Kings, Emperors, and Statesmen: A Saga 1066-1920

[Sabaron]

AAARRGH

I totally spaced the game. I had work until eight hours before the game on Saturday, and then had to come in again so I wouldn't be able to attend anyway (this should never happen again) but I'm sorry I didn't even think of telling you guys. I should have been able to play but got called in to cover a sick colleague, and after the craziness of Saturday night the game wasn't on my mind.

Really really sorry. At least France hasn't imploded in my absense.

 

[Lurken]

But France is excommed!

And why should Germany implode? With zero scutage, fuedal law and good traits, Germany is very stable.

 

[Sid Meier]

hmm? Sterk I was talking tongue in cheek, you know friendly rivalry.

 

[Varyar]

But France is excommed!

Is it? I know that the starting ruler(Philippe?) became excommunicated but he died pretty soon and Renaud(son from first marriage) took the reins and have held them since IIRC(Adele only gave you daughters Sabaron ).

@Sabaron: With a solid alliance, England had France's back covered throughout the session

EDIT: @Sterkarm: It would be VERY good if you could edit in the rules of the game in the first post of this thread.

 

[Lurken]

Is it? I know that the starting ruler(Philippe?) became excommunicated but he died pretty soon and Renaud(son from first marriage) took the reins and have held them since IIRC(Adele only gave you daughters Sabaron ).

Oh...yea..the excommunication happened fairly early, so I might be wrong.

EDIT: @Sterkarm: It would be VERY good if you could edit in the rules of the game in the first post of this thread.

Agreed, we were undecided about a couple of incidents.

 

[Varyar]

I think we need to pick a new 2nd GM, as well as a 3rd GM, since CSK resigned and binTravkin has been absent for two weeks now. Earlier in this thread CSK suggested me as GM. I don't mind assuming that position but I'd rather be a 'right hand' of someone more experienced, like Lurken or Sid/Vlad.

Also, a reminder for all players, since some seemed not to know this:

WRITING AN AAR GIVES YOU A 2,5 BADBOY REDUCTION PER SESSION AND UPDATE!

Those of you who start one, please mention it in this thread and I'll keep a BB reduction tab to make sure that no accumulated reductions are forgotten.

Furthermore, Sid/Vlad brought up the issue of wether this reduction could be transformed into a suitable amount of gold, when such is more desired. I don't find the idea unreasonable, the question is how much gold. Is 500 enough, or is it worth as much as 2000 gold? How much would you be willing to pay for such reduction? Post your thoughts.

A final note. When the save file we will be using next sunday is edited(by me or host or someone else), the King of Naples(Sander) shall have his claim to the county of Verona removed as it was, AFAIK, obtained unintentionally against the rules.

 

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Furthermore, Sid/Vlad brought up the issue of wether this reduction could be transformed into a suitable amount of gold, when such is more desired. I don't find the idea unreasonable, the question is how much gold. Is 500 enough, or is it worth as much as 2000 gold? How much would you be willing to pay for such reduction? Post your thoughts.

There is never enough money for 2,5 BB. Money is just worth more for smaller states than bigger ones, thus the bigger ones don't need it at all. This would make AARs from bigger countries more rare.

I still think -2,5 BB is the best. You can always need that, no matter which state you play.

 

[Sid Meier]

currently assuming I can keep wars to a minimum my standard income is about 24-30 ducates a month, i'm 6700 ducates in debt.

30 X 12 months is 360 ducates a year.

7000 or so ducates / 300-360ducates = 19-24 years, probably 28 if ym income fluctuates.

7000-2000d = 5000 / 300 = 14-19 years.

Even if 2000 seems a tab much Its not going to give my an ass load of money at this rate it only makes me getting out of debt faster by 6-10 years.

I'm *still* going to be in debt for a long, long time.

However to make sure I don't cheat it I believe that the amount if earn should be intrinsically linked to how good my AAR is with a minimum of 250 and a max of 2500 to simulate its *epic l33tness*.

And Sterk Poland's not getting eaten up, I never grabed any territory from Poland in each session we played, I attacked pagans to reduce my BB, and there was that one war with poland but I even gave up a provence just so that I could peace out.

Poland was attacked by Bohemia, Hungary and some pagans at one point but I never took advantage of the situation, I'm expanding yes, but so is for that matter everyone else and I only did it during crusades as per rules.

Look, there's a pronsk player so it'll keep the game balanced for now. as it is the Czardom of all the Russia's could easily slide to either of us. Poland's position is still crucial, you are not within a hair of gaining cuman and could easily slow me down, I *think* I could handle you if its 1 v 1 though I'ld prefer to get as many othe rplayers as possible to DoW you so I can WP as fast as I can, I'm never ever ever ever going to demand territory from Poland in any war only WP since I have other places which I would much rather have elsewhere.

Though Hungary (AI) is pissing me off now and I may be forced to grab a provence or 2 if it would stop dowing me every second year.

 

[Varyar]

There is never enough money for 2,5 BB. Money is just worth more for smaller states than bigger ones, thus the bigger ones don't need it at all. This would make AARs from bigger countries more rare.

I still think -2,5 BB is the best. You can always need that, no matter which state you play.

The idea wasn't to remove the -2,5BB, but to let the writer choose between BB reduction and gold according to his needs.

 

[Sander_NL]

I think we need to pick a new 2nd GM, as well as a 3rd GM, since CSK resigned and binTravkin has been absent for two weeks now. Earlier in this thread CSK suggested me as GM. I don't mind assuming that position but I'd rather be a 'right hand' of someone more experienced, like Lurken or Sid/Vlad.

Also, a reminder for all players, since some seemed not to know this:

WRITING AN AAR GIVES YOU A 2,5 BADBOY REDUCTION PER SESSION AND UPDATE!

Those of you who start one, please mention it in this thread and I'll keep a BB reduction tab to make sure that no accumulated reductions are forgotten.

Furthermore, Sid/Vlad brought up the issue of wether this reduction could be transformed into a suitable amount of gold, when such is more desired. I don't find the idea unreasonable, the question is how much gold. Is 500 enough, or is it worth as much as 2000 gold? How much would you be willing to pay for such reduction? Post your thoughts.

A final note. When the save file we will be using next sunday is edited(by me or host or someone else), the King of Naples(Sander) shall have his claim to the county of Verona removed as it was, AFAIK, obtained unintentionally against the rules.

Agreed, first I thought it was independent so I grabbed the claim which was 50 prestige and declared war but then duchy of Kärnten declared war on me. This should have rung a bell, but it didnt hehe, I was too excited of the expansion and the new duchy of verona awaiting.

I think we should give the opportunity to ask for money reward with AAR, but I think an amount of 500 should be enough.

P.S. Where to write the AAR? here or in the diplomacy thread?

 

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The idea wasn't to remove the -2,5BB, but to let the writer choose between BB reduction and gold according to his needs.

Well, that would be ok, though the amount could be dependent of the income you get normally (like 6 months income or more).

P.S. Where to write the AAR? here or in the diplomacy thread?

Crusader Kings AAR section. Then post that it is a multiplayer AAR and post a link to this thread. Also post a link to the AAR here.

 

[Varyar]

Well, that would be ok, though the amount could be dependent of the income you get normally (like 6 months income or more).

Well, my current income is around 20 gold a month. 6 months income would net me a mere 120 gold, even 12 months income would only amount to 240 gold. Besides, I'm rather in favour of a fixed amount. Perhaps 1500 gold?

I think we should give the opportunity to ask for money reward with AAR, but I think an amount of 500 should be enough.

It's not a small amount, but keep in mind the alternative. -2,5BB is very beneficial. Hell, even when I essentially went bankrupt I would have had my doubts about exchanging all that BB reduction for only 500 gold.

Then again, Sid/Vlad might see it differently

 

[Sid Meier]

while -2.5 BB would be nice I still have crusades/pagans to expand into reducing the amount of time I'm in debt (making me King of Rus that much faster) by a few years is to be MUCH more beneficial then reducing my BB.

And 1500 gold would be very very nice. After all BB is soo instrinsically important to the game having too much BB means civil wars and collapse, money is by retrospect worth alot less then BB because money can be spent and earned in ways that BB can't.

 

[Sterkarm]

Too bad to hear that Sterkarm, it looked grim for a time for AI Poland, but they got back, and took much of the land in Bolgar, and they have a solid ally in good Catholic realm of Germany.

I think I will go and ask HAL, if he would like to take over the mantel of Poland in this, since he is afterall a Poland fanboi. If it is okey?

Well, I'll see in two weeks if I can get my schedule worked out. So don't ask HAL quite yet.

 

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As a future warning I will not be able to make it this upcoming sunday as I will be visiting family. I will use this time to find a sub for me if it is possible and I am planning on writing an AAR soon. Last game was pretty fun and I do have some good things to write about : ).

 

[Lurken]

Well, I'll see in two weeks if I can get my schedule worked out. So don't ask HAL quite yet.

OK.

QUOTE=Richard II]As a future warning I will not be able to make it this upcoming sunday as I will be visiting family. I will use this time to find a sub for me if it is possible and I am planning on writing an AAR soon. Last game was pretty fun and I do have some good things to write about : ).[/QUOTE]
You could always look for a sub yourself, since we can't always promise that we'll find one...

Re: AAR-reward; BB-reductionis sweet, and gold is a joke later on. BB-reduction for teh w1n

Re: GM-ship; I would accept the role as stand-in GM, if asked. However I just want to point out the possible pitfalls to have a powerful nation as GM, so I would like to have a "Harpy", to control me so that I do not do anything wrong or biased, for that Varyar would be quite good or even Sid.

 

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I didnt mean that as a mistatement . I am going to attempt at finding one for myself

 

[Lurken]

I didnt mean that as a mistatement . I am going to attempt at finding one for myself

Oh...okey

 

[Sid Meier]

I'll gladly be GM, I have the rules printed out and I'm pretty sure I didn't break any rules so I'm not above the law, though the issue with finishing the conquering of a dowed pagan is yet to be resolved.

 

[Lurken]

I'll gladly be GM, I have the rules printed out and I'm pretty sure I didn't break any rules so I'm not above the law, though the issue with finishing the conquering of a dowed pagan is yet to be resolved.

Maybe we can hash it out now, AFAIK, a pagan who dows you are fair game, AFAIK if your alliance partner calls on you versus a pagan it is fair game. Then some more...