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So what should be the proper course of action according to your opinion?
In my opinion:
Considering they have to get somewhere it's the only thing they could do and have to do now. Whether it was incorrect to get to the point in first place is irrelevant by now because what's done is done and emphasizing on past errors is no way to determine what should be done to correct this in a long a term assuming the whole thing is still correctable. Which happen to be patches or frequent updates in this case. By the way I recall two other games in my library faring a similar course, so that makes it three for this year alone.
Speaking from a customer perspective only: the buyer could have no clue about this business and assume it's heavily bugged. You know I've seen several comments on the net about SotS2 just hinting that. No mentioning of unfinished game, just very bugged in their eyes. Not that it matters in the end but that's how far "everybody" goes. People may be naive yes, but I wouldn't equal that with dumb.
No, I was just picking up on your loose thread about the meaning of a game/a software in generic sense being frequently patched. Truth is whatever the deployment cycle of patches/software updates is completely up to the development policy behind. It can't be generalized like that. You may have covered parts of it but the positive aspects, which I can tell from experience, you have left out. The most neutral aspect of all here however is clear: Damage control.
Yes, all who are dissatisfied with the stage of the game would have preferred a delay. This has been rehashed a couple of times already. Same as why they won't explain how it came to this. Also mind you, they could have told you the truth already for all you know. They could make up a story and claim it's the truth just to satisfy you, how would you tell? The only way to get to the grounds would be doing some investigation on your own and hope they are open to reveal internal policies which may or may not compromise them to random strangers. In a strict legal sense there are limits of what you could tell to people who could potentially hold you accountable once you have come clear.
Hence why one of my first days' comments here was to get away from pre-purchasing and have a demo for every product. This is of course wishful thinking but when I pre-purchased and downloaded later I couldn't help by calling myself dumb for falling to that but alot of this could be remedied if you had a legit chance for a first peek without having to beat yourself up minutes after the buy.
I count Kerberos' situation in this case unique. With SotS2 they have set a new mark for how someone in their position could go. They bargained heavily and still do, which is something a game developer never should get into, alone for this reason I believe they will or at least cannot repeat this (in the same contrasting manner that is).
However in general I agree that it seems to be more or less the case nowadays that PC gamers are getting the short straw. But that's something which could be debated about endlessly and probably end up off-topic
Haha, neither is mine and no worries :laugh:
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I don't argue the truth that fixing the AI would be hard as incomplete as the game is, I just think that they really should try to. As the game is its not really challenging enough to be interesting, and that lack of difficulty prevents me from wanting to play the game despite its problems. I'd rather have a buggy but fun game than a bug free but boring challenge-less game with ineffectual AI's. Maybe shifting some of the attention away from the low hanging fruit and towards the long term goal of entertainment value would be useful NOW so people are able to play and enjoy the game, rather than trying to make the game more presentable first then only fixing the AI long after everyone's given up on waiting for the game to be worthwhile...
To be honest I do not have much to complain about other then bugs which hopefully will be ironed out in time
But then I have had my part of buggy games over the years as I have been gaming since late 1980 ( especially Master of Magic springs to my mind right now ) so I have great patient for the games I like I will still be here when they have time finish patching I do not have any restless night thinking that Kerberus would not do what they have said they would as I have learned over the years to trust and love their work
my confident in them did take a slight beating when SotS2 where release in this stat it where but I still have enough faith in them for now
But then I have had my part of buggy games over the years as I have been gaming since late 1980 ( especially Master of Magic springs to my mind right now
) so I have great patient for the games I like I will still be here when they have time finish patching I do not have any restless night thinking that Kerberus would not do what they have said they would as I have learned over the years to trust and love their work my confident in them did take a slight beating when SotS2 where release in this stat it where but I still have enough faith in them for now
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If you're going to make a meta thread you better stick it before this one get buried right?
just my 2 cent:
i dont know why mecron decided to release now. this decission sure has major downsides, and he must have been aware of them when he pushed the button.
anyway, as i could not participate with the beta test, as im having some major exam stress at the moment, im glad to get the game as early as possible. no matter in what state it is. im aware that this is my personal feeling only, and that the casual gamer will have a different perspective on this.
i dont know why mecron decided to release now. this decission sure has major downsides, and he must have been aware of them when he pushed the button.
anyway, as i could not participate with the beta test, as im having some major exam stress at the moment, im glad to get the game as early as possible. no matter in what state it is. im aware that this is my personal feeling only, and that the casual gamer will have a different perspective on this.
Why you obviously just proved that sticky threads are missed since there is a sticky that links to this thread.
What???? You DONT read ALL stickys before posting??? How dare you !!!!!
As you all know we are not allowed to criticise the decision of making a Meta-complain thread as its a Admin decision.... and who are we to criticise this?
as always: excuse if i choose wrong words as english is not my mother tongue... so dont feel offended....
What???? You DONT read ALL stickys before posting??? How dare you !!!!!
As you all know we are not allowed to criticise the decision of making a Meta-complain thread as its a Admin decision.... and who are we to criticise this?
as always: excuse if i choose wrong words as english is not my mother tongue... so dont feel offended....
My, my.
Don't you ever get tired of constantly over-dramatizing things? At this point, we all know that the game is in a pretty bad state, and we know what the developers are doing to fix things. If I where you (which, admittedly I'm not) I would instead start to contribute with constructive criticism, or ask for a refund. The former makes for a much better reading, and the latter would probably give you a better way to spend your time and money.
This is, after all, a thread about a broken game, and not about the genocide in Darfur.
Not in that post, no.
But instead of hinting about the danger of criticising what you feel is censorship, you could have come up with some level headed reasons as to why you think a meta thread is a bad thing.
Edit: I might add that my first post was not intended to be directed to specifically you.
Also; there is nothing wrong in voicing criticism towards the game or the forum rules, on the contrary, it can probably lead to some pretty interesting discussions. But for that to happen, it needs to be done in a sensible way.
Cheers
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a) Because it doesnt offer the possibility to make a well arranged and easily accessible database sorted by issue/ subject
b) Because it doesnt reflect the amount of disappointed users, putting all matters into ONE thread
c) Because it seems / feels like criticism and complains are beeing tried to hide...
Just 3 of my ideas, i am sure there are more...
ANd i dont think its censorship, i think is indiscriminateness (and i am not sure this is the correct word, but i didnt find a better translation)
b) Because it doesnt reflect the amount of disappointed users, putting all matters into ONE thread
c) Because it seems / feels like criticism and complains are beeing tried to hide...
Just 3 of my ideas, i am sure there are more...
ANd i dont think its censorship, i think is indiscriminateness (and i am not sure this is the correct word, but i didnt find a better translation)
Much better
Well, if you want to criticise a specific issue, the rest of this forum is full of such posts, and the Kerberos forum has much more. They have just limited general complaints to this thread. Seems like a reasonable choice to me, and it should result in just the thing you seem to want, a more well arranged and easily accessible database, instead of hiding them away in a sea of general complaints threads.
These points are really the same, aren't they? I'm pretty sure this is not their intention, and just a glance on this and the Kerberos forum would tell you that if it was so, they have failed miserably. I cant imagine anyone coming here and not realise this game in it's current state has some serious issues. And as I said, Paradox has not prohibited or restricted your ability to criticise or discuss missing and bugged features, interface woes or any other specific detail, but they have restricted general complaints to this thread.
If I understand your use of the word, it ties in to argument 1. Like in it muddles the discussion and it doesn't let people see the whole picture?
Cheers
Well, if you want to criticise a specific issue, the rest of this forum is full of such posts, and the Kerberos forum has much more. They have just limited general complaints to this thread. Seems like a reasonable choice to me, and it should result in just the thing you seem to want, a more well arranged and easily accessible database, instead of hiding them away in a sea of general complaints threads.
These points are really the same, aren't they? I'm pretty sure this is not their intention, and just a glance on this and the Kerberos forum would tell you that if it was so, they have failed miserably. I cant imagine anyone coming here and not realise this game in it's current state has some serious issues. And as I said, Paradox has not prohibited or restricted your ability to criticise or discuss missing and bugged features, interface woes or any other specific detail, but they have restricted general complaints to this thread.
If I understand your use of the word, it ties in to argument 1. Like in it muddles the discussion and it doesn't let people see the whole picture?
Cheers
Its not allowed... i was told that and one made clear to me that it isnt.... and i am not allowed to speak about that because badbadbad things will happen then (just imageine a mysterious and ghostly )oice here, saying this loudly....)
This thread is for ALL complaints and dont dare complaining elsewhere.
ONE thread NEVER gives the option to have a well arranged database.
Maybe not the INTENTION but the EFFECT
You wanna make a bet about this with me and try what happens (again) if i post a specific complaint?
No, its more like arbitrariness, disposal.... i dont have other or better words for this atm... and i cant explain it any further due to the badbadbad things that will happen (imagine the voice here again)
Well, a quick look on this forum should tell you otherwise, as it is full of criticism. I'd say the problem for you is your choice of how you express said complaints. Which was what my first post was all about. I've voiced complaints myself, both here and on the Kerberos forum, and have not received any warnings.
As I stated in the previous post, I can't see that effect. It has reduced the number of raging and CAPS filled posts though, but that is in my eyes only a good thing. See my point on why that leads to a "well arranged and easily accessible database sorted by issue/ subject" as you put it.
As long as you voice you complaints in a sensible manners, like many other persons has done, I don't think you're in any kind of trouble.
Cheers
As i am not using rude language, i guess someone here cant handle irony and other stylistic devices... But no. it wasnt that reason... but i am not allowed to talk about, as i said (badbadbadthings will happen)
We wont come to a compromise in that i guess, as i think public accusation on things done wrong is the key for us not to loose our right of co determination or influence or whatever you call it. Not meant on games or economics itsself, but on other things too. But works here also. Giving someone a bad publicity is the key to make them do better in the next run.
Your thinking wrong. but again... imagine the badbadbad things here.... lets end this issue about the complaints and bad things here, wont lead to anything as i am forced not to talk about it.
I'd hazard a guess that your warning was tied to your post about Kerberos not fully explaining the reasons for releasing the game in this state and your accusations of a "conspiracy".
But, I'm fine with agreeing to disagree with you. And I understand that it must be quiet hard to discuss something you are not allowed to talk about, and the temptation to do it anyway
As Doctor Claw would say: "I'll get you next time, Gadget! Next time!"
Cheers
But, I'm fine with agreeing to disagree with you. And I understand that it must be quiet hard to discuss something you are not allowed to talk about, and the temptation to do it anyway
As Doctor Claw would say: "I'll get you next time, Gadget! Next time!"
Cheers
My policy is to not comment about disciplinary measures since you are not here for that, but I think I need to state in this instance so no one get the wrong impression.
Mr Final Germany will be taking a short vacation not because of complaints but because he has shown repeatedly that he cannot obey rule #2.
And for the record I could delete any post or thread I was trying to "Hide" So giving this thread a big Meta tag title and also posting a link to it in a sticky thread would be a pretty bad way to be a censor.
The Sticky thread that outlines the policy for complaints also clearly states that complaints about individual issues are allowed in those threads.
Note: If you feel you need to comment on this action make sure you follow rule#2 and PM me, there by not clutter up this thread further with this issue, My apologies for the interruption.
Mr Final Germany will be taking a short vacation not because of complaints but because he has shown repeatedly that he cannot obey rule #2.
And for the record I could delete any post or thread I was trying to "Hide" So giving this thread a big Meta tag title and also posting a link to it in a sticky thread would be a pretty bad way to be a censor.
The Sticky thread that outlines the policy for complaints also clearly states that complaints about individual issues are allowed in those threads.
Note: If you feel you need to comment on this action make sure you follow rule#2 and PM me, there by not clutter up this thread further with this issue, My apologies for the interruption.