of this matter waht they want to do... only Paradox can help us!

(davvero credi che si spaccheranno la testa contro al muro e lavoreranno 24 ore al giorno per completare la patch dopo aver ricevuto 20 e-mails? Ottimista:) Io gliene ho gia mandate 2... aggiorniamo il conto!)

We have only to wait... and praise the God...

Bye all:)
 
as I said, Patric already posted in the EU 2 forum that the patch was sent to Leader SPA and they wanted to test it. He has no other control over them.

About mass e-mailing: Strategy First, the North American publisher once took a few weeks to release a patch. Users e-mail them en masse and they released the patch the day after. So obviously it can work.

about your crash: check the sticky thread "Italian CTD problems".
 
1) A direct link to the post no, eh (where is?)? Well enough, if a simple post is all what they can do for us...
2) Eeeeh, Leader isn't Strategy First... How many copies has sold EU2 here in Italy? 2000 e-mails is a thing, 20 is another!
3) Already done... of course:)

However, i will try with the e-mails program
 
Enough!
This is for technical support questions not for organising petitions.
You have been told that the patch was sent to Leader SPA because they wanted to test it. AFAIK they still have it. They are in control of when it is published.
The support staff here can do nothing either.
If you want to organise a mass e-mailing to Leader then use the EU2 Forum please. This is not a forum for discussions.

Thank you
 
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