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Sytass, there is a lot of Greek ornaments, Relics even coloumns in Venice. What i can't remember is wether they took them in the crusade or from the Turks later.

The body of St. Mark himself is stolen, but againg I can't remember from whom.

The mosaics as I recall them are very greek inspired, they are however NOT stolen, but build in Venice and they are indeed of gold.

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EDIT, did some checking, the church is indeed"greek" in design and Venetia was once Byzantine. The only factual "steal" I could find however is the four bronze horses on the church, they are indeed stolen on the crusade.
 
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Originally posted by Storey
Dimitrios is one sly dog isn't he? ;)

Joe

No, I happen to know him. He's a very nice person, but some people often misconstrue the meaning behind what he does.

:D
 
St Mark's, if I recall correctly, is built on a 'clover-leaf' design. It is famous in the music world for the music of the Gabrielli family (uncle and nephew) and of Monteverdi. Instrumentalists and singers would be posted in two of the 'clover-leafs', giving an early form of stereophonic music.

Look Here for exterior and interior shots.

Lowell Friesen of the University of Manitoba Singers says,
St. Mark's is the cathedral where poly-choral music got its start, and Lowell explained why it becomes such an amazing experience to sing it there. A cathedral is a huge, open space with a very high ceiling, and it can have from three to five seconds of reverberation. The music of Gabrielli and Monteverdi was written to take advantage of this long echo. When you sing it in a cathedral, the tone that is sung changes before the reverberation dies away, and the new tone interacts with the previous ones to create sounds that are not heard in any other building. The music suddenly makes sense in a whole new way. Add the fact that the walls and ceilings of these cathedrals are covered with priceless works of art, and the aesthetic experience becomes unforgettable.
Matthew Naughtin says,
The sonic experience of hearing multiple choirs of voices and instruments answering each other across the massive interior of the church of San Marco has been compared to the effect of entering St. Mark's Square in Venice and being overwhelmed by the visual impact of the basilica with its oriental arches and domes, the pink-and-white facade of the Doge's Palace and the red brick upthrust of the Campanile.

Sorry about going on at such length!
 
Thanks, Vald, for the clarifications. :)

I've never been to Venice myself, but all I know is that it's not good to travel there in summer because of the smell. Oh, and that the word "ghetto" comes from Venice. And that the Hansa had an office there, but was kept under very close watch by the authorities.
 
Director, Thnaks, no problem, the church is build after a greek fashion, resembling a evensided greek cross from above, except for the west wing that has an extension or entrance build on it at a later stage.

The roof consist of five domes (almost like the ones you see in Greece and russia) instead of the "usual" special form of gothic building that is prevalent in Venice. The small entrance has its own three small domes and a beautifull four horse sculpture, stolen in Constantinople.

Sytass you should go, the smell isn't that bad any more, but the humidity of course is. The worst part is the flooding. Since the late renaissance the water level has changed substantially, both from sinking due to the buildings, increased water level overall, general sinking of the entire alpine basin and the excavations of sealanes in the lagune.

in the 80 it was estimated that the citiy was flooded some 49 day a year, for 2000 (the cential I presume) it is esitmated this number will rise as high as 200 days a year.

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Hey Valdemar, tell Norg to stop smpking that cigarette. It's time to post! :)

Joe
 
*stubs out cigarette and swallows smoke*

I wasn't smoking, Joe... honest! :D

I've got something coming up in the very near future. I think it's a post.
 
Originally posted by Valdemar
Storey, I'll forward the message :) but he is hardly the only one with a slow update frequency, I too am way behind :p Thats what real life and FC do for you :)

V

*shakes fist threateningly*

Update, already, will you? :mad:

Nah, I am not the one to complain. Take your time, and when the update's ready, it's ready. :)
 
Valdemar,

Yeah it has. But to be honest, I wasn't pleased with it. I'm almost done with my CM addiction for a while. Especially since they put the beta out for CM4 for download and I was disappointed with a number of aspects of it. So once I get rid of some of the papers on my plate, I'll probably sit down and start another AAR.
 
Dimitrios knelt down to pray. That would teach the Italians a lesson. Who were they to think they could rob his Constantinople of its sacred relics and get away with it?


Hopefully, the priests and monks would get the subtle message he was passing along. Yet, somehow Dimitrios doubted this. The Latins had lost their capacity of coherent thought centuries ago. Their capacity for in-fighting and meddling in other people’s business was still very much present.


Dimitrios’ mind wandered. Maybe it was a sin not to concentrate fully on the act of praying, yet when praying in the stone rubble that passed for a church in the Latin lands, it would not be as much of a sin, Dimitrios reasoned.


He finished his prayers and decided to leave the church. A crowd had gathered, including Benedict and the two Varangian children. Why on Earth they were here, Dimitrios did not know. He nodded at them, and on an impulse, winked at Benedict.


Outside, a Latin priest was discussing something with one of the Doge’s lackeys. Dimitrios went up and greeted the priest.

“I notice that you are taking good care of the relics liberated by the Crusaders, brother”

“Pardon?”

“I commend you on your excellent work, my son”. Dimitrios sounded just as condescending as he liked to do.


Dimitrios returned to his quarters to rest. It was such a foreign land. The lice still bothered him. He considered cutting his beard off. That would be folly. Much of his authority lay in his beard.

What annoyed him most, the Venetians or the lice, was hard to tell.
 
Chapter two, part IV

The three Greeks had a pleasant meal at the small but exquisite tavern and Sif and Arn couldn’t help but notice the small but subtle steam of messages that reached Benedict while they where here. He led more than one short but hushed conversation with the owner of the tavern and a number of small messages where either handed to him or spoken to his ear by the waiter.

At one such occasion Arn and Sif exchanged a short glance and Sif shook her head. They had originally decided to ask Benedict help them find the receiver of Svend’s message, but the very clear evidence of his true vocation and the snippets of conversation with the ambassador made them wonder if the idea had as much merit as it had appeared to this morning.

Once the was finished the trio continued their tour through the city, benedict hired a small boat to take them down Grand Canal, but he quickly noticed that the young couple seemed fidgety over something.

He sighed and decided to grab the bull by the horn, “I know you shouldn’t have heard anything this morning, but trust me, it is nothing ominous, merely something the ambassador dislikes because it has the potential of making his life more complicated in the city after we leave.”

Arn and Sif glanced at each other, “Oh, that’s not it, Benedict.” Sif made a dismissive gesture with her hand.

The older man smiled, “No? Then what, ever since the meal you two haven’t said to connected sentences and you are as focused as a drunken Varangian.” He smiled to take the sting of his words.

Arn smiled, he had taken no offense and Stefano had said to trust the man. “Its just that we couldn’t help noticing all the coming and going in the tavern.”

“Ah well, yes, that is indeed a place of work for me. Or at least the place they know that I work.” He smiled to himself.

Sif tried a different approach, “You see we would like to go out into the city ourselves, we do not wish to take any more of your time.”

Arn continued, “I think we can take care of ourselves, just drop us of somewhere, Sif speaks Italian and I speak Latin, we can manage.” He felt his father’s letter burning under his clothes.

“Yes, but they will still cut your throat and take your money in the wrong quarters, whether you can talk with them or not. Just let me guide you for today, tomorrow we can see if we can find somebody else to accompany you.”

Sif nodded, Benedict was probably right, though she could see that Arn still wanted to find that man for his father. “Benedict, Stefano said we could trust you.” She disregarded the angry look Arn shot her and looked at Benedict with what she hoped was wide innocent eyes.

Benedict smiled crookedly, “did he now? And what were you supposed to trust me with?”

She grinned, “I don’t know our lives, our secrets, perhaps?”

Arn scowled and said nothing. Benedict grinned back at the young woman, “well as I’ve told your husband, your life is safe with me, for now, your secrets? Who knows, but i did see Svend giving a letter to Arn. I presume you want to deliver that soon?”

Arn sighed and gave up, there was no hiding it from that man, at least not yet. “Yes, that’s the deal, I’m to deliver the letter and talk to him personally.”

“I assume you will not tell me who it is?”

“Well, if you are to guide us to his residence, then I guess I have little choice.”

“Well?”

“He is a soldier, he lives behind Piazza del Marco,” Arn gave the name of the street.

“And his name?”

Arn looked to his wife, she shrugged and nodded slightly, “ Carmagnola, Francesco Bussone da Carmagnola”

Benedict looked startled, “Carmagnola? Here? In Venice? How on earth did Svend get that name? No wonder he gave the message to you and not to anybody else.” He sat silently for a while, then he looked at the young couple, “this may be more difficult than you anticipated, Carmagnola is a very, how to put it, interesting man, so he will be watched, by good number of people, but actually I thought he had a small palace near Canal Grande, so perhaps Svend knows something I don’t. At least the address you mention doesn’t ring a bell.” He fell silent again, lost in contemplation.

Arn looked smug on his father’s behalf, the old rascal had unwittingly upstaged the local head of intelligence.

Benedict looked up, “I think we’ll do this, we’ll sail home to the palace, I’ll need to confer shortly with Stefanos,” he held up a hand, “don’t worry, not about this. I think this needs to stay between the three of us for the moment.”

Both nodded in accept.

“Then we’ll leave the embassy and try to loose the casual tale we have,” he smiled at their surprised expressions, “mind you, that will mean that they will watch us all the more rigorously in the future.”

Both nodded again and Benedict shouted to the boatman to take them to the dock near the embassy.

Once at the embassy Benedict went to look for Stefano and told the young couple to wait in the garden.

“Do you think we did the right thing?” Arn was having second thoughts.

“Sif didn’t answer right away.

“Sif?”

“Yes, I think we can trust your father and Stefano to tell us if he cannot be trusted. Stefano said he could be trusted for the moment.”

“You’re right and I don’t think we have a choice. I wonder what is so special about this Carmagnola. Benedict seemed to know something about him. Isn’t a condottiere just another word for mercenary?”

“Well, it means leader in Italian, but I think you’re right. They have a tradition for this here in the northern Italy, just like we do, except, they use them differently I think.”

Arn shrugged, he didn’t know very much about Italian politics and the warfare between city-states.

Benedict came into the garden, looking pleased with him self.

“So. Let’s see what we can do about our tail.”
 
Carmagnola? Isn't that where a certain spearmint comes from? ;)

Great installment, and the story keeps getting more intriguing. :)
 
Sytass, :D

Actually Carmagnola is a real person, I was going to put this short bio up last night but the server kept being busy:rolleyes:

This is why I considered him possibly persona non grata in Venice in 1420. I have no intention of playing this historically in any way, but this was to good an option to pass up :D

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Chapter two, part V

Slipping out of the embassy area turned out to be easy and Arn got the distinct impression that Benedict had done this numerous times in an equal number of places.

They had simply jumped onto the cart of a local deliveryman as he made his rounds with fresh supplies for the embassy. Since no one expected them to do this, Benedict had explained, then it would be easy. Next time however they would probably stop the cart on some pretense and find out where he had dropped them of.

Benedict continued his lecture, from now on, they had to take for granted that they would be followed, they had slipped their tail on purpose and that put them in the same category as him albeit on a smaller scale.

“In short, your innocence will be gone.” He had concluded his lecture with a smile, but the underlying serious tone was not easy to dismiss.

Now they walked through the streets behind the Piazza, there clothes covered by newly acquired cloaks, despite the sun. As they neared the house named on the envelope, Benedict slowly gave his orders.

“We continue past the house, don’t look at it, I’ll check for any signs of guards or people watching the house. We’ll go to that tavern over there and get refreshments while we wait.”

The young couple didn’t respond, but did as he suggested. Once seated at the tavern with a watered down wine, they looked quizzically at Benedict.

“There is at least two guards, one obvious, one less so, presumably placed there by the owner of the house. Then there is one shadow possibly from the Council of Ten; I guess they know he has this safe house and want to know who visits.”

“So?”

“Well, we need to find a way to distract him. I certain that no good will come of it if either of us are seen entering this house.”

“Well, the least subtle way is to remove the shadow, that has the drawback that he’ll know something has happened, but most likely he will be unable to tell who actually went inside. This will require that the owner of the house has a secondary exit and that you find another way of communicating in the future.”

“And the alternative?” Sif disliked the idea of showing your hand this early and closing the door on using that trick in the future.

“The alternative is to make him think nobody entered, but I cannot say for sure if it works. He may play along just to make you believe you got away with it.”

Arn felt his head spinning with all those plans within plans, but Sif nodded in understanding, perhaps my father is right, I will be a better soldier. He smiled to himself, his father would have loved that admission.

“I prefer the subtle method.” Sif looked expectantly at Benedict.

The older man looked thoughtful, “How certain are you that you will be allowed to enter right away?”

“Why?”

“Well, if they need to get permission inside first, then we’ll be standing in that doorway for a while.”

“We don’t know, we don’t even know if he is here.”

“Oh, somebody is here, otherwise there would be no guards.” Benedict rose, “wait here for me, I’m going to see if I can find somebody to entangle with that shadow and by us some time.” He left unhurriedly and the two young Greeks just sat there uncertain as to what to do.

Benedict returned some time later with a small smile, “This is almost like in my youth. I’ve made certain that our friend over there suddenly gets a lot to see to.”

Almost on cue a small group of artisans appear on the small Piazza ostensibly embroiled in an argument. They crossed the small square and headed in directly towards the presumed shadow, a man disguised as a vendor, but without any customers. At fist the vendor disregarded the small group, but as they came closer and began blocking his view and at the same time escalated their argument into shouting, he started to fidget and tried moving his cart to the side.

For some reason the argument only got louder as he tried to go around it and within a few moments it had escalated to a full blown fight engulfing both the fake trader and his cart. Benedict smiled and dropped a few coins on the table.

“Come on, this looks like a lively neighborhood, let’s see if we can get inside before we get entangled in that mess.”

Arn grinned as they rose and quickly skirted the square and made their way to the house. Before they got there, Benedict noticed that the poor trader had been hit hard and was lying unconscious on the ground.

As they reached the house the guard stepped out of the shadow of the doorway. “Do you have any business here?” he was polite, but the meaning was clear, get out of the way, unless you have a very good excuse.

Benedict smiled, “I believe my young friend here has a message for your master.”

The guard merely looked at Arn, who produced the letter, the guard took one look, “you got the wrong place, if I recall correctly, this man has a palace by the Canal Grande, but as I understand he is not very popular here, he is the condottiere for Milan if I recall.”

Arn looked disappointed, but Benedict held up his hand. “Perhaps you can ask inside, if anybody knows the exact address then, these to have come all the way from Constantinople to see him.”

The guard nodded reluctantly and started to turn back towards the door, when Benedict interrupted again, “perhaps you could allow us to wait inside?” He shot a meaningful glance at the now broken up fight and the unconscious man on the ground.

The guard nodded grudgingly and signaled something to somebody in the square, Benedict pretended not to notice and they all entered the blissful shadow beyond the door.

Once inside they were shown to a small anteroom sparingly but beautifully furnished with a set of double doors leading out to a small courtyard filled with small trees and exotic plants in huge pots. They settled down to wait in the breeze near the door, but they had hardly been sitting for a moment before the small door where the guard had disappeared opened again and a small slender Italian man entered along side the guard. The soldier silently passed them on his way to his post and the small man quickly crossed the room.

“Welcome all, sorry to have kept you waiting. The master of the house is unfortunately occupied at the moment, I am Angelo d’Urbino, his aid.”

The man greeted all of them and as he greeted Arn, the young Greek looked into his eyes and knew, just knew that this man was a soldier and a very good one at that. He couldn’t explain, later, why he had been so certain, but as they went through the door into the interior of the house, he knew this man was the lieutenant of Carmagnola and not just an aid, but also an experienced soldier.

D’Urbino led them through the building to yet another room adjoining yet another garden, a rare luxury in the small space on the Venetian isles. Here he made sure they were all comfortable and called for waiters to provide refreshments before he withdrew again to find Carmagnola.
 
Chapter two, part VI

Once the servants had withdrawn and the fine wine sampled Arn looked at Benedict,

“That man, d’Urbino, he is no ordinary aid, he is a soldier.”

Benedict nodded, “you noticed too?”

“Yes, something in his eyes, he has seen battle, cheated death or whatever you wish to call it. I’ve seen at some of my father’s guests, the old ones who survived the Turkish invasions and the young ones from the border forts.”

Benedict nodded again, “I’ve heard of this one, he is indeed a soldier and if the stories are anything to go by, a very good one. I just wonder what he is doing here.”

Sif leaned forward, for once the one who was inexperienced, “what about him?”

“Nothing much, he is from south of here, north of Apulia. He has gained a reputation as a very good soldier; a leader of men on his way up, my guess is that he is no more than a few years senior to Arn. I don’t know what he is doing here, I hadn’t heard that he had joined Carmagnola, though with Italian troops and politics you’d never know for sure.”

“And?”

“Nothing much, I was also somewhat surprised to hear that Carmagnola was around, last time I really heard of him he was fighting for Milan.”

They fell silent again, not wishing to discuss the implications of that, while still in the general’s house.

Their wait was soon over, the man known to them as Angelo d’Ubertino reemerged from somewhere inside the house, this time accompanied by an older man. The trio rose to greet him, but he waved them down and proceeded to nod at Benedict.

“Signor Benedict, an honor to finally make your acquaintance, I’ve heard a lot about you from my Venetian friends over the last couple of years.” Benedict smiled at the remark and nodded his thanks, Carmagnola turned toward Arn,

“And you, young man, must be the son of my old friend. It has been way to many years since I last saw him or your fair city, and this must be your wife.” He turned and bowed to Sif, who smiled back.

“Now I’m sure, that whatever message your father has for me is of utmost importance, but please allow Angelo here to abduct Benedict, I think we may have mutual interests.” And with that subtle move he gave Arn a chance to deliver his message without Benedict overhearing. The older Greek graciously allowed himself to be led away to another room by Angelo while Carmagnola led the young couple into the garden.

For a moment they merely strolled in the garden, Arn and Sif respectfully waiting for their host to open up the conversation, but Carmagnola seemed reluctant to break the silence. Sif discreetly studied the man they had gone through all that trouble to meet.

He was older than Benedict, perhaps late thirties, same age as Svend, with a decidedly Italian look. Not short, but perhaps a bit stocky and with a square face. He looked calm and determined and Sif could understand why he was a commander of men, he had that charisma that most successful leaders have, but at the same time she more felt than saw a trace of ruthlessness and perhaps scheming, a little like the quality she had felt in Stefano and Benedict. She was certain those three would enjoy each other’s company.

Carmagnola stopped under an almond tree and turned toward Arn, “so your father send you with a message he couldn’t trust on paper.” It wasn’t a question, more a statement. “The letter only confirmed who you were, it didn’t mention your wife, or that trouble maker, Benedict.” He smiled to show he held no grudge in the matter.

“I haven’t read it, but he said to deliver to you, or wait for you, in case you were not in the city and then only tell the request to you personally.”

“I wonder how he knew I would be here? I remember giving him this address, but didn’t really expect him to use it, or rather have a need for it.”

The walked a bit further, enjoying the shadows and the relative cool. “So, what is it he want? Some things I can imagine that the Empire needs, I cannot grant, however much I would like to.”

Arn took a deep breath, “I’m sorry my lord, is there any chance, you could describe my father’s ring for me, so that I will know it is you and that you indeed have met my father?”

Carmagnola didn’t answer at first, then he looked closely at Arn, “your father didn’t ask you that did he?”

Arn shook his head.

“It was wise of you to think of it, but since Benedict already vouched for me, or rather didn’t object, this would seem a moot point?”

Arn was slowly turning red around the ears, but Carmagnola merely smiled, “I don’t fault you, mind you, I thought is was prudent of you. Let’s see, his ring? I’m not sure I remember all of it. If I remember correctly, it has a flat oblong surface on which is engraved an orthodox cross under a small ship of an unusual design and an eagle. The band is decorated with some very curious snake like designs and perhaps, I’m not sure some sort of writing?”

“That’s the one, he doesn’t show it to anybody on purpose, so unless you pay attention to details, or he deliberately showed you, then you wouldn’t know. Except...” Arn looked dubious.

“That there isn’t any eagle,” Carmagnola finished the sentence for him. “Alright then, now that we have established that I am who I claim to be, I needed proof of your identity.”

“Oh, I hadn’t thought about that, I actually thought that the letter took care of that?”

“It did, I have no reason to doubt you, Benedict serves to prove that you are indeed Greek, unless he is trying to pull some sort of plot on me.” Carmagnola grinned, “It is getting a little tiresome, but in principle you could be an imposter trying to get some sort of advantage.”

“So,” Carmagnola turned serious, “what is it your father needs so badly that he cannot use regular channels?”

Arn steeled himself, now it had to count. “Men, he needs men.”

The condottiere sighed, “I was afraid of that. He fears Turkish incursion is eminent?”

“I don’t think so, as far as I know, they haven’t negated on their treaties yet, all I know is the talk of the Duchy of Athens.”

“Yes, they have found new allies. Here in Italy, I cannot help you there, not now, how many men does he need?” Carmagnola looked speculatively as if he was thinking about something else at the same time. “Mind you I know I owe him everything, but I cannot spare my troops for that long, not now or in any foreseeable future and what ever fresh troops I could levy or hire I will most likely need myself.”

“Oh no, you misunderstand he has no urgent need for troops, his plans are more far-reaching. He needs instructors, experienced sergeants, veterans and officers that can help him train his own men.”

“The guard? That is some of the finest close combat fighters I’ve ever seen, far better than most of my own troops.”

“I don’t think it is the guard, but I truly do not know, but to answer your question, he needs infantry tactics, larger groups of men working in unison, he cannot wait until whatever new ideas crop up here in Italy percolate down to us.”

“I see, but that will be equally hard to be without, I cannot run my army without my sergeants and I cannot train my troops without instructors.”

Arn looked downcast fearing he had failed his task on the second day in Venice, but the soldier continued. “Don’t despair just yet, let me give it a couple of days thought and I’ll let you know, I may be getting out of town for a while, but I will use Angelo, whom you have both met, as go between. He’ll know how to contact you or Benedict without the Doge knowing.”

“Benedict doesn’t know the content of my message.”

“Really? Your father keeps his plans close then.” Arn felt that the older man didn’t quite believe that Benedict could be kept in the dark, but he thought that if anything, then Benedict most likely thought the same as Carmagnola him self. That Arn had asked for regular troops.

“Alright, I’ll make sure he only contacts you, or if need be leaves message with Benedict on how you can get in contact with him. In the future, do not return to this house, I will see you before you go back if all goes well, but not here.”

Arn nodded in understanding and the small impromptu meeting boiled down to pleasant stories about the time Carmagnola was young and Arn never got around to figuring out why he had been in Constantinople or what he had done together with his father.