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downsizeit said:
I find it very interesting how Paradox wants all complaints neatly confined into one thread...one thread they can then ignore...Another intriguing fact about long, many page, threads is people don't tend to read every post. Ideas, comments, facts, rumors; they all get lost. I wonder if that was the purpose of this thread in the first place.
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What a terrible thing to suggest! ;)
Note the total lack of Moderator presence here which allows a couple of people to hijack the thread with an argument which would not be allowed elsewhere...

Actually there are plenty of threads complaining about missing DLC, etc., but they are mostly constructive. I think we must be in the Troll Pen here.
 
coldeath said:
Wate is this thread here, just so they can ignor it ?
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Not ignoring it.
General complaints are gathered here so that all other threads do not get derailed it the same thread.
It also centralizes a place for us to gather feedback so That we can improve in the future releases.
If we wanted to ignore complaints, why would it be any harder to do if we allowed 100 smaller threads, if anything it would be easier to ignore a whole bunch of little threads that die out and fade to back pages. I just love how no matter what you do on the internet someone will come up with a wacky conspiracy theory on it. :)
 
no critics, but a thought:

Few people on the street = bad demonstration
Many people on the street = good demonstration

Few minutes of bad publicity = not too bad for the person concerned
hours of bad publicity = bad for the person concerned

hundreds of threads about complaints about the game = good signal for Kerberos how we dislike and penalize their behaviour
one thread of complaints about the game = unworthy signal how we dislike and penalize Kerberos as it suggests there arent many complaints about the game

hundreds of threads about complaints = possibility to complain about DIFFERENT things
one thread of complaints = no possibility to coordinate different complaints

And believe me, its my job to judge how things like argumentation are beeing presented.


And one addition: Yes, i believe (as no one else or at least close to no one else) that we will hit 1.0 withinn a few days.
But No, i dont think version 1.0 will be any more playable than the other versions nor will it be in a releasable state nor will it be worth calling itsself version 1.0
 
Not ignoring it.
General complaints are gathered here so that all other threads do not get derailed it the same thread.
It also centralizes a place for us to gather feedback so That we can improve in the future releases.
If we wanted to ignore complaints, why would it be any harder to do if we allowed 100 smaller threads, if anything it would be easier to ignore a whole bunch of little threads that die out and fade to back pages. I just love how no matter what you do on the internet someone will come up with a wacky conspiracy theory on it. :)

Not quite a conspiracy, just a line of thought.
If anything I am only pointing out the fact that you made it mandatory to only post here if you frustrated with an issue. Which might not give a full representation on how many people there are that have an "issue" with
one of your products.

On a side not

"A conspiracy theory explains an event as being the result of an alleged plot by a covert group or organization or, more broadly, the idea that important political, social or economic events are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public."

So, by the definition of this word you can see I was not conspiring due to the nature of not only how you saw the information but also the fact that I was making a statement. As the Paradox Forum Manager might i sugest that you use wikipedia befor you post words that you do fully understand. (And if English is not your native language, then I would recommend that hire someone that is from the UK or US)
 
I'm just shocked that there are so many people who believe Kerberos will have the money to keep working on the game. They've already said they've fired a few programmers after the games launch due to financial difficulties... and after the whole refund snafu the odds are close to zero that'll have enough money to keep going.
 
Ivashanko said:
I'm just shocked that there are so many people who believe Kerberos will have the money to keep working on the game. They've already said they've fired a few programmers after the games launch due to financial difficulties... and after the whole refund snafu the odds are close to zero that'll have enough money to keep going.
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man really?
i wanted to give them a change to fix it until the promised 6 week
but i somehow know in the current state the game is in it would take another 5 moths or even more to finally have an acaptable version
its still a week or two after the 6 weeks are, so devs here we are waiting

sorry for letting of some steam here but if the 6 weeks are over and they tell us they need even more time
screw them
i hope i will still get a refund, 'cause iam not willing to wait anymore to finally play a game i bought 2 moths ago
and iam not willing to became a tester for them
 
Ivashanko said:
I'm just shocked that there are so many people who believe Kerberos will have the money to keep working on the game. They've already said they've fired a few programmers after the games launch due to financial difficulties... and after the whole refund snafu the odds are close to zero that'll have enough money to keep going.
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No they haven't said this, They lost 2 programmers to health before launch, but have not let any programmers go post launch.
They whole Kerberos running out of money thing is hearsay, it's possible its true, but unless you know their accountant it's simply speculation.
 
Monkey_King said:
man really?
i wanted to give them a change to fix it until the promised 6 week
but i somehow know in the current state the game is in it would take another 5 moths or even more to finally have an acaptable version
its still a week or two after the 6 weeks are, so devs here we are waiting

sorry for letting of some steam here but if the 6 weeks are over and they tell us they need even more time
screw them
i hope i will still get a refund, 'cause iam not willing to wait anymore to finally play a game i bought 2 moths ago
and iam not willing to became a tester for them
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I am concerned that after the semi-generous offer of refund by the end of November, that those of us who kept out money in the pot with hopes for what was promised will be left with a nice shiney $40 forum icon and not much else - but that was the risk I took in November and no use getting angry now that the dice are tossed. I am hoping for the best. I will not be buying any other co-branded games pre order again. That is for sure.
 
Monkey_King said:
refund offer ended in November hmm strange because the game was avaiable for purchase on the 2nd of December here
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sorry, not sure where here is - the game was available for download on 28th October and of course pre-orders (like mine) predate that. I'm not sure about any other refund offer other than the one I referred to but I haven't been reading the Refund Thread as there were alot of angry folks there I just didn't want to listen to.
 
morrte said:
I took a punt and bought it a week after release knowing the problems but gambling on Kerberos coming good. I've really begun to have doubts in the last day or so I have to say, and it gives me no pleasure to do so. For me being 'playable' is not enough, I thinkthere are serious fundamental issues with the entire product, and nothing i read here or at Kerberos gives me warm fuzzy feelings or confidence.
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This.

The problems aren't just a matter of being unfinished - but not-well-considered, and even-more-poorly-interfaced.
 
Between datupuki's rumors of Kerberos having very difficult times, Paradox obfuscating all of the problems into one thread on their forums, and the state of the game.... I strongly believe that this game will never be in a fun state or ever come as close to being a star as SotS1 did.

Look at what was fun about SotSI...
++non-overwhelming strategic depth (I'm sorry, but games like EU3 are so niche because they are practically unplayable for me because of the awful learning curve. Love the idea, hate the implementation.)

++Easy to get into (When you start a game... you choose research that makes sense. When you start a battle... you right click to move and your ships automatically fire... not some convoluted rock paper lasers psychic light dark vs tenotherrandomthings)

+++Customizable ships (Awesome. Unfortunately not as varied as i'd like. three "sections" suck, wish things were more modular.)

+Varied races (Some like it hot, some like it cold, they all have different probabilities for research categories and speed making some more technological but few [Liir] and others less flashy and more numerous [Zuul] with many others in the middle)

+Varied planets (You can't colonize everything. A big poor planet and a small rich planet aren't necessarily better than an average sized average money planet.)
+++Combat is so fun and flashy. New weapons look cool. Suped up ships reflect lasers and are powerful.


Look at SotSII's HUGE GLARING FLAWS
-----It takes HOURS to do ANYTHING

-Small fleets. Have ##### ships? Too bad. You get to bring #.

--Fleets are given orders then act autonomously until they reach their objective, then you may be able to choose an order then or do combat.... and then they return to their base. You can't say 'oh, refine more fuel and explore more! you have to bring them back home even if it was just one jump away.)

-----COMBAT SUCKS. Hey guys, lets search a system FOREVER to FIND an enemy... and then take several turns to kill them...

----Turns get you nowhere - oh by the way... each turn takes at least as much time as sots1 and you seemingly get nothing done on a turn by turn basis.

-----Bugs. I wouldn't mind a crash once every couple of hours if the game was more fast paced and I got a huge chunk of a game done.



Yeah. I barely even scratched the surface.

What would I change?

The whole freaking game. The design is just too nuts to ever be fun. Adding more 'stuff' to work with diplomacy and espionage will only make long turns longer. Combat has to be more fast paced. Right now you go and have a handful of ships explore a solar system. Why not bring in 50+ ships and send them out in squads to scout different planets and learn the positions of the enemy? Let this be automated and simulate some ships being shot down on recon. Don't waste my time on the boring stuff. Or you could let us pool our forces to attack an enemy planet and let the enemy ships defending other worlds arrive late as reinforcements. Anything to let combat be one single epic battle or several battles with separate fleets.

There is just too many other things to go on about. I like the idea of solar system combat but I absolutely hate the current implementation. I don't see it changing for a more fast-paced interesting and enjoyable experience. I see it staying a 'realistic' mess just how Mecron wants it to be: http://www.kerberos-productions.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=24401


Well. I kept it all in the "META" Thread for complaints. At least no one casually browsing to this forum to find out about the game will likely ever read this post. I come to these boards to see if anything changes a few times a week and I never ever look in here. I assume many others do the same.
 
So, how are those "at least 2 or 3 updates a week" working out?
 
@Jeslijar - agreed. Sots 1 had a lot of it's great factor in the fact that you could jump right in. The learning curve was simple in terms of getting something started. Some things were stumbling blocks (CNC), but once you got a clue about those, it became extremely addicting - the exploration and technology drawing you ever onward!

And then the tactics of the battles themselves - which largely hinged upon the designs of your ships - which depended upon the techs you researched and when/where you built fleets & sent them.... all became a very deep game, with more to it for literally years of playing.

Sots2... yawn-fest interspersed with !@$!@# frustration and stupid ill-considered interface and game-design decisions. Awful. F-
 
coldeath said:
Not ignoring it.
General complaints are gathered here so that all other threads do not get derailed it the same thread.
It also centralizes a place for us to gather feedback so That we can improve in the future releases.
If we wanted to ignore complaints, why would it be any harder to do if we allowed 100 smaller threads, if anything it would be easier to ignore a whole bunch of little threads that die out and fade to back pages. I just love how no matter what you do on the internet someone will come up with a wacky conspiracy theory on it. :)
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Not quite a conspiracy, just a line of thought.
If anything I am only pointing out the fact that you made it mandatory to only post here if you frustrated with an issue. Which might not give a full representation on how many people there are that have an "issue" with
one of your products.

On a side not

"A conspiracy theory explains an event as being the result of an alleged plot by a covert group or organization or, more broadly, the idea that important political, social or economic events are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public."

So, by the definition of this word you can see I was not conspiring due to the nature of not only how you saw the information but also the fact that I was making a statement. As the Paradox Forum Manager might i sugest that you use wikipedia befor you post words that you do fully understand. (And if English is not your native language, then I would recommend that hire someone that is from the UK or US)
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Lol why do I bother and try, eternal optimist I guess. :)

1) Unlike you (at least based on your IP) I am a native English speaker from an English speaking nation.
2) Wikipedia, really, you are using Wikipedia as proof in a debate. :p
3) You are both misreading the definition and my use of it.
4) Nowhere does it say you cannot post complaints about specific issues you are "frustrated" with, in fact you will find many such threads active. The only complaints that need to go in this thread is if you have general complaints about the game as a whole, or issues related to the state of release.
5) If you chose the quote option it makes your post easier to read as it is clearer.
6) Welcome to the forum, too bad I had to first encounter you in a complaints thread, hopefully things get better from here.
 
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