Sorry RP and Trav, I've just spent 26 hours in a car in the last 3 days... just a bit taxing. But, I will try to make all of the session tomorrow, might be tough.
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I can imagine dude, it seems our civ game is though to start up anyways.
On a side note I retired from Anarchy Online. 4 days cold-turkey already and the cold sweat and shivers from not getting any have already stopped.
Finally Free! Woohoo!
On a side note I retired from Anarchy Online. 4 days cold-turkey already and the cold sweat and shivers from not getting any have already stopped.
Finally Free! Woohoo!
Weekly Game Update
We played at Slow for most of the game with 9 players. We played from September 1 1220 to February 19 1229.
The players this session:
We had 5 game stops. I’ll list the causes for each stop:
Slow speed and frequent stops, wasn’t our best game. Germany is being partitioned. The Horde has arrived but not that scary... yet. Post AAR’s folks.
Open realms:
Traveler
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We played at Slow for most of the game with 9 players. We played from September 1 1220 to February 19 1229.
The players this session:
- KoM - King of Norway
- Traveler - King of Naples
- Prime - Duke of Flanders
- Dominus - King of England
- Sterk - King of Poland
- Lurken - King of Castille
- cheech - King of France
- Aladar - King of Jerusalem
- Ear - King of Hungary
- Blackeye - Emperor of Byzantium
We had 5 game stops. I’ll list the causes for each stop:
- Prime CTD, not sure why
- Lurken, KoM, Dom CTD, not sure why
- Stopped to p/u Aladar
- Ear CTD while loading
- Everyone CTD shortly after Golden Horde arrived
- Host CTD, not sure why
- Aladar CTD, not sure why
- Host CTD, was trying to save, but had chat open and also had pop-ups.
- called it a day after that
Slow speed and frequent stops, wasn’t our best game. Germany is being partitioned. The Horde has arrived but not that scary... yet. Post AAR’s folks.
Open realms:
- none that I can think of, we will need subs though
Traveler
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I know it's early to be thinking about the EU2 conversion yet, but it's best to have these things out of the way. Now, as you may have observed in my thread about the converter, there are some issues with it, and according to MrT it is unlikely that they will be fixed. So perhaps we should think about how we are going to help it out.
First, and absolutely essential : Centralisation. The converter, as it stands, gives every nation Central 10 from the start; this is just, plain, stupid. If everybody got 0 Central, that would be reasonable; but 10? Um, no. That's, like, France under Nappy or Louis XIV. No kingdom in 1419 even approaches it, not even Byz. So I suggest we edit everybody's Central to 0; or we could do it according to the laws, as I suggested in the first post of the thread I linked. But 0 is simpler.
Second, the other sliders. Now, it's just possible I'll have the time to write a program that would collate info for us and tell us where the sliders should be set, if we go with the guidelines in the linked thread (which are by all means up for discussion), but if not, I think they should just be left as they are. The Centralisation is the critical one.
Third, events. Now, if it comes to it, I'm inclined to agree with cheech that EU2 without events is a little bland; on the other hand, some of them do rely a bit on certain nations existing. So maybe we could convert tags thusly :
I believe there is a kingdom of Italy in the AGCEEP, with some events attached to it, and likewise the AGCEEP is really necessary if we want events for Byz and KoJ. (Short of converting them to Ottomans and Mamelukes, or silliness like that.) Hungary doesn't get many events after the historical annexation, either, hence my suggestion of making them the Big White Blob. The Knights do have a bunch of events, though possibly a lot of them rely on the Ottomans and Mamelukes existing; similar objections might apply for KoJ. But I really don't know what to do about this. A unified Scandinavia is bad enough, but we've really torn the Middle East a new one. (And of course, the Lithuanian Unification is a bit redundant at the moment.)
Please tell me your thoughts.
First, and absolutely essential : Centralisation. The converter, as it stands, gives every nation Central 10 from the start; this is just, plain, stupid. If everybody got 0 Central, that would be reasonable; but 10? Um, no. That's, like, France under Nappy or Louis XIV. No kingdom in 1419 even approaches it, not even Byz. So I suggest we edit everybody's Central to 0; or we could do it according to the laws, as I suggested in the first post of the thread I linked. But 0 is simpler.
Second, the other sliders. Now, it's just possible I'll have the time to write a program that would collate info for us and tell us where the sliders should be set, if we go with the guidelines in the linked thread (which are by all means up for discussion), but if not, I think they should just be left as they are. The Centralisation is the critical one.
Third, events. Now, if it comes to it, I'm inclined to agree with cheech that EU2 without events is a little bland; on the other hand, some of them do rely a bit on certain nations existing. So maybe we could convert tags thusly :
Code:
CK kingdom EU2 nation
Norway Denmark or Sweden
England England
Poland Poland
France France
Byz Byz
Flanders Holland
Spain Aragon, Castille, or Spain
Those are the easy ones...
Jerusalem Knights of Rhodes? Kingdom of Jerusalem?
Naples Venice? Italy?
Hungary Hungary? Austria?I believe there is a kingdom of Italy in the AGCEEP, with some events attached to it, and likewise the AGCEEP is really necessary if we want events for Byz and KoJ. (Short of converting them to Ottomans and Mamelukes, or silliness like that.) Hungary doesn't get many events after the historical annexation, either, hence my suggestion of making them the Big White Blob. The Knights do have a bunch of events, though possibly a lot of them rely on the Ottomans and Mamelukes existing; similar objections might apply for KoJ. But I really don't know what to do about this. A unified Scandinavia is bad enough, but we've really torn the Middle East a new one. (And of course, the Lithuanian Unification is a bit redundant at the moment.)
Please tell me your thoughts.
Another problem is manpower. If you convert the game, loads of northern provinses have high manpower of 5,0+ - giving Denmark an initial Manpowerpool of 200+.
My provinses all have 0,minor in manpower, giving Kingdom of Jerusalem a combined manpower of 16.
My provinses all have 0,minor in manpower, giving Kingdom of Jerusalem a combined manpower of 16.
I would suggest both random leaders and historical ones. THis would make it not so mad for jews and venicians. Actually venice has pretty good leaders ealry on iirr. Flanders actually gets the best explorer in the game but im sure hed prefer holland tag.
Hungary really wants to be austria imo.
Hungary really wants to be austria imo.
The 15 Aug beta seems a bit unstable, even more then the beta we are using. Maybe we should deviate from our rule to use the mosr recent beta in this case?
The same thought did occur to me. The June 3 beta works well; why give ourselves extra problems? The only thing that really affects us would seem to be the cultural conversion issue, and I think we can live with that for another patch or two.
About the manpower, that's going to be a bit tricky to convert, but two things occur to me : First, it may be a temporary problem because my current king is so incredibly good. His adjusted Martial stat is somewhere in the low thirties, IIRC, giving Denmark a lot more manpower than it should have from its wealth alone. Once the UberBastard genes get a bit thinned out, we might see Denmark returning to more historical levels. Second, what cultures was KoJ getting in the conversion? If you are Polish-Catholic while your subjects are Arab-Moslem, EU2 will totally downsize your manpower pool. So it may not be the conversion at fault here.
About the manpower, that's going to be a bit tricky to convert, but two things occur to me : First, it may be a temporary problem because my current king is so incredibly good. His adjusted Martial stat is somewhere in the low thirties, IIRC, giving Denmark a lot more manpower than it should have from its wealth alone. Once the UberBastard genes get a bit thinned out, we might see Denmark returning to more historical levels. Second, what cultures was KoJ getting in the conversion? If you are Polish-Catholic while your subjects are Arab-Moslem, EU2 will totally downsize your manpower pool. So it may not be the conversion at fault here.
Hey ya'll,
Nice topic, talking about the conversion now isn’t a bad idea. We can really iron out the details as we go. As far as the current game I have posted the newest MAP.
I think a good country for a new player would be Germany. If there is an interested player out there, I think they could have a pretty decent realm. I would give up my claims for Bavaria to ensure a strong Germany.
Traveler
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Nice topic, talking about the conversion now isn’t a bad idea. We can really iron out the details as we go. As far as the current game I have posted the newest MAP.
I think a good country for a new player would be Germany. If there is an interested player out there, I think they could have a pretty decent realm. I would give up my claims for Bavaria to ensure a strong Germany.
Traveler
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Is there anything we can do about my King of North Africa tag? Since the last patch my main lands have been in constant revolts. It is no longer fun to have Brugge revolt because it it too far away.
I took the King of NA title before that patch and would have just stayed Duke if I had known this would happen.
I do not want to spend the rest of the CK game in revolt. When I get the "give in to demands" event and do so, usually the province re-revolts in a few months.
edit: After looking at the map - is Jerusalem in a BB-spiral?
I took the King of NA title before that patch and would have just stayed Duke if I had known this would happen.
I do not want to spend the rest of the CK game in revolt. When I get the "give in to demands" event and do so, usually the province re-revolts in a few months.
edit: After looking at the map - is Jerusalem in a BB-spiral?
I made a little mistake against an muslim land (i had rights but it was occupied by another) by claiming it 2 provinses. Gave me -5000 prestige. Bad thing i found out, as all my vassel went to minus 3-5% each month.
So i decided to try and get the king killed, so far with very little success. He has be bad wounded and had 2 illnesses for the last 3 years and this he is alive.
So i'm currently taking out all the provinses that leave the realm, and as soon as that is done i'll promote 5-10 siblings for all the duke titles. That should ensure a piast at power rather that 10 different polish/arab dukes that can't inherit me. This had to be done at some point anyway, as when i converted it to EU2 i would end up with 6 vassels instead.
So i decided to try and get the king killed, so far with very little success. He has be bad wounded and had 2 illnesses for the last 3 years and this he is alive.
So i'm currently taking out all the provinses that leave the realm, and as soon as that is done i'll promote 5-10 siblings for all the duke titles. That should ensure a piast at power rather that 10 different polish/arab dukes that can't inherit me. This had to be done at some point anyway, as when i converted it to EU2 i would end up with 6 vassels instead.
Hmm. Maybe we shouldn't give up on the newest patch yet; it seems they found the crashbug, or at any rate, a crashbug.
RP, what do you suggest we do? I am not in favour of adding in any claims by edit, but maybe we could edit out your King title and give you the titles of your current Dukes? I'm not quite happy with that edit either, but it is a little annoying that you should suffer for a change in patch rules.
RP, what do you suggest we do? I am not in favour of adding in any claims by edit, but maybe we could edit out your King title and give you the titles of your current Dukes? I'm not quite happy with that edit either, but it is a little annoying that you should suffer for a change in patch rules.
I say we take Burgandy away from Germany and give it to RP... That would be my solution anyway... Germany doesn't need the title and there is no way RP could claim enough to claim the title...
I would love to join the game, but I'm not quite sure I'm comfortable enough with CK to be able to last alongside veterans of any skill.Traveler said:
What I AM comfortable with, however, is EU2, and I'd like to ask if, when this get to that point, I could take the helm of a nation, maybe outside of Europe that I could do something with. Japan or China, perhaps.
Sure, come EUII, I think it would be more fun with an non-european country. Come back then in the future.
Woodtopian said:
Well, we're not exactly powergamers. We do expand a lot, but I feel like any of us would give a few things up to ensure a newbie is not slaughtered. However, if you do only play in EU2, you could also take a Muslim nation in Europe, like the Seljuks.
I think we are most of us inclined to be rather considerate of actual humans; it's only the AI that gets hammered on a regular basis. There haven't been that many player-on-player wars - though the time is coming when that will change - and they've all tended to end in the exchange of one or two provinces.
Of course, come EU2, we will (I think) be glad of someone to take the outside powers and prevent the game from becoming a total massacre of the innocents. A powerful Mughal Empire, a strong Japan, and maybe a China or at least Dai-Viet, would add a lot to the game.
Of course, come EU2, we will (I think) be glad of someone to take the outside powers and prevent the game from becoming a total massacre of the innocents. A powerful Mughal Empire, a strong Japan, and maybe a China or at least Dai-Viet, would add a lot to the game.
Yes, the lack of player wars shall soon diminish. I'm sensing a war in the north, as Denmark is starting to seriously rival Poland and simply dwarf Flanders. This would mean a war started by Denmark to either eliminate Flanders as a potential enemy completely or take Poland down a few notches.
Now, I'm hoping that, whoever wins in the many wars that are to come, province exchanges are kept low in each war. I mean, a rule for it would be very, very bad, but in most cases I believe it would be better to have limited wars. Just my opinion.
Now, I'm hoping that, whoever wins in the many wars that are to come, province exchanges are kept low in each war. I mean, a rule for it would be very, very bad, but in most cases I believe it would be better to have limited wars. Just my opinion.
CK pretty much limits your wars anyway, just from the BB death-spiral and the need for claims. I'm pretty much at my BB limit right now; one bad trait could push me into vassal trouble. So Flanders is safe from me; which is in all honesty rather unfortunate, because this level of strength isn't going to last forever. It's an artifact of having a king whose stats (unadjusted) total 60. (Yes, sixty! Thank you, St Olav.) At any rate, I need to lie low for a while and build my piety. But I wouldn't crush Flanders in any case; that would just lead Poland, England, and perhaps France to combine against me. There may come a time when I discuss with RP whether our border should be the Elbe or the Weser; but there is certainly no question of destroying Flanders as a viable power in the North Sea.
Trav, how do you make those maps that cover the whole game area? My outmost zoom doesn't do anywhere near as much.
Incidentally, RP, is it only Brugge that is giving you rebel trouble, or other parts of your demesne too? If it was just the one province, maybe you could give it to a vassal and avoid the problem?
Trav, how do you make those maps that cover the whole game area? My outmost zoom doesn't do anywhere near as much.
Incidentally, RP, is it only Brugge that is giving you rebel trouble, or other parts of your demesne too? If it was just the one province, maybe you could give it to a vassal and avoid the problem?