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There should be an option to mend all the schisms that have happened within both Abrahamic faiths. This is because of the history of both sections which is as follows.

At the time of Yeshua's ministry, Judaism was divided into four main sects. They were Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, and Netzirs. Pharisees were scholars, scribes, and teachers that operated under the Sadducees. The Sadducees were the temple priests and in charge of everything regarding the faith. Essenes were desert dwellers that believed that the entire temple system was corrupt and that it all needed to be redone. Finally, we have Netzirs who were the first followers of Yeshua. They were all Torah observant Jews that accepted that Yeshua was the messiah.

After the temple was destroyed in 70 AD, the Sadducees and Pharisees combined to form modern Rabbinic Judaism. Essenes just disappeared. Netzirs were still very much a part of Jewish life. They worshiped in the synagogues and maintained their Jewish identity. Another distinction between Netzirs was that they rejected oral law and maintained written law only.

I'm counting Samaritans not as a sect, but a different branch. They're objection to mainstream Judaism is over the decision to have Jerusalem as the site that Yahweh directed for his temple over Mt. Tabor.

Netzirs were in charge of the church founded by Yeshua and were the primary see for it. It wasn't until 90 AD when Ignatius the Bishop of Antioch separated the Gentiles off from the Church of Jerusalem to form what we now call Christianity. The split became permanent for Netzirs between Rabbinic and Christianity due to the Bar Kokhba Revolt of 132-135 AD. Netzirs supported the revolt until a rabbi declared Bar Kokhba the messiah. Since the messiah already came in the form of Yeshua this was blasphemy to them. They were kicked out of the synagogues and Jewish towns. At the same time, Rome passed an edict that a person can be either a Christian or a Jew. Meaning that Netzirs had to stop being Torah observant and embrace Gentile ways or be executed due to the war.

CK3 should take this history into account and have it to where Judaism, Christianity, and Netzirs being able to mend the schism between the three branches. This is an excellent page that details all of the various sects of Christianity and Judaism. It contains both books by Salamis, a 4th century Catholic priest, that catalogued all the sects around at that time and why the Catholic church considered them to be heretical.

Another excellent book is Nazarene Acts of the Apostles by I Clement. He was a Roman citizen and member of the royal family that studied under Peter. He records many of the interactions that Peter had with others as recorded in Acts.

I would like to ask that there be no trolling in this thread. If you have a disagreement with anything posit your sources that disputes these primary sources.
 
You forgot the important parts: Under what circumstances do you think the split between Judaism and Christianity should be mended? What mechanics should it have gameplay-wise?
 
You forgot the important parts: Under what circumstances do you think the split between Judaism and Christianity should be mended? What mechanics should it have gameplay-wise?

The circumstances should be the same as they are for mending the schism between Catholicism and Orthodox in CK2. You have the right provinces necessary to effect the change i.e. the five sees that were historically associated with all of the groups I mentioned.

The effect is the same as what the current CK2 mending of the schism is. The religion that mends the schism becomes the dominate one and all the rest become heresies.
 
The circumstances should be the same as they are for mending the schism between Catholicism and Orthodox in CK2. You have the right provinces necessary to effect the change i.e. the five sees that were historically associated with all of the groups I mentioned.

The effect is the same as what the current CK2 mending of the schism is. The religion that mends the schism becomes the dominate one and all the rest become heresies.

So any successful Catholic crusade for Jerusalem suddenly results in mass Jewish desire to proclaim Jesus as the Messiah, or what? Sounds a bit excessive to me.
 
No, I did not discuss any mechanics. I discussed the history of the church and Judaism. You brought in the mechanics.

Well...

There should be an option to mend all the schisms that have happened within both Abrahamic faiths.

If that's not a mechanic proposal, I don't know what is.

But regardless, we're talking about a game here. You can't have things in the game without some sort of mechanical treatment, and I also implicitly assume you wouldn't be fine with any possible mechanical treatment of the basic idea you want to convey. That's why I asked what the treatment you desire was, and your reply seems like it would result in very implausible scenarios to me, so I think it's a disagreeable one until you come up with a better solution.
 
Well...



If that's not a mechanic proposal, I don't know what is.

But regardless, we're talking about a game here. You can't have things in the game without some sort of mechanical treatment, and I also implicitly assume you wouldn't be fine with any possible mechanical treatment of the basic idea you want to convey. That's why I asked what the treatment you desire was, and your reply seems like it would result in very implausible scenarios to me, so I think it's a disagreeable one until you come up with a better solution.

So the mending of the schisms in CK2 are disagreeable to you. As are the pagan reformation events. All of them implausible to you. You are seriously trolling my thread now with your non-constructive posts.
 
So the mending of the schisms in CK2 are disagreeable to you. As are the pagan reformation events. All of them implausible to you. You are seriously trolling my thread now with your non-constructive posts.

Sorry, kindly do not put words into my mouth, and drop with the accusations. You proposed a mechanic I disagreed with, that doesn't make me a troll. Take a moment to cool down, think of a better way to represent your idea, propose that instead of venting out your frustration on me.
 
Sorry, kindly do not put words into my mouth, and drop with the accusations. You proposed a mechanic I disagreed with, that doesn't make me a troll. Take a moment to cool down, think of a better way to represent your idea, propose that instead of venting out your frustration on me.

I think he's the one that's trolling. I recommend just leaving the thread.
 
Sorry, kindly do not put words into my mouth, and drop with the accusations. You proposed a mechanic I disagreed with, that doesn't make me a troll. Take a moment to cool down, think of a better way to represent your idea, propose that instead of venting out your frustration on me.

I didn't present any mechanics. I presented history to use for the mechanics already explained by the developers regarding religion.
 
I didn't present any mechanics. I presented history to use for the mechanics already explained by the developers regarding religion.

You did propose a mechanic:

The circumstances should be the same as they are for mending the schism between Catholicism and Orthodox in CK2. You have the right provinces necessary to effect the change i.e. the five sees that were historically associated with all of the groups I mentioned.

The effect is the same as what the current CK2 mending of the schism is. The religion that mends the schism becomes the dominate one and all the rest become heresies.

And that is fine because a suggestion of "please do X!" is kind of empty without any idea of what it should look like or be like. But I still think your idea of how it should work needs improvement.
 
So the mending of the schisms in CK2 are disagreeable to you. As are the pagan reformation events. All of them implausible to you. You are seriously trolling my thread now with your non-constructive posts.

Are you a troll?

You suggested a game mechanic; he explained what its implication would be ( Specifically that a successful Crusade would mean instant mending of Schism between Judaism and Christianity 9 out of 10 times )...
 
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