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oowie_pazoowie said:Oh - so if this is a march through time, what happens to Germany in EU2/VICTORIA?
Germany isn't anymore, but if it were it would be converted as any other realm in CK.
oowie_pazoowie said:
We haven't quite decided how to deal with EU2s historical events yet. One suggestion is to simply ignore them completely; another, to take the approximate equivalents so that Norway, for example, gets Danish or Swedish events and leaders, and so on. The problem is, of course, that the setup after conversion is going to be totally different from what the events assume, so I think a lot of them might just not fire. If you have any ideas, I am sure we would all be glad to hear them; also, people, we need to make some decisions on this matter - the thirteenth century draws near its end.
On a more unfortunate subject, the phone company is now telling me that they cannot find my apartment in their files. Total incompetents! So I fear it looks bad for yet another week. I hope the AI doesn't DOW anyone.
Germany has no historical events in EU2, as it didn't even exist at any point from 1419-1819. Bohemia, on the other hand, does have a few events/leader (but none after 1528 or so). Basically, I think we should either find a way to set up historical events for nations that wouldn't have any past certain early dates (Hungary, Byzantium, Burgundy, Italy, Norway, Bohemia). Obviously one solution is what KOM said above:
Norway-->Denmark or Sweden
Burgundy-->Netherlands (or start them as Burgundy and then later change to Holland)
Italy-->Venice(?)
Bohemia-->Austria or Bavaria
Hungary-->Hungary or Austria
Byzantium-->Ottoman Empire
The biggest problem with this is Byzantium switching to OE, as if we kept it Orthodox it would massively conflict with historical events. However, if we switch it to Muslim, all the lands it rules will be the wrong religion (Orthodox). These are big problems here.
Alternatively, we could import historical events from AGC-EEP, Abberation, and other projects (maybe make a few of our own) for nations like Byzantium, Italy, and Hungary (nations that have no clear country to change to).
Norway-->Denmark or Sweden
Burgundy-->Netherlands (or start them as Burgundy and then later change to Holland)
Italy-->Venice(?)
Bohemia-->Austria or Bavaria
Hungary-->Hungary or Austria
Byzantium-->Ottoman Empire
The biggest problem with this is Byzantium switching to OE, as if we kept it Orthodox it would massively conflict with historical events. However, if we switch it to Muslim, all the lands it rules will be the wrong religion (Orthodox). These are big problems here.
Alternatively, we could import historical events from AGC-EEP, Abberation, and other projects (maybe make a few of our own) for nations like Byzantium, Italy, and Hungary (nations that have no clear country to change to).
Even in AGC/EEP, Byz will give trouble, because the events assume that it starts as a one-province minor. There is really not much point in events dealing with Ottoman intrigues if the Ottos don't exist! And the event sequence that either give it Turkish state culture or make Anatolia Greek again, well, there's not much point when Anatolia is greek in the first place. The only interesting one, really, is the good empress / bad emperor / civil war sequence.
i wouldnt change burgundy to holland/neth, because the burgundians didnt achieved their own kingdom in reality...but in our they did...history is changed, so i wouldnt appreciate just putting the neth-events in place
on the other side i know: rp needs some events for flavor...
on the other side i know: rp needs some events for flavor...
I think switching to the Netherlands in 1568 would be nice, as the last Burgundy event must be somewhere in the 1400's.
Having no experience with EUII, nor a clue on what AGC/EEP is, I'll let the decision to you. I guess I'll have to start running some practice games if I want my beloved Burgundy to last in EU2 - you guys all seem to be veterans.
Having no experience with EUII, nor a clue on what AGC/EEP is, I'll let the decision to you. I guess I'll have to start running some practice games if I want my beloved Burgundy to last in EU2 - you guys all seem to be veterans.
I might be late, I have a paper I have to write today and the subject we is supposed to write about is iffy at best. Just keep one ICQ open so I can join in.
cheech said:maybe ill actually be able to beat you then when we switch
Maybe that's why I always white peace you - In the hope you'll do the same in EU2...
I have started a number of EU2 games and got bored within 20 years. There is nothing to manage or build and it seems like a "hands off" game to me.
Having played it little, I find it like CK without dynasties or Vicky without industry. In an, for me, uninteresting period of time (besides pirates of course). As most of you see it as the best P'dox game, I should give it a chance though.
But the one time I played it online with KoM, I fell asleep behind my pc, but maybe that had to do with the wine and weed too.
EU is the best game in world IMO.
sounds like you havnt given it a chance. I see how after CK it can seem kinda empty but in mp terms especially it is a work of art.
1 - warfare is spot on. in ck basicallly mp, and to some extent cash, is all that matters. In EU a small nation like prussia can defeat a large nation like russia or france like in rl. The skill and tactics involved is amazing. There are legendery players in the community who have done amazing things purely on skill. I remember damo as OE defeating russia, austria, spain and france around 1600. A truley epic feat.
2 - empire building - i actually only play land nations now but the colonising system is rather good.
3 - stab cost - the stability system in eu is a work of genius. Expanding too much and in the wrong areas makes the cost of increasing stability harder and harder. This creates a game which isnt just about size. I think its the only strategy game ive played where size isnt everything.
holland is a great one too. I once played a holland with only 6 provs in europe but manged to defeat an austrian- france coalition. They are one of the strongest nations in the game sue to their trade.
sounds like you havnt given it a chance. I see how after CK it can seem kinda empty but in mp terms especially it is a work of art.
1 - warfare is spot on. in ck basicallly mp, and to some extent cash, is all that matters. In EU a small nation like prussia can defeat a large nation like russia or france like in rl. The skill and tactics involved is amazing. There are legendery players in the community who have done amazing things purely on skill. I remember damo as OE defeating russia, austria, spain and france around 1600. A truley epic feat.
2 - empire building - i actually only play land nations now but the colonising system is rather good.
3 - stab cost - the stability system in eu is a work of genius. Expanding too much and in the wrong areas makes the cost of increasing stability harder and harder. This creates a game which isnt just about size. I think its the only strategy game ive played where size isnt everything.
holland is a great one too. I once played a holland with only 6 provs in europe but manged to defeat an austrian- france coalition. They are one of the strongest nations in the game sue to their trade.
That session was cursed I tell you, CURSED!
I hope that we have better luck next time. And a training EU2 game wouldn't harm.
I hope that we have better luck next time. And a training EU2 game wouldn't harm.
i see you guys are discussing the move to EU2 already (a bit early dontcha think, considering your only in 1283...). Depending on when you get to the EU2 side of things, i might be able to jump in at that point. I don't notice your byzantium player posting much, i'd be interested in playing a nation like Byz, more on the periphery of things as it were.
*Sobs* Trav, please, please, please update the map! Since people aren't writing AARs (scowls) I can't get my Norway fix any other way.
Now, it is at least possible that I'll have my net access back this weekend, but after the recent disappointments I am not very optimistic anymore. I'm supposed to get my phone on Thursday, anyway.
Now, it is at least possible that I'll have my net access back this weekend, but after the recent disappointments I am not very optimistic anymore. I'm supposed to get my phone on Thursday, anyway.