Manpower

Allenby · Jun 8, 2004

Allenby said:
Good. Someone volunteer and code it then.

AHEM

StephenT · Jun 8, 2004

Well, since you asked so nicely...

Code:

event = { 
	country = USA
	id = 58010
	random = no 
	style = 0 

name = "Standing armies in times of peace" 
desc = "Opposition to a standing army was a core part of the identity of the 
United States.  A tiny force of regulars to guard the frontiers, a poorly-
funded National Guard in case of emergencies - these were all that were 
considered necessary.  The government did not have the freedom to raise 
large numbers of troops unless the country was at war."

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1914 } 
	offset = 1
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1925 }

action_a = { 
	name = "The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force" 
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 112 value = -12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 116 value = -12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 121 value = -12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 122 value = -12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 124 value = -12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 125 value = -12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 129 value = -12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 177 value = -12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 181 value = -12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 187 value = -12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 188 value = -12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 192 value = -12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 193 value = -12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 194 value = -12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 92 value = -8 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 158 value = -8 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 178 value = -8 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 184 value = -8 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 203 value = -8 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 217 value = -8 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 8 value = -4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 94 value = -4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 97 value = -4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 106 value = -4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 150 value = -4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 183 value = -4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 189 value = -4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 195 value = -4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 204 value = -4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 211 value = -4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 212 value = -4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 216 value = -4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 9 value = -4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 117 value = -4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 86 value = -3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 87 value = -3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 89 value = -3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 90 value = -3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 91 value = -3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 104 value = -3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 105 value = -3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 113 value = -3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 135 value = -3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 191 value = -3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 208 value = -3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 209 value = -3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 210 value = -3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 288 value = -3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 155 value = -2 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 156 value = -2 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 196 value = -2 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 5 value = -1 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 114 value = -1 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 182 value = -1 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 267 value = -1 }
	} 
} 

event = { 
	country = USA
	id = 58011
	random = no 
	style = 0 

name = "A call to arms" 
desc = "With the United States now at war, the President has called on all 
citizens to rally to the support of their country.  Congress has therefore 
authorised a draft on all men of military age."

	trigger = {
		atwar = yes
		}

	date = { day = 3 month = january year = 1914 } 
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1925 }

action_a = { 
	name = "To arms!" 
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 112 value = 12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 116 value = 12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 121 value = 12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 122 value = 12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 124 value = 12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 125 value = 12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 129 value = 12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 177 value = 12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 181 value = 12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 187 value = 12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 188 value = 12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 192 value = 12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 193 value = 12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 194 value = 12 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 92 value = 8 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 158 value = 8 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 178 value = 8 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 184 value = 8 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 203 value = 8 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 217 value = 8 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 8 value = 4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 94 value = 4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 97 value = 4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 106 value = 4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 150 value = 4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 183 value = 4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 189 value = 4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 195 value = 4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 204 value = 4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 211 value = 4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 212 value = 4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 216 value = 4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 9 value = 4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 117 value = 4 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 86 value = 3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 87 value = 3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 89 value = 3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 90 value = 3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 91 value = 3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 104 value = 3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 105 value = 3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 113 value = 3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 135 value = 3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 191 value = 3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 208 value = 3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 209 value = 3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 210 value = 3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 288 value = 3 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 155 value = 2 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 156 value = 2 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 196 value = 2 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 5 value = 1 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 114 value = 1 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 182 value = 1 }
	command = { type = province_manpower which = 267 value = 1 }
	} 
}

Without this event, the USA has 391 manpower, giving them +39.1 per month - enough for 30+ new INF divisions per year.

The event reduces manpower to 67, or +6.7 per month - enough for five new divisions per year. That should give them 20-25 divisions in mid-1917 if they go all-out, which seems reasonable. (They had 8 regular and 17 National Guard divisions in reality).

I reduced each province's manpower by 80%, rounding down.

Allenby · Jun 8, 2004

Excellent!

Terrific show, Stephen.

ptan54 · Jul 21, 2004

Seems Japan's MP is too impressive.

They get 46.4 per month - USA gets 39.1, Britain 40, Germany 40......

We should remove Japan's cores on the Asian continent and Taiwan, as well as slash the MP by quite a bit - I'd say to about 20 ish per month.

Hopefully this will also solve the Japanese divisions march to Berlin situation.

Shadow Knight · Jul 21, 2004

ptan54 said:
Seems Japan's MP is too impressive.

They get 46.4 per month - USA gets 39.1, Britain 40, Germany 40......

We should remove Japan's cores on the Asian continent and Taiwan, as well as slash the MP by quite a bit - I'd say to about 20 ish per month.

Hopefully this will also solve the Japanese divisions march to Berlin situation.

Start off with cutting the cores in mainland asia, and if that doesn't help start cutting the MP. However keep track of what you cut, and post it if you could.

Allenby · Jul 22, 2004

Removed Formosa and the Korean peninsula with the exception of Dalian province as core territory. Japan's monthly MP appeared to be approximately 40.

ptan54 · Jul 22, 2004

That's a good start, and if Japan loses the war they should get Dalian and Qingdao removed also.

Incidentally there's an event that has Japan give Qingdao back to China - that event should also remove the peninsula as a core.

40 per month is still too high - higher than USA's 39.1 and Britain's 20 ish without mass combat.

Shadow Knight · Jul 22, 2004

ptan54 said:
That's a good start, and if Japan loses the war they should get Dalian and Qingdao removed also.

Incidentally there's an event that has Japan give Qingdao back to China - that event should also remove the peninsula as a core.

40 per month is still too high - higher than USA's 39.1 and Britain's 20 ish without mass combat.

Yes 40 is to high, this is what it should be:

Japanese Empire 24.8 [Using 5*10^-7 for all territories including colonies.]
Japan & Korea 23.4
Taiwan 1.4/0.3

I do not know how they got ~40 MP. So patch lower the total Japanese monthly MP to around 24.8 (that includes Korea and Taiwan).

ptan54 · Jul 22, 2004

Slashing each of the home island provinces by half ought to do the trick.

Shadow Knight · Jul 23, 2004

ptan54 said:
Slashing each of the home island provinces by half ought to do the trick.

Just to make sure Japan doesn't have a leader that is giving them extra MP are they? That could be why it jumped up to 40.

Allenby · Jul 23, 2004

Shadow Knight said:
Just to make sure Japan doesn't have a leader that is giving them extra MP are they? That could be why it jumped up to 40.

Code:

28007;Chief of Staff;Yukihiko Kusunose;NA;PA;School of Mass Combat;Very High;unknown;x

General Kusunose is there from the start.

ptan54 · Jul 23, 2004

Change him to infantry proponent then.

I'm not aware of mass conscription plans enacted in Japan back then, nor would it have been easy to implement before the era of army dominance.

Allenby · Jul 23, 2004

Infantry Proponent is an Armament Minister trait.

School of Psychology will suffice.

Allenby · Oct 11, 2004

There is a reason why I have resurrected this old thread.

Namely, I have noticed that the Germans have the ability to build upward of 700 divisions after 1918 or so. It seems that other countries also seem to build ridiculously large armies and I wonder whether something ought to be done to remedy what could be argued as a slightly unrealistic situation.

Do nothing?

Restrict province manpower after a certain time?

Or, have countries change their AIs after a certain point so that they build less units, and put more into other areas except production? (if possible)

StephenT · Oct 11, 2004

I have a suspicion that it's because there isn't all that much else to spend IC on. It's very rare to see any aircraft or tanks at all being used by the AI - as opposed to standard HoI.

If you have 36 IC spare, in basic HoI you could build an INF (6), a fighter (12) and a tank (18). In TGW, all you can buy is six INF...

Maybe the IC cost of all infantry-type units should be doubled?

Shadow Knight · Oct 11, 2004

Its worth a try. Also it might be worthwhile to look at a slight increase in the other infantry unit types.

ptan54 · Oct 12, 2004

Having the AI NOT building units wouldnt be a good idea.........humans could exploit this and have a load of crack troops in queue, then deploy them as soon as the "new" AI comes into play, and make a brilliant breakthrough.

Reducing province MP would be the way to go.

StephenT · Oct 12, 2004

ptan54 said:
Reducing province MP would be the way to go.

On the other hand, increasing the cost (MP or IC) of a unit in its unit.txt file would be far quicker and easier than changing the values for 1500 provinces...

Also easier to change it back if it doesn't help.

ptan54 · Oct 12, 2004

Can do, and that'll affect the entire course of the war. I thought Allenby only wanted an MP slash in the later years?

StephenT · Oct 13, 2004

Surely it's not that Germany suddenly builds 300 more divisions in the late war, but that they keep on building 20 a month (or whatever) every single month, and they all add up?

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