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s1234567890m said:
Didnt magicka have an abdismal release as well?
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Was just about to say this myself. In fact, in the latest PC Gamer mag there is an interview with the Magicka developers who didn't realise the game was being released and it essentially didn't work untill they managed to get the 1st patch out. How do you not know when your game is being released?

Any how, the more reviews I read from reputable sources, the more it becomes clear that even if the game worked 100%, the UI prevents you having any fun at all. If only they had realised that the slick UI they had really didn't need to be changed at all. Sure, add a few extra bits like having multiple planets around each star etc and update the graphics engine and I think most people would have been happy with that.
 
mixedupjim said:
Was just about to say this myself. In fact, in the latest PC Gamer mag there is an interview with the Magicka developers who didn't realise the game was being released and it essentially didn't work untill they managed to get the 1st patch out. How do you not know when your game is being released?

Any how, the more reviews I read from reputable sources, the more it becomes clear that even if the game worked 100%, the UI prevents you having any fun at all. If only they had realised that the slick UI they had really didn't need to be changed at all. Sure, add a few extra bits like having multiple planets around each star etc and update the graphics engine and I think most people would have been happy with that.
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You do realize that Magicka is the biggest selling game in Paradox history right.
 
Castellon said:
You do realize that Magicka is the biggest selling game in Paradox history right.
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So the policy of don't care if the game works or not release it anyway, we'll get round to finishing it later seems to be a profitable one.
 
It sounds like Paradox learned the wrong lesson from the success of Magicka.

Magicka was not popular because it had a messy release, it was popular despite that because it was lighthearted fun with a sense of humour which didnt take itself too seriously. The latter encouraged people to forgive the former. Seems Paradox misapplied the lesson learned from Magicka to other games and thought it would be OK to carry on with messier and messier releases. IMHO that is a mistake and they ought to think seriously about this because I dont think that strategy is going to work well in the long term.
 
I recently reinstalled SOTSII only to uninstall it again because after starting up a game, ALL races were visible on the screen. As soon as I noticed that, I closed the game, removed SOTS-II then removed Steam along with it (since one requires the other).

I know that the recent update corrected that 'all races visible' mistake (so thank you), but one small thing I just can't seem to get over is the "rating pending" image that continues to show on the initial start up screen. Whenever I see that, it makes me feel... :mellow: ...somewhat... violated.

So what I want to know is this.... Is Kerberos/PI forced to keep that "rating pending" label active UNTIL the game is officially released (ie. complete)? Or is it simply just another oversight by the developer team???
 
Wolfe1759 said:
So the policy of don't care if the game works or not release it anyway, we'll get round to finishing it later seems to be a profitable one.
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I think we know that releases need to be improved, but it takes time as policies to ensure better releases need to be in place from the start of development (Which is sometimes years before release).
We took it to heart for our internal titles after HOI3, I think objectively every release since has been a steady improvement, and CK2 looks to be the smoothest release yet.

We are learning lessons with our external partners as well, and have hired more QA producers, so I think you will begin to see steady progress in this area as well.
We are listening, we do get it, we will try and do better.
 
Castellon said:
I think we know that releases need to be improved, but it takes time as policies to ensure better releases need to be in place from the start of development
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Well, the choice is rather simple: A game is not in releaseable state? Dont release it.


Castellon said:
I think you will begin to see steady progress in this area as well.
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Like Sots2? This statement is "Paradox" indeed...
 
No what you need to have happen is to have it in a releasable state when the development cycle ends, which is very different, you cannot delay something indefinitely, that is not how the real world works.
Obviously I am talking about going forward from Sots2, that is the whole topic.
But as with all my posts, you are pretty determined to pretend not to understand what I am saying and then try a twist my words into a trollish comment.
 
Castellon said:
We took it to heart for our internal titles after HOI3, I think objectively every release since has been a steady improvement
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The SOTS2 release has been a steady improvement over prior releases ????

Anyway, Castellon thanks for your reply, I am sure there are things you would prefer to be doing rather than dealing with flack from the likes of me as it is Xmas eve after all.

The one lesson I have clearly learned from the process has been never pre-order this applies for me not just to Paradox but to all developers / publishers, the unfortunate outcome of the SOTS2 release if I'm not alone in this could be diminished support through customers pre-orders across the niche that is 4X and Strategy.
 
Castellon said:
We took it to heart for our internal titles after HOI3, I think objectively every release since has been a steady improvement
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Like Pirates Of The Black Cove ?

http://www.gamespot.com/pirates-of-black-cove/reviews/pirates-of-black-cove-review-6327041

Magicka perhabs ?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/arrowhead-game-studios-magicka-vietnam-dlc,2914-3.html

Or maybe SotS II ? o_O

Who exactly are you trying to trick here ?

P.S A game being an external title does not really justify your practices as a publisher.
 
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Cpt.Badger said:
Like Pirates Of The Black Cove ?

http://www.gamespot.com/pirates-of-black-cove/reviews/pirates-of-black-cove-review-6327041

Magicka perhabs ?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/arrowhead-game-studios-magicka-vietnam-dlc,2914-3.html

Or maybe SotS II ? o_O

Who exactly are you trying to trick here ?

P.S A game being an external title does not really justify your practices as a publisher.
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I CLEARLY distinguished between Internal and external productions.
You are taking a quote I made about internal games and giving examples of External games.
Please do not twist my quotes to post Trolling comments, next time I will have to infract you for it.
 
Castellon said:
I CLEARLY distinguished between Internal and external productions.
You are taking a quote I made about internal games and giving examples of External games.
Please do not twist my quotes to post Trolling comments, next time I will have to infract you for it.
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I did not twist your comment. I didn't cut out "internal" out of the quote did I ? Also my post scriptum makes it clear that I understood that you wrote about your internal titles.

Don't want to argue here, just defending myself.
 
I say internal titles are improving and then you list some external titles to say I am wrong and trying to trick people, and exclude what I said about external titles.
I think it is pretty clear you were trolling. Go and read my full post again, and if you look at it objectively I think you will see.

I have been pretty lenient about issuing infractions in this thread since it is the complaints thread, I did not even infract breaking rule 2, or your troll, but I have to a least call you on it.
 
Castellon said:
But as with all my posts, you are pretty determined to pretend not to understand what I am saying and then try a twist my words into a trollish comment.
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1. I have no idea aobut the word "trolling" so please gimme a hint so i know what to avoid
2. I am not trying to twist your words at least not on purpose, so please show me where
3. Your opinion was (and i dont quote it here word by word) that we customers might notice steady improvement in QA since Hoi3 for internal titles, correct? Well, if thats your opinion im fine with youropinion but i dont share it. I have no idea about whats an internal title and whats not as my knowledge of your products isnt by far at the level your knowledge is. But all I wanted to make clear is that I as a customer am not interested whether a product is internal or not. It the Quality of "PI" labeled games i am interested in and my opinion is that the quality of these hasnt improved but worsened.

And THAT is not twisting your words, i now tried to write it as exact as i was able with my knowledge of this language and that is my OPINION and my opinion is nothing that should be infracted or in my case banned...

As i think this thread will lead to nothing as i see theres an open ear on PIs side but have no information about the consequences and conclusion PI gets from our "complaints" i will retreat from this discussion as i want to avoid beeing infracted for "trolling" (although i dont know what this word means but i have a uncertain guess on it).
 
I find it hard to believe that someone who has been a member of this forum since 2003, with 16 registered games and a post count over 1400 has no idea which games are made by Paradox and which are just published by them. If that's indeed the situation, maybe spending some of the time dedicated to writing posts to get some facts instead might be recommended? Looking these things up would have taken less time than posting that comment. Mark "trolling", right click and choose "search Google for..." takes about 1 second, and gives you the Wikipedia page that explains exactly what it is.
Just spouting baseless accusations without bothering if there is any evidence for them is, if not trolling, just pointless and disruptive. It should be obvious that if your participation in a discussion is to contribute anything to it, your viewpoint has to be based on something credible.
Anyone can have opinions, but without anything to base them on, they're pretty much worthless to everyone.
 
Final_germany said:
1. I have no idea aobut the word "trolling" so please gimme a hint so i know what to avoid
2. I am not trying to twist your words at least not on purpose, so please show me where
3. Your opinion was (and i dont quote it here word by word) that we customers might notice steady improvement in QA since Hoi3 for internal titles, correct? Well, if thats your opinion im fine with youropinion but i dont share it. I have no idea about whats an internal title and whats not as my knowledge of your products isnt by far at the level your knowledge is. But all I wanted to make clear is that I as a customer am not interested whether a product is internal or not. It the Quality of "PI" labeled games i am interested in and my opinion is that the quality of these hasnt improved but worsened.

And THAT is not twisting your words, i now tried to write it as exact as i was able with my knowledge of this language and that is my OPINION and my opinion is nothing that should be infracted or in my case banned...

As i think this thread will lead to nothing as i see theres an open ear on PIs side but have no information about the consequences and conclusion PI gets from our "complaints" i will retreat from this discussion as i want to avoid beeing infracted for "trolling" (although i dont know what this word means but i have a uncertain guess on it).
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You could read the rules which I have asked you to do several times.

Rule #4{No Trolling} You will not make posts that are inflammatory with the perceived intent to rile people up (i.e. "trolling" and "flaming" are prohibited).
 
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