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whatever mulli i wont sit hear arguing about this my whole life because u simply can't see pass ur own judgement on people. It's ur own right to not bealive us but to judge peoplelike that and to be totally narrowed minded when ur verdicts appears different is just plain simple and narrowed minded.

Alright, then i believe you i guess .

One of the deeper reasons for my doubt and narrowmindedness was that i would have to conciously brand you as untrustworthy. If you think that is better, fine by me. To pull off such a stunt of deception is good as long as the person in question does not know of your true nature. After that, the brigde is burned. I wont make the same mistake again.
Same for Ego i suppose, but i had more warning there and should have put two and two together.

You know, if i am saying this, it is because it must be right - i always think that diplomacy is for wussies - i always prefer to trust on the "ethical" behaviour of people.

What do you mean by "ethical"? And how do you react to non-ethical behaviour? Fire with fire?

 

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(it seems Bob will never forget the session where i took 3 cots from his nation and distributed it amongst others).

You mean the war where you and Italy and Norway and China and Hungary attacked my sub? a 4 vs 1 gang I think

Yeah that was a pretty nasty gang, but as I am sure you realise I don't hold that incident against you particularly, I just really dislike you personally hence my eagerness to attack whichever nation you play in (especially after you do something else equally unpleasant-the misleading of Absolut's Holland into peacing on ICQ for example)

 

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Alright, then i believe you i guess .

One of the deeper reasons for my doubt and narrowmindedness was that i would have to conciously brand you as untrustworthy. If you think that is better, fine by me. To pull off such a stunt of deception is good as long as the person in question does not know of your true nature. After that, the brigde is burned. I wont make the same mistake again.
Same for Ego i suppose, but i had more warning there and should have put two and two together.


What do you mean by "ethical"? And how do you react to non-ethical behaviour? Fire with fire?

well u didn't judge me as trusthworthy mulli u judge me as a bad at diplomacy and thus couldn't have done what i did.

nothing here proved that i'm not trustworthy. You plotted against me as i plotted against u. we were enemies nothing else

You play the nation in that particulary game not the person i might add

 

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well u didn't judge me as trusthworthy mulli u judge me as a bad at diplomacy and thus couldn't have done what i did.

I judged you as bad at diplomacy instead of brand you as untrustworthy. It was easier and i could still see you as a possible companion in other ventures.

nothing here proved that i'm not trustworthy. You plotted against me as i plotted against u. we were enemies nothing else

I did not view you as an enemy. I viewed you as a potential ally and you let me believe it . Now you come clean and tell me that you played me all along. Im fine with that, but as i said, i wont fall for the trick anymore.

You play the nation in that particulary game not the person i might add

Yet there is always a person behind the nation. Its important to read the players, so that you dont fall for the same traps every time.

 

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What i mean by "ethical"? Well people who gang up in 7v1 just want to screw the game to that nation (suposing the nation isnt some ubber retard). 7v1 is everything less "ethical".

Fire with Fire? Sometimes it is not possible - when 7v1 happens the gangers must be really united and trying to break their ties will be pretty hard, if not impossible. Even if i had the oportunity to do a 7v1, i wouldnt. As i said, i would leave a game under these conditions, should that gang be against me, or not.

Once i see that people do not play fair on my eyes, i will not play fair as well - to them. I was desperate and i had to make full use of every oportunity to avoid collapse (and since you did not play fair i had all the rights to do what i did). I feel that Lyko acted the same, after he saw that "Honour and Glory" are nothing else then 2 nice words on eu2.

You mean the war where you and Italy and Norway and China and Hungary attacked my sub? a 4 vs 1 gang I think

Oh China, the horror... All they did was take your CoT in China. They didnt even have a fleet.

Italy? Italy had been ghosted for nearly the whole game. And when it wasnt, you and Absolut raped it. Norway? Yes, Norway was a nightmare with its 300 galleys/100 warships against your 2000 warships or such.

Hungary? Where does Hungary entered in that? It seems like you are lacking information, just like Absolut, my dear Bob.

The war? China took over the CoT in China - i think it is called Shangai. Italy took your CoTs in India - nothing else. Norway was the one who really fought in that war - he kept assaulting your colonies in north america. All i did (Mioz can confirm this), was sending a lot of warships, against yours. I also invaded some parts of France and then landed an army in London but he peaced imediately. Your fleet, Bob, could have beaten Norway-Italy-China all together. Hell, you even beated my grotesque warship fleet - i only managed to reduce yours to an insignificant amount because i constructed more, and massed em all on a single province. And you forget the fact that Burgundy (Engel) bashed Norway-Italy during the course of actions. And i didnt move a finger. It was 4v2, although China, as you know, did not have a fleet, had the worse LT in that game (they were like 2 CRTs behind everyone else ffs). So that makes it like 3v2. I dont remember my MP, but you had something like 150MP and Burgundy had 3x times that amount. Italy was too weak due to all the rapings you and Absolut did to them, and KoM wasnt that great of a player either. Spain was greater then Burgundy by only a small margin - i had way more wealth but at that stage, as people say, wealth is not important. It was a "reasonable gang", if we can call it a gang. Want me to check the stats to compare wealth-mp-fleet size on both sides?

Exactly like the one in CC3 - NL-England-OE-Poland vs Denmark-Sweden, was reasonable. Although Denmark lost (like your england in MTT), i managed to defeat NL (like burgundy did to italy-norway in MTT). Neither side actually won in both CC3 and in MTT.

In MTT England lost 3 CoTs. Burgundy got about 5 provinces from both Italy-Norway plus a CoT (in holstein). Spain got nothing and wasted nearly the entire fleet. It was a phyric victory.

Again people, please check the logs before speaking. You were not in these sessions so you cant point your little fingers at me. And as Mioz is another "Ego-hater" i can just imagine what he told to you.

And btw, last time i checked the forums rules, you cant publicly state that you hate me. Not that i do not know of that, but rules are rules matey.

You play the nation in that particulary game not the person i might add

I hope you will understand this little phrase, that our good ol' Lyko said, my most honorable Bob.

Mhhh, that honorable part made me laugh.

 

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You admited you had gone into the alliance with everyone else including Austria in case the OE interfered. If the OE interfered, you would surely have ganged them.

And as i said, if John beated them handsomely before, why did you need Austria to do so?

Well yes, Austria and I would attack him, but we didnt. And I wouldnt exactly call it a gang either, it would be a weak Austria, a rather weak Spain against a strong OE, that would be pretty even. Also, I am far from the fighter John is and I am fairly sure you know that.

I fail to see how i am bragging. People understand each other by speaking, right? I am trying to make you understand my points by doing so.

After you say that you backstabbed me, fooled me and so on and so forth you add "rofl" smilies indicating you are proud of what you did and look down on me for believing you. Perhaps not bragging, but displaying superiority.

Dear Absolut, you are mixing CC3 with OF a lot. :rofl:

I didnt, that comment was meant as a general comment. When you say that Brandenburgs army was pathetic at best you lead me to think that you had a better army I might just have to adjust my opinion somewhat.

Dear Absolut, i think you are having a hard time to understand what i say. I never said that the gang in CC3 (i repeat, CC3, was out of proportions). The one in OF was.

Was there a gang in OF? NL-England vs Denmark-Sweden. 2v2, no gang in my book, not even if Poland would have interfered. OE joining for a battle or two doesnt really matter.

Once i have patience, i will make a list of the wealth/MP of the diferent power blocks in OF, and in CC3, so that you can finally conclude something about it.

You just do that.

You must be blind, for sure Absolut.

I am fairly sure I can see.

MTT - i was ganged by everyone save for China. Lost more then 30 provinces acordingly to the stats. Do you know what a "Gang" is absolut? I start to think you do not have that word on your dictionary, despite you like to do it so many time.

From Dictionary.com.

gang up on, Informal. (of a number of persons) to unite in opposition to (a person); combine against: The bigger boys ganged up on the smaller ones in the schoolyard.

Now I am completely sure what a gang is, and you know what, it hasnt changed my opinion one inch. And as you said, you lost 30 provinces, when you had over 100, so you left because you lost. If I were to think like you I would have left History Channel long ago.

BF4 - Do i need to re-formulate who attacked me? After 4 years of gameplay (i took the nation in 1700 since no one was playing it) i was attacked by Prinz Eugen and Karl of Sweden. My venice had only 150MI when i took over, was full defensive, full naval, and half quality. I attacked Austria's armies when these had no leader commanding it, and i always lost despite the massive number of men. I remember loosing 200k men vs 20k austrians. When i took them over i had what, 20 warships and 50 transports or such - Austria blockaded Veneto and i couldnt do a crap. Karl had taken over all islands on Indonesia and the Swedish fleet of 300-500 warships there was unstopable.

Some diplomacy would have been nice, but you obviously lack in that department so you partly have yourself to blame. Also, we can conlude that you lost against Austria and Sweden and you left in the middle of the session without making peace. Thus you left because the game didnt swing your way.

I didnt have a land conection to Italy, and my country was piss-poor, and despite my best efforts i couldnt do an outright crap. I was attacked at the 4th year of game play for christ sake. Tried to get allies, Russia (cheech) agreed to help me but then refused and decided to attack the OE instead. You, absolut, in France, accepted to aid me, but you peaced out for a puny province, leaving me alone vs Austria-Sweden. After i left, Venice was attacked by You, my so called Ally, Spain, England, NL. And was utterly annexed. There was no place for me in that game. I was a new perm and utterly crushed at the 4th year of game play at my first and only session.

Well, I was attacking Venice because they were decleared onlimits and I didnt want Austria and Spain to have it all.

My venice held only Veneto, southern Italy-Genoa, Australia and some islands near indonesia. I was attacked by an Austria that had a bigger fleet/army, wealth and an ubber leader. To compensate Sweden joined in. Doesnt fill the criteria? It fills up the "ganged one" IMO.

Nope, doesnt fill any of your criteria. You were ganged, you left. Not what your little list of reasons for leaving says.

CQF? QFC2 you mean. You werent in that game where you? Austria inherited Burgundy despite the latter being at war, and the event states that Burgundy would not be inherited if it was at war. Clearly someone cheated me out of this (Burgundy was inherited in game, via event! The conditions didnt met for christ sake! AN EVENT DOES NOT FIRE IF THE CONDITIONS DO NOT MEET!). There were many reasons to why i left that game (specially people insulting me and the GM not doing an outright crap). Doesnt fill the criteria as well? Bodvar was the "Absolut ruler and God" of that game and did whatever came through his mind. Bad GMing on my dictionary. Martin was away the sessions where the bad things hapened and Bodvar didnt bother to fix any of these, in, or after the games (he even refused to add my AAr-ontime cookies for more then one session, making me miss about 3000 in gold, by 1500).

I subbed Sweden that session and you were mighty upset when you didnt get the Netherlands due to the event. After that incident you threatened with leaving if this wasnt edited according to your wishes. When nothing happened you left.

If you bother to show up in ICQ i can give you the 5 or 6 reasons that made me leave QFC for good. Either that, or check my last post on the game thread. But again Absolut, you better check things before you open your mouth to insult people like this. In MTT you werent even there and you also decided to blame me (in a couple of posts) for the departure of Formula (Italy) without knowing the facts.

Nah, I dont wanna go on ICQ now, especially not to talk to you. Well, you insult me as well, calling me blind, drunk and whatnot so youd have to expect something back and I didnt even say something like those things you wrote. Furthermore, I blame you for the departure of Formula, you attacked him consecutively and then he left, thats what he said in the forum and I trust him more than I trust you. Oh, one more thing, I dont trust your posts, taking from my own experience you are altering the posts to fit your arguments and thus I will not use them as a source.

 

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No, seriously Mulliman, you should believe on his words. I did exactly the same. Deception and lies, when your country is weak, may earn some gains. You know, if i am saying this, it is because it must be right - i always think that diplomacy is for wussies - i always prefer to trust on the "ethical" behaviour of people.

And in the end i always get screwed. I never learn, do i?

Diplomacy is of equal importance as military strenght and economical strength, at least according to me. With no bonds with other nations youre screwed.

Do to others, what you want others to do to you, that would be a fairly good description of why you are getting screwed.

 

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Although i went a bit Off topic, saying why i left games, we are still speaking about balance, and are still inside the topic. Gangs out of proportion are what ruins balance. A gang or 2 are always needed in any game, since certain nations on their own are not able to defeat others on their own (like Portugal or the NL vs, some biggie like the OE (suposing all players share the same skills)).

Oh and Absolut, obviously i do not match Tonio's skills. But you can ask Bob about my tactical genious once my whole fleet got defeated - i managed to stab hit him about 3 times or such. Even Rokka said he was surprised at the way i fought in that war - i sent small fleets in order to take cots and every colony i could without problems.

I did the same on a small scale to John on CQS. The results? Catastrophic wars that lasted for more then one session, giving John about 20 WE.

Sadly that only helped him due to MT leaders.

You are quite the player EGO, doing all that, Im really impressed! Now if youd stop bragging itd be nice. If you possessed the tactical genious you say you have, why didnt you take NL from Austria in CfQ, why didnt you win the gang in MTT, why didnt you defeat Austria in BF4 and why didnt you defeat NL in CC3 when you had G2A instead of leaving the majority of those games?

 

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After you say that you backstabbed me, fooled me and so on and so forth you add "rofl" smilies indicating you are proud of what you did and look down on me for believing you. Perhaps not bragging, but displaying superiority.

Good boy. You like to gang people and do Very Nice things but once people do something like that to you, you cry? And well, i won the war, so i was superior then you in some aspect. And mind you, it was a 4v2 war vs piss-poor scandinavia.

I dont like what i did, but when i come to think of it... "Well, i backstabbed one of the biggest "gangsters" of eu2-MP, and a goddamn backstabber as well, after all, he promised not to attack me in MTT or to give provinces back and what did he do in the end?". In a resume, look yourself at the mirror Absolut. You are no one to complain about what i did.

You gang up poor lyko and expect to get on top? Everyone in this forum must know by now that i hate gangs, in general (well as i keep saying, some nations need to gang up, depending of the ocasion).

I didnt, that comment was meant as a general comment. When you say that Brandenburgs army was pathetic at best you lead me to think that you had a better army I might just have to adjust my opinion somewhat.

I can say that your Spain in OF had a pathetically low income, and that wouldnt mean that i was stronger then you... The same applies for the army. When i say someone's army is pathetic, it doesnt mean my army is awesome.

Was there a gang in OF? NL-England vs Denmark-Sweden. 2v2, no gang in my book, not even if Poland would have interfered. OE joining for a battle or two doesnt really matter.

NL-England-OE-Poland. Sure sure, you still insist on saying that Poland acted on their own, even if they attacked denmark one day after you. Do you have any idea of what the intervention of Bob caused? He landed 200k or 100k like you said, i am not sure. All i can remember is that Gustav had to retreat battle after battle and that for a good while our WS went from positive to negative. As i said, at that moment, my army wasnt bigger then 80k at the start of the war (when the OE invaded i had something like 30k-40k only). You on your own had about 40k, with maurice, England sent some small regiments sometimes, and i couldnt kill the turks anyhow.

My luck was that Tonio instructed his Russian sub (in austria) to attack the OE.

Well, you insult me as well, calling me blind, drunk and whatnot so youd have to expect something back and I didnt even say something like those things you wrote.

I didnt mean to insult you, and i dont know how calling someone blind or drunk is an insult btw. There are too many people blind out there and i dont think if i called them blind they would feel insulted. Drunk is another thing, however since i have been drunk many times i dont take it as an insult either.

If i offended you, i beg your pardon, my dear Absolut.

But seriously, i am tired of repeating the same things over and over again, and over and over again. Just to hear the same things over and over again.

I think i still have some saves from MTT, and i will give you the godforsaken logs as soon as possible. I want to put a finish once and for all on this.

About 8 players left MTT... Why do you come pointing your little finger only at me? Specially the one who was ganged by everyone save for China? Surely you must be one of these "Ego-haters". Couldnt care less but please save me the trouble of having to hear you declaring your hate for me.

"Hate speechs" are forbidden by the rules in case you still wanted to declare it btw.

And as you said, you lost 30 provinces, when you had over 100, so you left because you lost. If I were to think like you I would have left History Channel long ago.

Did you ever loose that amount of provinces, in a single war absolut? I honestly doubt that, since you always have a full-hand of people to gang up innocent people like me.

I subbed Sweden that session and you were mighty upset when you didnt get the Netherlands due to the event. After that incident you threatened with leaving if this wasnt edited according to your wishes. When nothing happened you left.

Again your wrong. Please save yourself of writing such posts before seeing, or checking, how things really are - France would never inherit Burgundy via event. Austria would, but as i said, the conditions didnt meet. If you fail to understand how grave this is, i cant say anything else. If you were playing as Austria, and then suddently the OE inherited Hungary despite the trigger not meeting its conditions, would you be happy? Obviously you would.

Nah, I dont wanna go on ICQ now, especially not to talk to you. Well, you insult me as well, calling me blind, drunk and whatnot so youd have to expect something back and I didnt even say something like those things you wrote. Furthermore, I blame you for the departure of Formula, you attacked him consecutively and then he left, thats what he said in the forum and I trust him more than I trust you. Oh, one more thing, I dont trust your posts, taking from my own experience you are altering the posts to fit your arguments and thus I will not use them as a source.

How creative Absolut. I am "altering my posts" to manipute the popular opinion. Sounds like an evil plan! How evil i am. Sadly i forgot my little "gangster" friends, or i would be even more evil. Right Absolut?

First, you never saw me insulting anyone on ICQ. Even when ArmOrAttak started spamming me with a lot of "childish" messages, things i dont want to say, i didnt say a single word to him.

If you fail to see the truth right before your nose, and fail to admit it, then, i cannot force you to do so. I hope you will come to your senses, and then, apologise me for such words. When i lie, which is rarely, it is inside the games. Here i dont have anything to hide from anyone, specially after the games already ended.

Do to others, what you want others to do to you, that would be a fairly good description of why you are getting screwed.

What makes me getting screwed arent my present actions, but my past actions. As Bob pointed out, he always bring old grudges into every game. I, in Poland, was forced to give some cores on Lithuania to Denmark, and then i am ganged by France. What did France get out of this? Revenge from loosing its 3 CoTs in another diferent game.

Bringing old grudges into a game, is no way to play. Everytime i play, i forget everyone's past actions, and play the nation. But as usual, Bad, Bad Ego must be wrong, and Good, Good Absolut must be correct.

If everyone acted like you Absolut, "Do to others, what you want others to do to you", you would be utterly ganged in EVERY game, and annexed afterwards. But hopefully, there are people with ethics on multiplayer mode.

You are quite the player EGO, doing all that, Im really impressed! Now if youd stop bragging itd be nice. If you possessed the tactical genious you say you have, why didnt you take NL from Austria in CfQ, why didnt you win the gang in MTT, why didnt you defeat Austria in BF4 and why didnt you defeat NL in CC3 when you had G2A instead of leaving the majority of those games?

Seriously Absolut, is this a joke? If i gave 1 warship to the best player of eu2 MP in the world, do you think he would be able to defeat 1000 warships, even if these 1000 warships were commanded by the most, pathetic newbie on the face of the world? I hope this phrase will make you understand something... And btw, i didnt leave CC3. I stayed to the very end and utterly crushed your puny, gang-lover nation.

 

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I judged you as bad at diplomacy instead of brand you as untrustworthy. It was easier and i could still see you as a possible companion in other ventures.


I did not view you as an enemy. I viewed you as a potential ally and you let me believe it . Now you come clean and tell me that you played me all along. Im fine with that, but as i said, i wont fall for the trick anymore.


Yet there is always a person behind the nation. Its important to read the players, so that you dont fall for the same traps every time.

i did not plot against u until u made ur "pact" with sweden, before u made ur pact with sweden i tried to make us both neutral has i think i proved many times. U were just plain paranoid about sweden killing u off later and u couldn't get the idea of cooperating with us instead of against us.

before it i was ok with the deal i had with u about the borders we arranged. I remember me asking u why u suddenly plotted with sweden after the game and u said it was either me or sweden and because i choosed german culture in an event and didn't wanna backstab sweden u decided to take me down instead. I wouldn't have attacked u as i wouldn't attacked anyone else around me as i tried to apease everyone around me but that surly was my doom.

 

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Good boy. You like to gang people and do Very Nice things but once people do something like that to you, you cry? And well, i won the war, so i was superior then you in some aspect. And mind you, it was a 4v2 war vs piss-poor scandinavia.

Very nice things? You lost me there. I havent cried for quite a while actually, and I fail to see any reasons to shed a tear now.

I dont like what i did, but when i come to think of it... "Well, i backstabbed one of the biggest "gangsters" of eu2-MP, and a goddamn backstabber as well, after all, he promised not to attack me in MTT or to give provinces back and what did he do in the end?". In a resume, look yourself at the mirror Absolut. You are no one to complain about what i did.

Haha, the biggest gangster in EU2, for the first time in this discussion you actually had me laughing. Im not a backstabber, I keep my words when it comes to people I trust. We agreed on a war in the end of MTT but then you started threatening me and building huge militaries and forts some 50 years before the end game. Naturally I was frightened you would attack me before, especially as you are dishonourable. Ill complain just as much as I want about you, like it or not.

You gang up poor lyko and expect to get on top? Everyone in this forum must know by now that i hate gangs, in general (well as i keep saying, some nations need to gang up, depending of the ocasion).

Well yeah, you just go on and on about it, no wonder everyone knows it.

I can say that your Spain in OF had a pathetically low income, and that wouldnt mean that i was stronger then you... The same applies for the army. When i say someone's army is pathetic, it doesnt mean my army is awesome.

I didnt say it was what you meant, I said that it lead me to think that yours was better.

NL-England-OE-Poland. Sure sure, you still insist on saying that Poland acted on their own, even if they attacked denmark one day after you. Do you have any idea of what the intervention of Bob caused? He landed 200k or 100k like you said, i am not sure. All i can remember is that Gustav had to retreat battle after battle and that for a good while our WS went from positive to negative. As i said, at that moment, my army wasnt bigger then 80k at the start of the war (when the OE invaded i had something like 30k-40k only). You on your own had about 40k, with maurice, England sent some small regiments sometimes, and i couldnt kill the turks anyhow.

The Ottomans left the war in Bremen or Holstein. Perhaps you had a small army but you have a bigger MP pool and an awesome leader. Poland acted on their own, ask Mulli.

I didnt mean to insult you, and i dont know how calling someone blind or drunk is an insult btw. There are too many people blind out there and i dont think if i called them blind they would feel insulted. Drunk is another thing, however since i have been drunk many times i dont take it as an insult either.

If we are to discuss whatever subject you dont ask wether or not your opponent is drunk or blind if you dont mean it as an insult. If you think Im not offended by it you Ill think even less of you.

But seriously, i am tired of repeating the same things over and over again, and over and over again. Just to hear the same things over and over again.

Look whos talking, you have been going on about that 5v2 gang for a good amount of time now and you want to stop me from saying the same stuff over and over again?

I think i still have some saves from MTT, and i will give you the godforsaken logs as soon as possible. I want to put a finish once and for all on this.

I dont care.

About 8 players left MTT... Why do you come pointing your little finger only at me? Specially the one who was ganged by everyone save for China? Surely you must be one of these "Ego-haters". Couldnt care less but please save me the trouble of having to hear you declaring your hate for me.

Formula said it was because of you that he left, thats enough for me.

"Hate speechs" are forbidden by the rules in case you still wanted to declare it btw.

Nice, I fail to see what point youre trying to make though.

Did you ever loose that amount of provinces, in a single war absolut? I honestly doubt that, since you always have a full-hand of people to gang up innocent people like me.

Innocent people like you, right right. Anyhow, Ive lost a bigger percentage of my provinces than you did there. I was attacked by France, Spain and OE in HC and lost 17 provinces I think. 17 provinces as Austria is worse than 30 with Spain. Especially since you are the strongest nation in the game.

Again your wrong. Please save yourself of writing such posts before seeing, or checking, how things really are - France would never inherit Burgundy via event. Austria would, but as i said, the conditions didnt meet. If you fail to understand how grave this is, i cant say anything else. If you were playing as Austria, and then suddently the OE inherited Hungary despite the trigger not meeting its conditions, would you be happy? Obviously you would.

Well, I write from the things that I saw and that were what I said above, I stick to that.

How creative Absolut. I am "altering my posts" to manipute the popular opinion. Sounds like an evil plan! How evil i am. Sadly i forgot my little "gangster" friends, or i would be even more evil. Right Absolut?

Yes, you have done that. I have not done that.

First, you never saw me insulting anyone on ICQ. Even when ArmOrAttak started spamming me with a lot of "childish" messages, things i dont want to say, i didnt say a single word to him.

What does this have to do with anything?

If you fail to see the truth right before your nose, and fail to admit it, then, i cannot force you to do so. I hope you will come to your senses, and then, apologise me for such words. When i lie, which is rarely, it is inside the games. Here i dont have anything to hide from anyone, specially after the games already ended.

My senses are perfectly functioning. I disagree with that, I think you are dishonourable, but hey, who am I to judge?

What makes me getting screwed arent my present actions, but my past actions. As Bob pointed out, he always bring old grudges into every game. I, in Poland, was forced to give some cores on Lithuania to Denmark, and then i am ganged by France. What did France get out of this? Revenge from loosing its 3 CoTs in another diferent game.

Do to others, what you want others to do to you fits quite nicely in here doesnt it?

Bringing old grudges into a game, is no way to play. Everytime i play, i forget everyone's past actions, and play the nation. But as usual, Bad, Bad Ego must be wrong, and Good, Good Absolut must be correct.

I agree, bringing old grudges in to a game isnt good but it is very very hard to only play the nation. If I were to only play the nation I would trust you, and seeing as I dont I cannot say I would play the nation in any game you were in.

If everyone acted like you Absolut, "Do to others, what you want others to do to you", you would be utterly ganged in EVERY game, and annexed afterwards. But hopefully, there are people with ethics on multiplayer mode.

Nah, I dont gang in every game. You must be blind or drunk.

Seriously Absolut, is this a joke? If i gave 1 warship to the best player of eu2 MP in the world, do you think he would be able to defeat 1000 warships, even if these 1000 warships were commanded by the most, pathetic newbie on the face of the world? I hope this phrase will make you understand something... And btw, i didnt leave CC3. I stayed to the very end and utterly crushed your puny, gang-lover nation.

I didnt say you left CC3, I said you left the majority of those games, three of four. I never said an uber player can defeat a noob with those means, what does it have to do with anything?

 

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this is sick...you've been fighting about this as long as I have been a member of this forum...

 

[BurningEGO]

Absolut got logs and info to see who is right or wrong, but he prefers to go on like this... What can i do? i tried to go to Tonio's site but it was down yesterday night... i will see what i can do... and yes bunka, i think its sick as well to keep hearing the same things, things that arent even true btw.

 

[unmerged(49182)]

Absolut got logs and info to see who is right or wrong, but he prefers to go on like this...

I dont have any logs, although it wouldnt be that hard to get some proof.

and yes bunka, i think its sick as well to keep hearing the same things, things that arent even true btw.

How strange, I feel exactly the same!

 

[unmerged(49182)]

Since were both tired of it, shall we end here? If you dont want me to get the last word, write a response to my last post, I wont answer it. Although this discussion is over for me.

 

[BurningEGO]

A small resume from MTT...

        name = "King of Men (Norway) : The Burgundian occupation of Holstein is intolerable!" 
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : Unsupportable!" 
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : It shall not last!"
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : Damn all meteors and superstitious peasants!"
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : lol kom"
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : you are quite a funny guy when you want to be" 
        name = "March 15, 1746 : Norway declared war upon Burgundy." 
        name = "March 17, 1746 : Poland joined the war on the same side as Norway in their war against Burgundy." 
        name = "Nagel (Burgundy) : England, my ally is ghost!!!"
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : Death to the occupiers of Holstein!" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : I didn't get an invitation norway!" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : So what nagel? ;)" 
        name = "Nagel (Burgundy) : Gang on me?"
        name = "Han Tzu 2.0 (China) : jmm" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : Seems like" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : unfortuantely yes." 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : Burgundy attacked Norway when Poland was gone" 
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : I sent Formula an invitation, he didn't get it?" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) :So now, teeth for teeth, and eye for an eye" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : and the world goes blind ;)"
        name = "Han Tzu 2.0 (China) : and thenwe all go lbind ^^"
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : hm" 
        name = "April 10, 1746 : Italy declared war upon Burgundy."
        name = "Saber (Persia) : oh come one :D**" 
        name = "Saber (Persia) : i feel sorry for you, burgundy" 
        name = "Nagel (Burgundy) : No need. Good luck all."
        name = "Nagel (Burgundy) has left the game!" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : Wtf"
        name = "TiredMonky (Poland) : I dont, he ganged me with hungary when I was subbing Italy" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : hm." 
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : Ack!" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : This is, ridiculous"
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : Well, I kind of gotta agree, yeah." 
        name = "Saber (Persia) : my thought exactly" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : I say we AI and take the 7 provs."
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : burgundy did the same lots of times" 
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : No, no, that's not fair to Abs." 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : No, not AI" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : checking ICQ"
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : then what?" 
        name = "Han Tzu 2.0 (China) : oh dear"
......
rehost....
......
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : in" 
        name = "Rokka (Burgundy) : in" 
        name = "Han Tzu 2.0 (China) : in" 
        name = "Saber (Poland) : in" 
        name = "Han Tzu 2.0 (China) : where is bob?" 
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : in" 
        name = "Saber (Poland) : no bob" 
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : Bad Bob! No ghost!" 
        name = "Saber (Poland) : a minute or so" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : he doesnt come and doesnt say anything" 
        name = "Saber (Poland) : i need to see poland :)" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : play 3 days" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : to prevent crashing." 
...
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : oh come on" 
        name = "August 7, 1746 : Friedrich III rose to the throne in Oldenburg." 
        name = "August 7, 1746 : The Holy Roman Empire has elected Friedrich III of Oldenburg as emperor.." 
        name = "August 24, 1746 : England declared war upon Italy." 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : aha" 
        name = "August 27, 1746 : Norway joined the war on the same side as Italy in their war against England." 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : This is funny" 
        name = "August 30, 1746 : Poland joined the war on the same side as Italy and Norway in their war against England." 
        name = "Rokka (Burgundy) : lag in orders" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : lol"
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : going on SLOW" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : england dowed Italy" 
        name = "Rokka (Burgundy) : still not registering it..." 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : shall we rehost, ghost and WP?" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : nah, ai won't do anything"
...
        name = "Rokka (Burgundy) : lol, spain too?" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : dowing your enemies, not you :)" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : Is kom out there?" 
        name = "King of Men (Norway) has left the game!"
......
rehost...
......

        name = "Han Tzu 2.0 (China) : c'mon Spain we all fear you no need to take it all on Italy =(" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : ok spain, I am bent over waiting for you!" 
        name = "Han Tzu 2.0 (China) : there some kind of event im not aware of?" 
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : Eh? What did I do?" 
        name = "Han Tzu 2.0 (China) : 'Spain has laid a claim to the Throne of Norway'" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : comeon now, I'm waiting!" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : haha" 
        name = "Han Tzu 2.0 (China) : never seen that event"
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : The Norwegian Throne is ours! Never marry your daughters with your enemies!" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : To war!" 
        name = "February 3, 1747 : Spain broke the Royal Marriage she had with Norway." 
        name = "February 3, 1747 : Spain declared war upon Norway."
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : Well, I admit I thought Spain was a friend." 
        name = "Han Tzu 2.0 (China) : Formula you have an army dont ya ^^" 
        name = "February 12, 1747 : Burgundy accepted peace with Italy on the following terms : Return to Status Quo." 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : Aha"
        name = "Han Tzu 2.0 (China) : i'm wiered out as well I find this odd" 
        name = "February 17, 1747 : Poland joined the war on the same side as Norway in their war against Spain." 
        name = "February 17, 1747 : Poland broke the Royal Marriage she had with Spain."
        name = "February 21, 1747 : Burgundy accepted peace with Norway on the following terms : Return to Status Quo." 
        name = "Han Tzu 2.0 (China) : how do you claim thrones? I thought you only did that in CK"
        name = "Saber (Poland) : you need royal marriage" 
        name = "Saber (Poland) : and then you can claim throne" 
        name = "Han Tzu 2.0 (China) : ah" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : Are you dishonarable scum Italy?" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : is that all the troops you have?"
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : You didnt get invited to the war or wtf?"
        name = "March 28, 1747 : Italy has revoked our military access." 
        name = "Rokka (Burgundy) : ok, I will leave now, since this is over"
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : Thanks for peacing when i dow your enemies :)"
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : that was really nice" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : absolutely no words on that" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : ok ego, dow me"
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : if you have dowed my allies" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : ah... i dowed your allies" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : may as well dow me" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : if they dont invite you, your problem"
        name = "Rokka (Burgundy) has left the game!" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : no thanks, no more stab hits" 
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : Formula, again you did not get my invitation to the game?" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : well then that's pretty gamey of you, considering I have MA with you" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : I would dow."
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : well, np" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : do what you wish" 
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : Ok, people." 
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : Let's stop here." 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : LOL" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : right when i dow? no thanks"
        name = "Han Tzu 2.0 (China) : finish the war i geuss" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : then accept my WP kom" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : else i may turn too greedy :)"
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : a" 
        name = "April 30, 1747 : Norway accepted our generous peace offer."
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : Ok, ok.
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : ok ego, you are a gamey bastard." 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : Gamey bastard?"
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : you will not revoke the MA so I can dow" 
        name = "Saber (Poland) : ;D" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : Revoke yourself" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : I did" 
        name = "May 29, 1747 : Italy has cancelled the treaty of military access they had in our country." 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : i dont want to get stab hits" 
        name = "Han Tzu 2.0 (China) : hehe" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : ." 
        name = "Saber (Poland) : peace with england?"
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : Would if I could; they reject."
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : Offer them 50 D"
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : Kom, i wanted to be your friend, but with Italy there can be no friendships" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : i should have taken all i could from them" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : go ahead." 
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : As it happens, Ego, I think you have the wrong end of that stick." 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : KoM, offer england 50 D" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : and peace" 
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : They refuse."
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : I have had enough of this game." 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : sigh." 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : Poor Formula" 
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : Ack, Formula, please hear me." " 
        name = "August 25, 1747 : Italy broke the Royal Marriage she had with Spain." 
        name = "August 25, 1747 : Italy declared war upon us!" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : Rofl" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : Wtf is this?"
        name = "August 30, 1747 : Norway joined the war on the same side as Italy in their war against Spain." 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : you want war?"
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : No I don't!" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : Italy dowed me KoM" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : Funny"
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : Yes, I saw." 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : you can join, and WP afterwards" 
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : Ok, let's stop here then."
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : No" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : there is one more hour left" 
...
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : I refuse to stop right when someone dows me" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : and with one hour left" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : offer peace norway." 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : to england" 
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : Bah, the swine reject."
        name = "November 21, 1747 : Tago Fleet has arrived in Tyrrenean Sea." 
        name = "November 23, 1747 : We are attacked by hostile fleets of Italy in Tyrrenean Sea." 
        name = "November 24, 1747 : We won a battle against Italy in Tyrrenean Sea." 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) :There goes your fleet" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : are we going to fight, or are you going to be a pansy" 
        name = "November 29, 1747 : We won a battle against Italy in Straits of Obock." 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : Whatever Formula" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : if you think you can win" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : go ahead" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : i will be harsh if you dont peace now" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : I know I can't"
        name = "December 6, 1747 : Italy accepted peace with England on the following terms : Yorkshire to Norway, Bombay to " 
        name = "Italy & Cabinda to Poland. " 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) :oops, misclick :S" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : And kom, the same aplies to you"
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : would you be at all interested in a pitched battle?" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : I have nothing to get from you" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : you will force me to get unwanted provs"   
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : hooray for pansies." 
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : Ok, enough with the insults." 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : that's right! run away!"
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : come on, fight me!"  
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : damn. I am never going to fight spain"
...
        name = "April 1, 1748 : We captured the province of Veneto from Italy" 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : man ego, you really are a bastard :)"
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : ok, that is it, I have had enough of this game. Badmouth me all you want, I'm out. It was good " 
        name = "playing with some of you." 
        name = "Han Tzu 2.0 (China) : what" 
        name = "Han Tzu 2.0 (China) : no oens bad mouthing you formula" 
        name = "BurningEGO (Spain) : lol..." 
        name = "King of Men (Norway) : Ok, that does it." 
        name = "Saber (Poland) : veneto falls"
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : no, when I quit, people will inevitably say: 'he's a little bitch' etc." 
        name = "Formula51 (Italy) : I could care less if I lose, but this game is lost."
...

Alright Absolut, whos was right and who was wrong? Will you still believe in whatever truth lies in your little head even with the truth in front of your nose?

Aparently Formula didnt like that when he attacked me, i didnt fight any real battle - i just seized veneto, left a fleet to blockade it, seized sicily, sardinia, and left fleets there was well, to blockade it. He couldnt move a finger and was being stab hited in the meanwhile. He decides to leave - so in the next session i am harsh with the sub since the perm was too stuborn.

Now, keep blaming me for something i didnt do! Check who attacked who and see who was speaking the truth! And think twice before calling someone a liar!

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OF STATS (date = 1608)
link = http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...season=Valkyrie.net IX&lang=eng&yearsave=1608



The Evil Side (Bad Ego & Madwardog Drake)

Poland-Lithuania (controlled by the most Detestable, Dishonorable, Ego - not to forget - The Low Life of the game)

Overall MP - 96.9
Total Fleet - 33 warships - 281 galleys - 19 transports (NT 14)
Total Army - 178k Infantry, 54k Cavalry (LT 18)
Monthly income - 166.8
Yearly income - 2546.3

Russia (controlled by "i need to be ganged" Drake)

Overall MP - 311.6
Total Fleet - 11 warships - 374 galleys - 0 transports (NT 12)
Total Army - 295k Infantry, 2k Cavalry (LT 18)
Monthly income - 324.6
Yearly income - 4499.7



TOTAL MP - 408,5
TOTAL FLEET - 718 ships (44 warships - 655 galleys - 19 transports)
TOTAL ARMY - 529k (473k Infantry - 56k Cavalry)
TOTAL MI - 491,4
TOTAL YI - 7046



The Good Side (The Good Honorable "Gangster" Bob - the eu2 El Padrino - & co)

Honorable France (led by the eu2 Padrino - aka Bob)

Overall MP - 241.8
Total Fleet - 3 warships - 41 galleys - 15 transports (NT 11)
Total Army - 282k Infantry, 103k Cavalry (LT 21)
Monthly income - 318.8
Yearly income - 4546.9

Nice Denmark (led by Aladar - another Honorable man who likes to onlimit his enemy nations)

Overall MP - 100.2
Total Fleet - 2 warships - 205 galleys - 11 transports (NT 12)
Total Army - 191k Infantry, 4k Cavalry (LT 19)
Monthly income - 204.3
Yearly income - 2897.5

The Queen of the Seas - England (led by Cobjor - the one who shall be forever remembered for owning mexico)

Overall MP - 55.1
Total Fleet - 256 warships - 436 galleys - 38 transports (NT 21)
Total Army - 152k Infantry, 43k Cavalry (LT 18)
Monthly income - 502.0
Yearly income - 6798.7

Bradenburg (led by Lyko)

Overall MP - 103.2
Total Fleet - 4 warships - 10 galleys - 25 transports (NT 12)
Total Army - 104k Infantry, 60k Cavalry (LT 18)
Monthly income - 118.5
Yearly income - 1820.5

The Netherlands (led by Sander)

Overall MP - 31.4
Total Fleet - 56 warships - 0 galleys - 2 transports (NT 16)
Totaly Army - 48k Infantry - 4k Cavalry (LT 18)
Monthly income - 118.1
Yearly income - 1534.1



TOTAL MP - 531,7 MP
TOTAL FLEET - 1104 ships (321 warships - 692 galleys - 91 transports)
TOTAL ARMY - 981k (777k Infantry - 204 Cavalry)
TOTAL MI - 1261,7
TOTAL YI - 14989,7


There are some notes to be taken - the war did not start at 1608. It started some years later, 1615 IIRC. I believe the
honorable alliance composed of Bob, raised their army above the limit before the dow (well people usually do that), and i
also believe they built their fleet (not sure though). I also think Russia's stationary army was bigger.

Absolut, i will presume i will believe on you, and that Spain and Austria wouldnt enter the war. Even without Spain and Austria
this gang was totaly out of proportions.

Now i go back to the topic in question and ask myself, was it a fair gang? Despite my enemies having more then 2x time my and my allies' economy, a fleet that was way superior, due to massive warships and NT, an army that was more then 2x bigger then ours, and a total MP that was higher then ours. Was it fair Absolut? What does "Fair" mean in your dictionary, if that even exists in there?

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MTT stats (1768)
link - http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...ason=Valkyrie.net VIII&lang=eng&yearsave=1768




The EVIL side (composed by the biggest threat to humankind - Ego)

An empire under the Sun - Spain (led by the dishonorable scum called Ego)

Overall MP - 451
Total Army - 769k Infantry, 90k Cavalry
Monthly income - 1282.1
Yearly income - 16798


The Good side (composed of most fair Bob, honorable Absolut and his excelency, KoM)


The Nordic Serenity - sounds familiar (led by KoM)

Overall MP - 138
Total Army - 412k Infantry, 20k Cavalry
Monthly income - 592.0
Yearly income - 7795.4

England (led by his highness, most honorable, Bob)

Overall MP - 186.9
Total Army - 310k Infantry, 20k cavalry
Monthly income - 763.1
Yearly income - 9519.2

Burgundy (led by the one who honours all his agreements, Absolut)

Overall MP - 342.5
Total Army - 698k Infantry
Monthly income - 783.5
Yearly income - 10006



TOTAL MP - 667,4
TOTAL ARMY - 1620k
TOTAL MI - 2138,5
TOTAL YI - 27320,6


Notes to be taken into acount - i didnt include the navies for a very understandable reason - the war started 15 years later or something like that. My fleet was around 2000, and my enemies' one was around 3000-4000. And by the way, this was a eu2-victoria conversion. England had grotesque population and saved themselves from being ganged - i wonder why. Population? Population is everything in victoria.

But did you care? Friendship always speaks higher doesnt it Absolut? Even if it means ruining an entire game for another player. By whatever means necessary - taking a province that reduced MP by half, and income by 20%, plus 30 other provinces, ganging up with whoever agrees to such, and lastly, break truces after beating the same nation.

And, i am the one who reaches "rock bottom"? Do you have a mirror at home Absolut?

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And lastly, no, i will not stop this. I mean, you put my reputation at stake, calling me a liar, etc etc, and then you want me to hear all that crap and shut up? Just to make the comunity think you are speaking the truth?

P.S. the logs in the MTT stats are all deleted - i wonder why. Anyway i was smart enough to save games after each session. I will try to upload it to the web so that you can check it yourself, since you seem not to believe on me.

 

[BurningEGO]

As you can see, your good friend, Formula, wanted to AI your nation (since there was no player) to get the 7 provinces he wanted.

If it wasnt me to get Rokka to sub, you would have been AIed. But i guess Formula forgot to told you that as well.

 

[unmerged(36826)]

The logs are deleted in games to stop people looking at what the host's private messages are

And of course the gang was fair ego, as Drake managed to win it

And last, what point are you trying to prove? People attack you, often with allies, deal with it.

 

[unmerged(10915)]

this is sick...you've been fighting about this as long as I have been a member of this forum...

This discussion isnt really that heated. Look back at the ones a couple of years (and bans) ago.

 

[BurningEGO]

What point am i trying to prove? Well, you have 2 options to understand that, since i am too tired of repeating it over and over again.

1º check the previous posts where absolut blamed me of something
2º ask your dear absolut what he was blaming me of.

EDITED: well i dont know what winning really is in your dictionary btw. Last time i checked Poland had to give a lot of cores and a big piece of India. As Lyko said - these wars were more against me (ego) rather then my nation or my allies. Although i had Drake as ally, he barely sent any help to me, and focused more on denmark. In the meanwhile i was getting screwed by France, Bradenburg, Denmark, NL and England all at the same time. Fair, of course.