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They cut through my army like a knife through cheese. :eek: Mind you, I was stupid, and let too many forces gather in the same province- I guess if you are above the support limit, your troops die.

Anyway, what kind of troops/tactics are best against the Golden Horde? I'm thinking of building peasant armies under popular law. Lots of pikemen and archers should work well, shouldn't they?
 
Cheiromancer said:
They cut through my army like a knife through cheese. :eek: Mind you, I was stupid, and let too many forces gather in the same province- I guess if you are above the support limit, your troops die.

Anyway, what kind of troops/tactics are best against the Golden Horde? I'm thinking of building peasant armies under popular law. Lots of pikemen and archers should work well, shouldn't they?
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The best way to fight the Mongols is to not fight their armies, but conquer their provinces as quickly as possible.
 
What Vled said. In a Byzantine game of mine, I formed the Rus because so many of the Russian Princes pledged to me then set it free. Between them and a large Cuman blob, the Mongols lasted a whole 10 minutes of game time :p

They actually managed to take a good deal though.
 
Cheiromancer said:
Doesn't that just put you back to square one? I.e., the Mongols still have 100 thousand soldiers and a province, only now the province is somewhere else.
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You need to siege their provinces faster then they can siege other provinces, since there armies be spending time in fighting landbattles.
 
Is it my imagination, but if you do manage to capture the Mongol's original Home province, any armies that had spawned after that initial group, disappear? If so, that is one way to drastically cut down that Mongol-army-blob.
 
with CK 1.05, I rarely see mongols, not to mention strong mongols.
What usually happens is that they spawn, start a war with their mighty army, they sign a peace for $. When they are at peace, it seems that their armies disband, after this they are stomped.
 
galuska said:
with CK 1.05, I rarely see mongols, not to mention strong mongols.
What usually happens is that they spawn, start a war with their mighty army, they sign a peace for $. When they are at peace, it seems that their armies disband, after this they are stomped.
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Same here, I've never seen the Mongols last longer than just a few years. Always highly anticipated to their introduction, only to see them disappear within months.
 
Ah, then it seems like I did exactly the wrong thing, then. Called for a general mobilization, gathered the troops to a province next to the mongol one, and declared war. What attrition didn't kill, the mongols did.

I'll have to try again with a more wait and see approach. See if the mongols burn themselves out like they usually do.
 
Empty86 said:
Same here, I've never seen the Mongols last longer than just a few years. Always highly anticipated to their introduction, only to see them disappear within months.
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That's why I usually start in the last scenario nowadays. There is a large, non-mongol cultured Golden Horde to defeat!

Also, lots of other fun nations to play as: mini Denmark (3 provinces?), mini-Byzantium (with the duke 8X powerful then the emperor), Poland (with lithuanians and teutons to bash), etc.
 
galuska said:
with CK 1.05, I rarely see mongols, not to mention strong mongols.
What usually happens is that they spawn, start a war with their mighty army, they sign a peace for $. When they are at peace, it seems that their armies disband, after this they are stomped.
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Same with me. I don't think I've had a game where both Mongol groups even showed up. I always seem to get just one or the other.

One of my first 1.05 games I worked my way up to Byzantine Emperor and was stalemated with a solid Seljuk Turks. I waited, figuring the Mongols would show up and we could flank the Turks together. When they arrived they had 20,000 troops and died within a year. I was so disapointed.
 
one of my favorite CK moments was when a powerful Seljuk Turk went at it for almost a generation (or it certainly felt like it) against the Golden Horde, trading punch for punch.

i'd turned the Fog of War off, and I spent most of my game time watching events in central iran rather than what was going on in Russia... I even postponed crusading against the Turk because I was worried that it would distract them from the slaughterhouse that they were turning most of the middle east into.

CK ROCKS!!!

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Best I've seen Mongols achieve has been conquering half of Russia and having it last for a few years. Then they were conquered by one of the Russian princes, who afterwards got enough provinces to form the Kingdom of Rus.
 
Eron12 said:
Same with me. I don't think I've had a game where both Mongol groups even showed up. I always seem to get just one or the other.

One of my first 1.05 games I worked my way up to Byzantine Emperor and was stalemated with a solid Seljuk Turks. I waited, figuring the Mongols would show up and we could flank the Turks together. When they arrived they had 20,000 troops and died within a year. I was so disapointed.
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I haven't played enough DV yet, but I played a 1337 start in vanilla CK 1.05 that the Il Khanate ate Germany, Hungary, Poland, France and England. I was cowering in the Mediterranean, praying they wouldn't attack.
 
If you don't mind being gamey you can do a save/re-load.

When you load up a game every active army has it's morale set to zero (bug), so one guy can beat the entire horde in battle.

I've never beaten the Mongols with this tactic myself. I ignore them if possible, and bribe them if they attack. But usually when the Mongols arrive they get to modern Romania, I have to quit to go to sleep or something, and when I reload the Hungarians conquer the entire horde.

I can confirm this works against other large heathen realms, particularly ones who won't take bribes because they want to conquer my beautiful desmene.

And, of course, using it would make Veld's strategy of trying to conquer all of their provinces before they conquer yours much simpler because it's so much easier to defend your provs from massive hordes of cowards.

Nick
 
Talking about Mongols, why the Golden Horde is forbidden to appear in year 1252, and Ilkhanate in 1266 (according to event file)?
 
By those dates their invasions are supposed to end. If they don't have an end date, they'll continually reappear.
Historically at one point the invasions were over... there are only so many Mongols, Turks, and other hordes that can conceivably come out of Asia after all.
 
Oh, yes, thanks, I misread the file... of course, those aren't just two exceptional years when Mongols wouldn't appear, but after those years hordes do not have a chance to arrive anymore (this equal sign in event-speak is still misleading for me sometimes).
 
magritte2 said:
I haven't played enough DV yet, but I played a 1337 start in vanilla CK 1.05 that the Il Khanate ate Germany, Hungary, Poland, France and England. I was cowering in the Mediterranean, praying they wouldn't attack.
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Yeah 1337 is set up that way. The Mongols have all their advantages and start with a decent chunk of land.

I play all my major games in 1066, so that's what I was thinking of. I don't play 1337 because of the tendancy for the Mongols to run over everything.
 
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