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Indeed, that would alter the equation. I believe I can put together a coalition to handle even that, though. 
It will be without Iberia for one thing. Since it is AI at the moment and at war versus Italy.King of Men said:Indeed, that would alter the equation. I believe I can put together a coalition to handle even that, though.
BTW, I need a sub for Iberia. bin?
Im not sure, Lurken, Im only today taking the PC to service.
I could play (and probably host) with my work PC - 2x P4ht 3/1/64/4up/2down, but I could aswell go offline for the weekend.
I'll get some clearance till 2moro.
I could play (and probably host) with my work PC - 2x P4ht 3/1/64/4up/2down, but I could aswell go offline for the weekend.
I'll get some clearance till 2moro.
It's not hard to think of it anyway, there are only one country which would be free to help you right now and 1 more which could help if certain conditions are met..
binTravkin said:It's not hard to think of it anyway, there are only one country which would be free to help you right now and 1 more which could help if certain conditions are met..
a.k.a. England or Hungary, but possibly Italy.
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But you can find out on Saturday by DOWing me.
But you can find out on Saturday by DOWing me.
Now, this is completely hypothetical, you will understand. But what if, just for the sake of argument, I discovered that a certain powerful enemy of Norway had, as second in line to his throne, someone of a different dynasty? I could, if I were disgustingly evil and my plague-ridden King's intrigue was higher than 4, make two quick assassinations and completely, utterly, and totally destroy my human enemy, by relegating him to a duchy. Granted, it would probably be the most powerful duchy in his kingdom, so if his law were elective, he'd recover eventually. But he could very easily lose a war in the meanwhile.
So, should we have a rule against taking advantage of such situations? For myself, I would say caveat rex; it's up to each dynasty to ensure a safe succession. But it is a point on which reasonable men might differ. And it is certainly true that taking advantage of such a thing, completely out of the blue in the middle of a war, might conceivably be considered just a minim gamey. Not that it matters since my King is an honourable man with Intrigue 4 and the plague. But, you know, someone less honourable than him might find such a situation interesting.
So, should we have a rule against taking advantage of such situations? For myself, I would say caveat rex; it's up to each dynasty to ensure a safe succession. But it is a point on which reasonable men might differ. And it is certainly true that taking advantage of such a thing, completely out of the blue in the middle of a war, might conceivably be considered just a minim gamey. Not that it matters since my King is an honourable man with Intrigue 4 and the plague. But, you know, someone less honourable than him might find such a situation interesting.
Good point KoM, I would go by caveat Rex, it is up to us to ensure the lines of inheritance of our kingdoms.
One should be able to take advantage of the situation in all but following cases:
- The human player is not in place (AI is playing it) - because AI does not retaliate intelligently, nor it tries to switch laws in the last moment.
- The human player has just taken over his country from AI and the last AI-king has not yet died.*
* - basically, you must give chance to breed a heir, if you don't give it, what's the use to let that personplay the country anyway.
- The human player is not in place (AI is playing it) - because AI does not retaliate intelligently, nor it tries to switch laws in the last moment.
- The human player has just taken over his country from AI and the last AI-king has not yet died.*
* - basically, you must give chance to breed a heir, if you don't give it, what's the use to let that personplay the country anyway.
- Italy is already at war with Poland, besides pretty busy in it's own wars, so that's out.
- England could find itself in jeopardy if Burgundy decides to help out Poland, besides latest valuable allegiance with Burgundy would be lost.
So, who's left?
Why did Cyrus quit?
And, I could play Jerusalem once I get my PC online again, but only till the end of CK era, then you should search for new KoJ player (I think there shouldn't be much of a problem).
I want to play a nation outside Europe, to put up fight against European superpowers, as I already said (and hope it was agreed), I would like to play China.
Once I get my PC, I will check out other non-europeans like Mali, Ethiopia/Nubia/Somalia, Vyjanagar/Hyderabad, Timurids->Mughals, Japan for their feasibility as an MP nation.
I am already thinking up headlines of a Timurid AAR on the topic, at least on MyMap+AGCEEP it's a very fun country to play (it eventually gets a chance to convert to orthodox techgroup which is huge for it's tech).
Japan is cumbersome due to Onin war and some rebellions in 15th-16th century, but then in early 17th century it gets a chance to convert to catholicism, which can be then futhered by conversion to either counterreformation - for increased morale and severely heightened chances vs China, or protestantism/reformation which yields surplus merchants and a little increase in techspeed.
I will try to make an AAR about Japan too, if I have enough time.
Mali is also big from the beginning in AGCEEP+MyMAP (~20 provinces) and can triple it's size before Europeans can do anything about it. It has muslim techgroup and considerable riches, which can result in significant tech advancement.
I will most probably play out the other nations mentioned and post my sightings, also I will probably post an AAR about China, again, everything depends on time issues.
I just don't think that European countries going rampant and eating everything they can is fun, therefore I want to seek out feasible-for-mp ROTW ones and prove they can achieve something (I guess if I have good success in SP, better players than me should have good success in MP).
binTravkin said:
He thought that he was to weak and small to do anything. Which could be true, however KoJ isn't small and isn't lightweight. Handled correctly it is powerful.
Ahh, so.
Well, let me inroduce you with my knowledge of Cyrus.
He seems to be fanatic of Persia.
If he has no chance to get Persia, he quits, that's it.
AFAIK he was actually in good position to smack Byzm having 120k troops and facing far less forces of Italy and Byzantium while Italy is busy with it's own defensive wars, but he wasted quite a stack (40k IIRC) for useless attack without checking the troop-strenght in the target province, namely, the famous 90k Veneto of Traveler.
Well, let me inroduce you with my knowledge of Cyrus.
He seems to be fanatic of Persia.
If he has no chance to get Persia, he quits, that's it.
AFAIK he was actually in good position to smack Byzm having 120k troops and facing far less forces of Italy and Byzantium while Italy is busy with it's own defensive wars, but he wasted quite a stack (40k IIRC) for useless attack without checking the troop-strenght in the target province, namely, the famous 90k Veneto of Traveler.
KoJ, I think, is in an analogous position to Norway and England : A flank state whose central neighbours are more powerful, but against which it can balance by playing them one against the other and being the decisive factor in their internecine wars. And in EU2, being a flank power with easy access to the rest of the world will be a major advantage. I wonder if Lotus might come back to play it?
bin, by all means, play China. a human Power in Asia to slow us down a little is an excellent thing. So meanwhile, then, we're treating you as a sort of floating sub? (If you can get your PC back, that is.) I note that next week Lurken is gone, so if you're subbing, that would perhaps be the better option.
bin, by all means, play China. a human Power in Asia to slow us down a little is an excellent thing. So meanwhile, then, we're treating you as a sort of floating sub? (If you can get your PC back, that is.) I note that next week Lurken is gone, so if you're subbing, that would perhaps be the better option.
I thought he's gone this week - in 3 days..
Im a floating sub, yes, having a good grip on the situation I can play any country.
My PC will be taken to service only today (hopefully) which means returning by friday or on next week.
I might be playing (I could even host if there's need and no firewall issues - my work PC is 2xP4ht 3G/1G/64M one) from my work PC, but not sure yet.
Did you also read this?
Im a floating sub, yes, having a good grip on the situation I can play any country.
My PC will be taken to service only today (hopefully) which means returning by friday or on next week.
I might be playing (I could even host if there's need and no firewall issues - my work PC is 2xP4ht 3G/1G/64M one) from my work PC, but not sure yet.
Did you also read this?
Was my answer on your assasination legitimacy question.
binTravkin said:I thought he's gone this week - in 3 days..
I am gone this week. Nothing else have I said.
Lurken said:
Er, yes; I meant, next session, which occurs this week. Minor bobble of language.
bin, your proposed limits on assassination sound eminently reasonable to me.
Unfortunately I will be gone too..
My PC is now almost okay (I changed the configuration - the buggers at shop don't even know how to assemble PC ), but a relative of mine is undergoing medical treatment and the only time I can go see her is saturday..
My PC is now almost okay (I changed the configuration - the buggers at shop don't even know how to assemble PC
), but a relative of mine is undergoing medical treatment and the only time I can go see her is saturday..
ill be leaving the game for a number of reasons. Not least what happened when i was AI before.
best of luck with everything
best of luck with everything