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Well, no one ever said that France lacked style
just to highlight that finding stuff for Bosnia region might be a bit more difficult. France is the easy way, even if sometimes I don't find what I search.
I agree, if nothing else would be available, but if historic coat of arms of duchies* and counties* are available, I prefer those. Although that too is probably easier for Western Europe in general than Bosnia. For instance using the coat of arms of Brussels, Leuven/Louvain, Antwerp or 's-Hertogenbosch/Bois-le-Duc or even one of the other towns with the title of capital of Brabant, as a coat of arms of Brabant, IMHO wouldn't be ideal.
(*= a large number of these are ultimately derived from (former) ruling dynasties)
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The Balkans is starting to come together, so here is a little teaser of how it will look
Provinces
View attachment 54016
Duchies
http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t474/aasmul/ck2_4-1.jpg
Kingdoms
http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t474/aasmul/ck2_5-1.jpg
I still have a little bit of province border refineing to do but it will end up looking close to this(If I don't get told that I have messed it up that is:unsure
Provinces
View attachment 54016
Duchies
http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t474/aasmul/ck2_4-1.jpg
Kingdoms
http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t474/aasmul/ck2_5-1.jpg
I still have a little bit of province border refineing to do but it will end up looking close to this(If I don't get told that I have messed it up that is:unsure
Good stuff. When I get back from work I will comment that post about baronies and add my suggestions. Speaking of that, does that include temple and cities or just castles?
Provinces look very good. Maybe just province of Senj is stickint too much into Donji Kraji and Zavrsje, but thats really nothing too important...
About Podrinje... Podrinje means like: Along river Drina... so there should be a river Drina? Thats today border between Serbia and Bosnia.
You misspelled the Zavrsje. You put up Zavrjse.
I am still researching about COA's of towns and such... at least we will see the local rulers of provinces, there is famous Fojnica Armorial, every noble family is described and where they ruled. I will translate relevant ones to you as soon as possible.
Best regards.
Provinces look very good. Maybe just province of Senj is stickint too much into Donji Kraji and Zavrsje, but thats really nothing too important...
About Podrinje... Podrinje means like: Along river Drina... so there should be a river Drina? Thats today border between Serbia and Bosnia.
You misspelled the Zavrsje. You put up Zavrjse.
I am still researching about COA's of towns and such... at least we will see the local rulers of provinces, there is famous Fojnica Armorial, every noble family is described and where they ruled. I will translate relevant ones to you as soon as possible.
Best regards.
just a word about the lake you added. You might add a sea province to materialize a nice border around it like other vanilla lakes.
its preferable to have a mix of every kind of settlement, if you look at the previous page I have the list of barronies I currently have found(please say if some should be scrapped/switched in favour of others) but as you can see I still haven't found enough for some provinces.
I still haven't found out what to do with Croatia(besides giving it Bihac to compensate for Zahumlje)
therefore Im a bit hesitaint to take more of its territory...
Take a look at the province map again, it is there(with Lim and the other small siderivers)
Thanks, hadn't spotted it.
Would appriciate it, im a bit stuck with COA's. I have given Donji Kraji the arms of Hrvantinci, but I have not found one for Zavrsje(so currently its the plate of Ban Kulin, looks nice actually, but a proper one would be better....)
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Im a bit afraid to use to many provinces:unsure:, but maybe if I combined the finish lakes into one it would leave a few open. Anyway I think I will wait, untill I have redecorated the rest of Hungary(ardipadian age mod, Mercator and my little corrections dosen't mix to well...)
You should make the kingdome of Wendland, formable by scandinavian cultures.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_the_Wends
Or at least make it titular.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_the_Wends
Or at least make it titular.
You're right, a Danish(or a Swedish wannabe:glare
king without soverginity over de Venders and de Gothers(maybe add a titular title for that one?) is just not the same:sad:
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The Balkans is starting to come together, so here is a little teaser of how it will look
Provinces
View attachment 54016
Duchies
http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t474/aasmul/ck2_4-1.jpg
Kingdoms
http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t474/aasmul/ck2_5-1.jpg
I still have a little bit of province border refineing to do but it will end up looking close to this(If I don't get told that I have messed it up that is:unsure
Looking at the map, there could be a few places with impassable (for armies) mountain ranges to simulate the Dinaric Alps - in particular, in the south-east and around the area of Zavrsje.
Thats a very good idea, but it will mostly have aesthic effect since the provinces all have a bit of common border where they have low to moderate height.
Will check how it looks.
Nice work on the balkans there, looks great now
Thanks, your own little African expidtion is'nt bad either
I've done research for the list of baronies in the Bosnian provinces and Hercegovina or Zachumlie (Hum/Zahumlje) provinces and here they are:
c_Vrhbosna:
b_Bobovac = castle (capital)
b_Visoki = castle
b_Hodidjed = castle
b_Vranduk = castle
b_Sutjeska = temple
b_Kresevo = temple
b_Hvojnica = temple (Fojnica)
b_Podvisoki = city
c_Podrinje:
b_Borac = castle (capital of the county)
b_Samobor = castle
b_Dobrun = castle
b_Jelec = castle
b_Kuslat = castle
b_Hoca = city (Foca)
b_Srebrnica = city (Srebrenica)
b_Praca = temple
c_Usora:
b_Srebrenik = castle (capital)
b_Dobojgrad = castle
b_Teocak = castle
b_Maglaj = castle
b_Zvonik = castle (Zvornik)
b_Doborgrad = castle
b_Soli = city
b_Glaz = temple
c_Donji Kraji:
b_Jajce = castle (capital)
b_Zvecaj = castle
b_Vrbaski Grad = castle
b_Soko Grad = castle
b_Kljuc na Sani = castle
b_Bocac = castle
b_Vesela Straza = city
b_Jezero = temple
c_Bihac:
b_Bihac = castle (capital)
b_Krupa = castle
b_Unac = castle
b_Blagaj Grad = castle
b_Buzim = castle
b_Kamengrad = castle
b_Pset = city
b_Dubica = temple
c_Zavrsje:
b_Hlivno = castle (capital)
b_Dlamoc = castle
b_Susjedgrad = castle
b_Rog = castle
b_Prozor = castle
b_Duvno = city
b_Rama = city
b_Kupres = temple
c_Zahumlje or Zachumlje (Hum or Hercegovina):
b_Blagaj = castle (capital)
b_Kljuc = castle
b_Gabela = castle
b_Stolac = castle
b_Dbar = castle
b_Konjic = city
b_Gacko = city
b_Kom = temple
I'm going to do tommorow Travunija (or Travunia) and Polimlje provinces, I need better research for the Travunija province.
As for the Lim province you should change it to Polimlje, because in all historical books that region is called Polimlje which means 'around the river Lim' or the 'Lim region'. Lim is just the river and trust me on all maps and in historical books there is always name Polimlje.
You mispelled Zavrjse which should be Zavrsje.
As for Podrinje, its border shouldn't be next to Syrmia, because Usora comes between Podrinje and Syrmia.
Also Split province is on the wrong position. Zadar, Sibenik and Split are very close to each other so you should push them more together and were Zadar is now (looking at the map you showed us today) there should Sibenik and Split, but if you can't include them all three, lose one of them and put it as barony. I'll try to help with that by drawing on the map you upload it.
c_Vrhbosna:
b_Bobovac = castle (capital)
b_Visoki = castle
b_Hodidjed = castle
b_Vranduk = castle
b_Sutjeska = temple
b_Kresevo = temple
b_Hvojnica = temple (Fojnica)
b_Podvisoki = city
c_Podrinje:
b_Borac = castle (capital of the county)
b_Samobor = castle
b_Dobrun = castle
b_Jelec = castle
b_Kuslat = castle
b_Hoca = city (Foca)
b_Srebrnica = city (Srebrenica)
b_Praca = temple
c_Usora:
b_Srebrenik = castle (capital)
b_Dobojgrad = castle
b_Teocak = castle
b_Maglaj = castle
b_Zvonik = castle (Zvornik)
b_Doborgrad = castle
b_Soli = city
b_Glaz = temple
c_Donji Kraji:
b_Jajce = castle (capital)
b_Zvecaj = castle
b_Vrbaski Grad = castle
b_Soko Grad = castle
b_Kljuc na Sani = castle
b_Bocac = castle
b_Vesela Straza = city
b_Jezero = temple
c_Bihac:
b_Bihac = castle (capital)
b_Krupa = castle
b_Unac = castle
b_Blagaj Grad = castle
b_Buzim = castle
b_Kamengrad = castle
b_Pset = city
b_Dubica = temple
c_Zavrsje:
b_Hlivno = castle (capital)
b_Dlamoc = castle
b_Susjedgrad = castle
b_Rog = castle
b_Prozor = castle
b_Duvno = city
b_Rama = city
b_Kupres = temple
c_Zahumlje or Zachumlje (Hum or Hercegovina):
b_Blagaj = castle (capital)
b_Kljuc = castle
b_Gabela = castle
b_Stolac = castle
b_Dbar = castle
b_Konjic = city
b_Gacko = city
b_Kom = temple
I'm going to do tommorow Travunija (or Travunia) and Polimlje provinces, I need better research for the Travunija province.
As for the Lim province you should change it to Polimlje, because in all historical books that region is called Polimlje which means 'around the river Lim' or the 'Lim region'. Lim is just the river and trust me on all maps and in historical books there is always name Polimlje.
You mispelled Zavrjse which should be Zavrsje.
As for Podrinje, its border shouldn't be next to Syrmia, because Usora comes between Podrinje and Syrmia.
Also Split province is on the wrong position. Zadar, Sibenik and Split are very close to each other so you should push them more together and were Zadar is now (looking at the map you showed us today) there should Sibenik and Split, but if you can't include them all three, lose one of them and put it as barony. I'll try to help with that by drawing on the map you upload it.
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Thank you, will start impementing right away.
will do
has been fixed
Thought that it was Soli that should have been there? anyway will fix it.
Better wait with spending time with that, I still have to deal with Croatia, Dalamatia and Slavonia propperly(the current is accepable but I doubt that it is as ought a be...). Dalamatia should have at least 3 provinces, so if one of them goes I will have to find a new one(might be the best option) when I made Sibenink origianly I merely cut Zadar off in two peices so that each roughly(again the CK2 projection is not very precise) landed in its own province.
When I have added the barronies I will look into Croatia again and see if can deduct what should be the propper provinces(hopefully I will have more luck this time, last was a dead end)
EDIT: I only noticed now that El-Fatih did similar work... oh my. I am exhausted, editing post was opet for at least 3 hours... I didn't bothered to refresh the topic...
And yes, they are sorted by their importance, somewhat... so filter what you need.
Ok, this is my suggestion, and is based on main map we have regarding medieval Bosnia. And some researching and re-learning some stuff...
c(County/Province)_Vrhbosna:
b_Bobovac
b_Visoki
b_Vranduk
b_Travnik
b_Hodidjed
b_Čajan
c_Podvisoki
c_Fojnica
c_Tornik
c_Sutjeska
c_Kotor
c_Bilino
t_Mile
t_Kreševo
t_Milodraž
t_Moštre
t_Olovo
c_Zavrsje:
b_Hlivno
b_Dlamoc
b_Prozor
b_Susjed
b_Vesela Straza
c_Rama
c_Duvno
c_Kupres
c_Rakitno
t_Rapovina
t_Lištani
c_Usora:
b_Srebrenik
b_Dobojgrad
b_Maglaj
b_Sokograd
b_Gradačac
b_Tišnica
c_Soli
c_Gračanica
c_Žepče
c_Dobropolje
c_Tolisa
c_Kovač
t_Tesanj
t_Modriča
t_Grad
t_Dubnica
c_Travunia:
b_Travunija (today's Trebinje)
b_Risan
b_Vrm
b_Lukavec
b_Novi
b_Klobuk
b_Mičevac
c_Bileća
c_Zasad
c_Ledenica
c_Kruševica
c_Jasen
t_Granovo
t_Ostrog
t_Tvrdoš
t_Zaton
t_Police
c_Lim:
b_Prijepolje (no, it isn't the same)
b_Severin
b_Kukanj
b_Koznik
b_Klek
b_Mileševac
c_Pljevlja
c_Rudo
c_Maoča
c_Bukovica
t_Mileševa
c_Donji Kraji:
b_Jajce
b_Vrbaski Grad
b_Greben
b_Ključ
b_Zemljanik
b_Zvečaj
c_Pset
c_Kola
c_Peći
c_Lušci
c_Sanica
t_Bočac
t_Jezero
t_Kozara
t_Vrbanja
c_Podrinje:
b_Samobor
b_Zvornik
b_Teočak
b_Kulina
b_Ustipraca
b_Višegrad
c_Srebrenica
c_Foča
c_Goražde
c_Rogatica
c_Crnča
c_Bijeljina
t_Borač
t_Bratunac
t_Pegište
t_Čajniče
t_Polja
c_Zahumlje:
b_Blagaj
b_Kljuc
b_Neretva
b_Klobuk
b_Počitelj
b_Borovac
c_Drijeva
c_Gacko
c_Nevesinje
c_Konacpolje
c_Dubrava
c_Drežnica
t_Raštani
t_Biskup
t_Trijebanj
t_Biograd
t_Cim
With Raška I can't help you now... maybe when I get some map and do research.
Bolded stuff are capitols, or at least important forts at that time. I also took time to see what were cities and where famous temples were located... if you can use it in that way.
About COA's we can only use the families... there is sources for that, but it's all in bosnian language... I will need to get down on those. When I have some results, will report...
And yes, they are sorted by their importance, somewhat... so filter what you need.
Ok, this is my suggestion, and is based on main map we have regarding medieval Bosnia. And some researching and re-learning some stuff...
c(County/Province)_Vrhbosna:
b_Bobovac
b_Visoki
b_Vranduk
b_Travnik
b_Hodidjed
b_Čajan
c_Podvisoki
c_Fojnica
c_Tornik
c_Sutjeska
c_Kotor
c_Bilino
t_Mile
t_Kreševo
t_Milodraž
t_Moštre
t_Olovo
c_Zavrsje:
b_Hlivno
b_Dlamoc
b_Prozor
b_Susjed
b_Vesela Straza
c_Rama
c_Duvno
c_Kupres
c_Rakitno
t_Rapovina
t_Lištani
c_Usora:
b_Srebrenik
b_Dobojgrad
b_Maglaj
b_Sokograd
b_Gradačac
b_Tišnica
c_Soli
c_Gračanica
c_Žepče
c_Dobropolje
c_Tolisa
c_Kovač
t_Tesanj
t_Modriča
t_Grad
t_Dubnica
c_Travunia:
b_Travunija (today's Trebinje)
b_Risan
b_Vrm
b_Lukavec
b_Novi
b_Klobuk
b_Mičevac
c_Bileća
c_Zasad
c_Ledenica
c_Kruševica
c_Jasen
t_Granovo
t_Ostrog
t_Tvrdoš
t_Zaton
t_Police
c_Lim:
b_Prijepolje (no, it isn't the same)
b_Severin
b_Kukanj
b_Koznik
b_Klek
b_Mileševac
c_Pljevlja
c_Rudo
c_Maoča
c_Bukovica
t_Mileševa
c_Donji Kraji:
b_Jajce
b_Vrbaski Grad
b_Greben
b_Ključ
b_Zemljanik
b_Zvečaj
c_Pset
c_Kola
c_Peći
c_Lušci
c_Sanica
t_Bočac
t_Jezero
t_Kozara
t_Vrbanja
c_Podrinje:
b_Samobor
b_Zvornik
b_Teočak
b_Kulina
b_Ustipraca
b_Višegrad
c_Srebrenica
c_Foča
c_Goražde
c_Rogatica
c_Crnča
c_Bijeljina
t_Borač
t_Bratunac
t_Pegište
t_Čajniče
t_Polja
c_Zahumlje:
b_Blagaj
b_Kljuc
b_Neretva
b_Klobuk
b_Počitelj
b_Borovac
c_Drijeva
c_Gacko
c_Nevesinje
c_Konacpolje
c_Dubrava
c_Drežnica
t_Raštani
t_Biskup
t_Trijebanj
t_Biograd
t_Cim
With Raška I can't help you now... maybe when I get some map and do research.
Bolded stuff are capitols, or at least important forts at that time. I also took time to see what were cities and where famous temples were located... if you can use it in that way.
About COA's we can only use the families... there is sources for that, but it's all in bosnian language... I will need to get down on those. When I have some results, will report...
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COA of Zahumlje
http://cro-eu.com/galerija-fotograf...ova_zemlja-Grb_HumaMarica_Drazenovic-_(3).jpg
This is family that ruled the Završje...
http://www.heraldikasrbija.com/gale...DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1424&g2_serialNumber=2
Fictional COA of Bosnia province (Vrhobosna). It was made in late medieval times, represents Illirian symbols, as Bosnia was heart of Illiriya
http://www.heraldikasrbija.com/galerija/main.php?g2_itemId=1122
This is family that ruled over Podrinje region...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sr/thumb/4/4b/Dinjicici.jpg/200px-Dinjicici.jpg
This is later ruler of Travunia region...
http://www.mostar.pro/slike/Kosacic-Grb_Kosaca_prema_Fojnickom_grbovniku.jpg
Most powerfull family in Usora...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Zlatonosovići.png
http://cro-eu.com/galerija-fotograf...ova_zemlja-Grb_HumaMarica_Drazenovic-_(3).jpg
This is family that ruled the Završje...
http://www.heraldikasrbija.com/gale...DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1424&g2_serialNumber=2
Fictional COA of Bosnia province (Vrhobosna). It was made in late medieval times, represents Illirian symbols, as Bosnia was heart of Illiriya
http://www.heraldikasrbija.com/galerija/main.php?g2_itemId=1122
This is family that ruled over Podrinje region...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sr/thumb/4/4b/Dinjicici.jpg/200px-Dinjicici.jpg
This is later ruler of Travunia region...
http://www.mostar.pro/slike/Kosacic-Grb_Kosaca_prema_Fojnickom_grbovniku.jpg
Most powerfull family in Usora...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Zlatonosovići.png