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What's the check sum, I'll join in if you guys want. The patch fixed the issues I had with the game.
You can pick any country not listed on our country list on the first post. Everything you need to know about the campaign is listed there. I encourage you and anyone else looking to join to familiarize themselves with our victory conditions listed on the first post.
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Yahoo Messenger
Panther, we use yahoo messenger to chat if the game crashes and for conducting diplomacy during the week, so you'll want to download it if you can. Let us know your screen name so we can add you.
Panther, we use yahoo messenger to chat if the game crashes and for conducting diplomacy during the week, so you'll want to download it if you can. Let us know your screen name so we can add you.
Session 4 Complete
I would like to thank everyone who participated in tonight's 4th installment of the Pyrric Victory Campaign. Tonight's session was full of conflict. Carthage was on the receiving end of most of it. Armenia is almost gone, and the Yellow blob continues to grow.
Next Wednesday is Christmas Eve so if you guys want to squeeze in a game next week perhaps we could do it before everyone leaves for Christmas. Monday, Tuesday? Everyone post your opinions on this. And don't forget to post your AAR's too. I'll put mine up tommorrow, pictures and all. And the campaign map has been updated as well.
I would like to thank everyone who participated in tonight's 4th installment of the Pyrric Victory Campaign. Tonight's session was full of conflict. Carthage was on the receiving end of most of it. Armenia is almost gone, and the Yellow blob continues to grow.
Next Wednesday is Christmas Eve so if you guys want to squeeze in a game next week perhaps we could do it before everyone leaves for Christmas. Monday, Tuesday? Everyone post your opinions on this. And don't forget to post your AAR's too. I'll put mine up tommorrow, pictures and all. And the campaign map has been updated as well.
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Next Session on Tuesday
I vote for next Tuesday. Monday would be ok too. But not both, I don't think Carthage could survive back to backs.
I vote for next Tuesday. Monday would be ok too. But not both, I don't think Carthage could survive back to backs.
Tuesday Night Fight Club
As it stands right now, I can do Tuesday night at 5:30 pm.
P.S. - By the way I can't seem to download the save? How do I work with a .rar file?
As it stands right now, I can do Tuesday night at 5:30 pm.
P.S. - By the way I can't seem to download the save? How do I work with a .rar file?
Is there any space for new players? I know the game has started already but i'd like to try MP and maybe learn something new. Monday and tuesday both are good for me. Just tell me wheter there is space or not, and i'll pick a free country and join up at given time.
That's fine. Make sure to read our victory conditions on the first post.
What kind of file should i make it? I made the save game a rar file before and you were able to use it right?
Rome 515-527 AVC
"Sheltonious Approaches"
In the year 515 the Roman Consul Sheltonious met with the Carthaginian High General. Sheltonious made it clear that Rome was fully aware of Carthage's weakened state. Sheltonious offered to spare Carthage's recovering armies in exchange for Panormus and Balares to be quickly ceded in a short war. Rome would also offer peace for the rest of the 4th session. The Carthaginian High General agreed, what choice did he have?
The Romans only offered the deal so they could make this a swift war. Rome's primary objective for the 4th session was to gain new lands while being able to build a strong manpower reserve at the same time. So the deal had been made. Carthage even obliged Rome's request for them to initiate the war since Rome did not have a Causi Belli. Carthage declared war and it had begun.
Panormus and Balares fell quickly and Sheltonious thought this would be the shortest war in Roman history. But the senate had other ideas. They rejected Carthage's peace offer which included the two provinces. The senate demanded that Carthage itself be sacked. Being a Consul, and subservient to the senate, Sheltonious had no choice. He assembled the Roman 1st army group and landed in the capital.
The Carthaginian capital fell to the Romans but that was not enough for the military faction dominated senate. The senate demanded more fighting. After Sheltonious had occupied half of Carthage then he was able to convince the senate it was time for peace. A peace offer was sent for the original two provinces requested and Carthage quickly accepted.
"Roman Expansion"
After the war with Carthage Rome began its expansion into Gaul and northern Iberia. Canatbri was seized before the Carthaginians could take it for themselves. The former ally Massilia had long since canceled its tribute to their Roman masters. They again refused Rome's generous offer to accept Massilia's tribute and again paid for it with their provinces.
Arverni was the largest of the Galic tribes and had colonized a border province of Rome. The senate viewed this tribe as a potential threat, and also a good place to start Rome's galic expansion. The campaign against the Arverni was swift and after a quick occupation they ceded all their provinces except their capital. Rome had established its dominance over the western mediterranean.
"The End of Carthage"
In September 527 Rome stands ready for their second major campaign against Carthage. With the peace deal expired Roman generals now plan for their next great offensive. Carthage has been weakened by years of war with both Rome and Egypt and themselves. Their fleets battered and armies destroyed there is little they can do to turn back the coming tide. Carthage's only hope now is diplomacy. The Romans can be bought, for the right price.
"Sheltonious Approaches"
In the year 515 the Roman Consul Sheltonious met with the Carthaginian High General. Sheltonious made it clear that Rome was fully aware of Carthage's weakened state. Sheltonious offered to spare Carthage's recovering armies in exchange for Panormus and Balares to be quickly ceded in a short war. Rome would also offer peace for the rest of the 4th session. The Carthaginian High General agreed, what choice did he have?
The Romans only offered the deal so they could make this a swift war. Rome's primary objective for the 4th session was to gain new lands while being able to build a strong manpower reserve at the same time. So the deal had been made. Carthage even obliged Rome's request for them to initiate the war since Rome did not have a Causi Belli. Carthage declared war and it had begun.
Panormus and Balares fell quickly and Sheltonious thought this would be the shortest war in Roman history. But the senate had other ideas. They rejected Carthage's peace offer which included the two provinces. The senate demanded that Carthage itself be sacked. Being a Consul, and subservient to the senate, Sheltonious had no choice. He assembled the Roman 1st army group and landed in the capital.
The Carthaginian capital fell to the Romans but that was not enough for the military faction dominated senate. The senate demanded more fighting. After Sheltonious had occupied half of Carthage then he was able to convince the senate it was time for peace. A peace offer was sent for the original two provinces requested and Carthage quickly accepted.
"Roman Expansion"
After the war with Carthage Rome began its expansion into Gaul and northern Iberia. Canatbri was seized before the Carthaginians could take it for themselves. The former ally Massilia had long since canceled its tribute to their Roman masters. They again refused Rome's generous offer to accept Massilia's tribute and again paid for it with their provinces.
Arverni was the largest of the Galic tribes and had colonized a border province of Rome. The senate viewed this tribe as a potential threat, and also a good place to start Rome's galic expansion. The campaign against the Arverni was swift and after a quick occupation they ceded all their provinces except their capital. Rome had established its dominance over the western mediterranean.
"The End of Carthage"
In September 527 Rome stands ready for their second major campaign against Carthage. With the peace deal expired Roman generals now plan for their next great offensive. Carthage has been weakened by years of war with both Rome and Egypt and themselves. Their fleets battered and armies destroyed there is little they can do to turn back the coming tide. Carthage's only hope now is diplomacy. The Romans can be bought, for the right price.
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Session 5
Everyone has confirmed that they are available for Tuesday so we will shift our game night to Tuesday at the usual time of 5:30pm GMT-6 because of the holidays.
Everyone has confirmed that they are available for Tuesday so we will shift our game night to Tuesday at the usual time of 5:30pm GMT-6 because of the holidays.
I think so, but for some reason I couldn't this time?? I'll try again. Oh wait, I see you mad a .zip file, I will try this. It should work.
AAR Egypt 513 - 527 AVC
In the year 513, Egypt's long Civil War with the Rebels was at a stalemate. Therefore, it was time for diplomats and reasonable men to intervene. After several all night negotiation sessions, Egypt's finest men emerged with a document that laid the future for a newly reunited Egypt. Rather than waste time settling old scores, all land was returned to its rightful owners, and the two armies were merged together into a new streamlined fighting force.
The new leader that emerged was Therapon Setnid of the pretigous Setnid family. Therapon's first objective was to reorganize the nation's armed forces. Weak militia units were sent to garrison Crete, Rhodes, and Cyprus, or disbanded, while newly raised heavy infanty and elephant units were added to the remaining armies. Furthermore, the finest generals and admirals were recruited from both sides of the former enemy armies and appointed to lead the ranks.
Therapon Setnid's reign was short, and he was succeeded by his son Lydiadas Setnid in the year 518. Lydiadas was quickly briefed on current foreign affairs, especially about Carthage's agreement to cede two provinces upon Rome's demands at the onset of war. Unwilling to simply sit on the sidelines and watch one neighboring Empire be replaced by another, but more importantly, sensing that Carthage must be in a weakened state due to its willingness to cede territory so easily, Egypt shocked the ancient world and declard its own war on Carthage, shortly after their war with Rome.
However, Egypt's war with Carthage was not unjustified. Not long ago, during Egypt's long Civil War, Carthage took advantage of and attacked the people of Greek Cyrenaica, who had declared their independence from the Egyptian Rebels. They joined this war after the Egyptians, and seized the original Egyptian core provinces of Cyrene and Cyrenaica. Therefore, Lydiadas Setnid took his country to war, not to send Carthage back to the Stone Age (because a weak Carthage was not in their best interest), but rather to simply regain these lost provinces. However, Carthage would prove to be a stubborn opponent, and insist on a fight to the death. Unfortunately for them, it was Carthage that would do the great majority of the dying.
The First War with Carthage began simple enough. Egypt shifted three armies to its western border and attacked en masse with two armies acting as an iron fist, with the third in reserve. Not expecting an attack, Carthage's small force was swept aside and the provinces were swifty occupied and seized. True to his word, Lydiadas Setnid offered peace in return for the two provinces, but his reasonable demands were denied. Thus, he had no choice but to order his army to continue advancing westward. The three armies occupied and laid seige to territory after territory on their way to the capital City of Carthage, and defeated all armies in their path. (see below screenshot of the Egyptian advance)
After an annoying invansion of Crete by a small Carthaginian force, a major naval battle erupted between the two fierce navies. Both navies numbered approximately 50 ships, however, Egypt had the advantage in leadership skill. After the exchange of numerous blows, Egypt felt it was losing the battle and retreated, only to lose a couple ships. They would remain in port and seek repairs then return to the seas once again for the anticipated rematch. This time things would go more their way, and rather then retreat, the Carthaginian Captain remained in the fight til the end and left with only a few ships believed to be in the single digits. On the flip side, Egypt had sustained only 3 or 4 losses.
Now with both the sea and land securred, victory was certain. However, now due to the war's escalating costs, Egypt demanded the additional province of Corniclanum, while Carthage was only willing to return one territory. Thus, the war again continued.
After paying a small amount of gold to the Numidians, Carthage's ally, to leave the fight, Carthage had no more cards to play. However, Egypt's battle would no longer be fought on the front lines with the Carthaginians, but with peasant revolts, disloyal governors, disloyal generals, and an unpopular ruler at home. In fact, Lydiadas Setnid's approval rating was at zero percent, and the country was on the verge of another civil war! This could not be tolerated, so Egypt reduced it's demand to the orignal two provinces and Carthage finally capitulated. (see screenshots below of the unpopular Lydiadas Setnid and the current state of the empire)
Now, Lydiadas Setnid is left with the task of bringing a nation and it's rich generals back together again. Furthermore, a whole generation of men was wiped out and must be replenished. Not to mention, a yellow giant, the Great Seleucid Empire continues to devour nations to the North and grow larger and larger every day. Although formally an ally of Egypt, the Egyptians are beginning to fear that the arrangement is one of convenience rather than substance. As for the Romans, diplomacy reigns as the two nations seem to have good communication, and seem to be able to solve their differences with words, rather than with swords. Only time will tell how long this will and can continue.
In the year 513, Egypt's long Civil War with the Rebels was at a stalemate. Therefore, it was time for diplomats and reasonable men to intervene. After several all night negotiation sessions, Egypt's finest men emerged with a document that laid the future for a newly reunited Egypt. Rather than waste time settling old scores, all land was returned to its rightful owners, and the two armies were merged together into a new streamlined fighting force.
The new leader that emerged was Therapon Setnid of the pretigous Setnid family. Therapon's first objective was to reorganize the nation's armed forces. Weak militia units were sent to garrison Crete, Rhodes, and Cyprus, or disbanded, while newly raised heavy infanty and elephant units were added to the remaining armies. Furthermore, the finest generals and admirals were recruited from both sides of the former enemy armies and appointed to lead the ranks.
Therapon Setnid's reign was short, and he was succeeded by his son Lydiadas Setnid in the year 518. Lydiadas was quickly briefed on current foreign affairs, especially about Carthage's agreement to cede two provinces upon Rome's demands at the onset of war. Unwilling to simply sit on the sidelines and watch one neighboring Empire be replaced by another, but more importantly, sensing that Carthage must be in a weakened state due to its willingness to cede territory so easily, Egypt shocked the ancient world and declard its own war on Carthage, shortly after their war with Rome.
However, Egypt's war with Carthage was not unjustified. Not long ago, during Egypt's long Civil War, Carthage took advantage of and attacked the people of Greek Cyrenaica, who had declared their independence from the Egyptian Rebels. They joined this war after the Egyptians, and seized the original Egyptian core provinces of Cyrene and Cyrenaica. Therefore, Lydiadas Setnid took his country to war, not to send Carthage back to the Stone Age (because a weak Carthage was not in their best interest), but rather to simply regain these lost provinces. However, Carthage would prove to be a stubborn opponent, and insist on a fight to the death. Unfortunately for them, it was Carthage that would do the great majority of the dying.
The First War with Carthage began simple enough. Egypt shifted three armies to its western border and attacked en masse with two armies acting as an iron fist, with the third in reserve. Not expecting an attack, Carthage's small force was swept aside and the provinces were swifty occupied and seized. True to his word, Lydiadas Setnid offered peace in return for the two provinces, but his reasonable demands were denied. Thus, he had no choice but to order his army to continue advancing westward. The three armies occupied and laid seige to territory after territory on their way to the capital City of Carthage, and defeated all armies in their path. (see below screenshot of the Egyptian advance)
After an annoying invansion of Crete by a small Carthaginian force, a major naval battle erupted between the two fierce navies. Both navies numbered approximately 50 ships, however, Egypt had the advantage in leadership skill. After the exchange of numerous blows, Egypt felt it was losing the battle and retreated, only to lose a couple ships. They would remain in port and seek repairs then return to the seas once again for the anticipated rematch. This time things would go more their way, and rather then retreat, the Carthaginian Captain remained in the fight til the end and left with only a few ships believed to be in the single digits. On the flip side, Egypt had sustained only 3 or 4 losses.
Now with both the sea and land securred, victory was certain. However, now due to the war's escalating costs, Egypt demanded the additional province of Corniclanum, while Carthage was only willing to return one territory. Thus, the war again continued.
After paying a small amount of gold to the Numidians, Carthage's ally, to leave the fight, Carthage had no more cards to play. However, Egypt's battle would no longer be fought on the front lines with the Carthaginians, but with peasant revolts, disloyal governors, disloyal generals, and an unpopular ruler at home. In fact, Lydiadas Setnid's approval rating was at zero percent, and the country was on the verge of another civil war! This could not be tolerated, so Egypt reduced it's demand to the orignal two provinces and Carthage finally capitulated. (see screenshots below of the unpopular Lydiadas Setnid and the current state of the empire)
Now, Lydiadas Setnid is left with the task of bringing a nation and it's rich generals back together again. Furthermore, a whole generation of men was wiped out and must be replenished. Not to mention, a yellow giant, the Great Seleucid Empire continues to devour nations to the North and grow larger and larger every day. Although formally an ally of Egypt, the Egyptians are beginning to fear that the arrangement is one of convenience rather than substance. As for the Romans, diplomacy reigns as the two nations seem to have good communication, and seem to be able to solve their differences with words, rather than with swords. Only time will tell how long this will and can continue.
Carthage 515 - 527 AVC: The Time of Two Wars
The Civil War without end suddenly and inexplicably ended in the year 515 AVC. Though many thought that it had become a permanent way of life, a few had dared to look beyond the dark clouds of the moment and gazed upon a future that was entirely black. The Roman Empire sat just over the horizon, recruiting legion after legion, building ship after ship, all in preparation for the day they could initiate the Second Punic War. Entirely exhausted by the Civil War, with its armies whittled down to 12,000 sick and near mutinous troops, Carthage entered into negotiations with Rome. The plan was to buy time with land. Knowing that Carthage stood to loose everything, and that Rome could take whatever it wanted, the Suffet of the moment offered two provinces for ten years of peace. Mercifully, Rome accepted.
But then politics intervened. After Rome had occupied the agreed upon provinces, the Roman Senate, dominated by the Military faction, would not ratify the agreed upon treaty. Instead, they demanded that the war be continued, causing Carthage to suffer the occupation of its richest provinces for several long years. And thus, Carthage had neither land nor peace. Where was the justice?
When the Roman Senate finally tired of re-arranging the rubble that had been Carthage, they belatedly accepted the original treaty and withdrew to their two new provinces, leaving Carthage in even worse shape than at the end of the Civil War.
Still, for a few brief years, it looked like Carhage's plan might work. They had lost only two provinces and were now re-building their economy and strengthening their navy. All were in agreement that Rome would return when the peace treaty expired and that their only hope was to forge a navy that could repel the Roman invasion. Although the army had dwindled to just about nothing, the navy stood at nearly 50 ships. No match yet for the Romans, but with a good solid decade of building and with Rome perhaps distracted by a land war and with all the Gods smiling upon them, then maybe, just maybe, there was reason to...hope.
But that hope was quickly dashed. Although the Suffet had maintained cordial relations with Egypt, even going against the advice of his own senate and sending Carthaginian forces to battle the Egyptian Rebels during the darkest hours of the Egyptian Civil War as a gesture of good will and friendship, not asking for a single thing in return, and then later crushing the upstart Greek state of Cyrene so that it could not make common cause with the rebels against the rightful Egyptian rulers, even with that long history of trust and non-conditional aid, the Egyptians decided to attack Carthage at the very time when it most needed peace.
The Civil War without end suddenly and inexplicably ended in the year 515 AVC. Though many thought that it had become a permanent way of life, a few had dared to look beyond the dark clouds of the moment and gazed upon a future that was entirely black. The Roman Empire sat just over the horizon, recruiting legion after legion, building ship after ship, all in preparation for the day they could initiate the Second Punic War. Entirely exhausted by the Civil War, with its armies whittled down to 12,000 sick and near mutinous troops, Carthage entered into negotiations with Rome. The plan was to buy time with land. Knowing that Carthage stood to loose everything, and that Rome could take whatever it wanted, the Suffet of the moment offered two provinces for ten years of peace. Mercifully, Rome accepted.
But then politics intervened. After Rome had occupied the agreed upon provinces, the Roman Senate, dominated by the Military faction, would not ratify the agreed upon treaty. Instead, they demanded that the war be continued, causing Carthage to suffer the occupation of its richest provinces for several long years. And thus, Carthage had neither land nor peace. Where was the justice?
When the Roman Senate finally tired of re-arranging the rubble that had been Carthage, they belatedly accepted the original treaty and withdrew to their two new provinces, leaving Carthage in even worse shape than at the end of the Civil War.
Still, for a few brief years, it looked like Carhage's plan might work. They had lost only two provinces and were now re-building their economy and strengthening their navy. All were in agreement that Rome would return when the peace treaty expired and that their only hope was to forge a navy that could repel the Roman invasion. Although the army had dwindled to just about nothing, the navy stood at nearly 50 ships. No match yet for the Romans, but with a good solid decade of building and with Rome perhaps distracted by a land war and with all the Gods smiling upon them, then maybe, just maybe, there was reason to...hope.
But that hope was quickly dashed. Although the Suffet had maintained cordial relations with Egypt, even going against the advice of his own senate and sending Carthaginian forces to battle the Egyptian Rebels during the darkest hours of the Egyptian Civil War as a gesture of good will and friendship, not asking for a single thing in return, and then later crushing the upstart Greek state of Cyrene so that it could not make common cause with the rebels against the rightful Egyptian rulers, even with that long history of trust and non-conditional aid, the Egyptians decided to attack Carthage at the very time when it most needed peace.
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Carthage 515 - 527 AVC: Part II
Struck dumb by the unfathomable depths of this perfidy, the Carthaginian leadership could not even follow its own best strategic thinking. Like a wounded beast, they struck out blindly wherever and whenever they could. Rather than retire their precious fleet to the safety of their western provinces and accept Egypt's offer of peace for land, they loaded a small expeditionary force and sailed out to invade Crete and meet whatever fate might lay in their way. Although the Pride of Carthage bested the Egyptian fleet in their first meeting, the crafty Egyptians ran for the safety of their harbors before they could be entirely destroyed. The Carthaginian navy remained true to its mission, delivered the force to Crete, and only then headed home for repairs.
Little did they know that the Gods of Battle had smiled upon the arms of Carthage for the last time. From that day on, Carthage suffered one defeat after another. By the time the leadership had come to its senses, it was too late. What army there was, was gone. And the navy lay on the bottom. Although they roused themselves for one final victory in the waning days of the war, Carthage was resigned to giving up its protectorship of the renegade Greek provinces and returning them, for good or ill, to Egypt.
And so, peace returned to Carthage. But for how long? Surely the Roman invasion fleet has already embarked. The priests are praying for storms and looking with great expectation for a mighty wind from the East.
Struck dumb by the unfathomable depths of this perfidy, the Carthaginian leadership could not even follow its own best strategic thinking. Like a wounded beast, they struck out blindly wherever and whenever they could. Rather than retire their precious fleet to the safety of their western provinces and accept Egypt's offer of peace for land, they loaded a small expeditionary force and sailed out to invade Crete and meet whatever fate might lay in their way. Although the Pride of Carthage bested the Egyptian fleet in their first meeting, the crafty Egyptians ran for the safety of their harbors before they could be entirely destroyed. The Carthaginian navy remained true to its mission, delivered the force to Crete, and only then headed home for repairs.
Little did they know that the Gods of Battle had smiled upon the arms of Carthage for the last time. From that day on, Carthage suffered one defeat after another. By the time the leadership had come to its senses, it was too late. What army there was, was gone. And the navy lay on the bottom. Although they roused themselves for one final victory in the waning days of the war, Carthage was resigned to giving up its protectorship of the renegade Greek provinces and returning them, for good or ill, to Egypt.
And so, peace returned to Carthage. But for how long? Surely the Roman invasion fleet has already embarked. The priests are praying for storms and looking with great expectation for a mighty wind from the East.
Session 5 Complete
I would like to thank everyone who participated in the 5th session of the Pyrric Victory Campaign. It was fun. The campaign map has been updated. Happy Holidays.
(Have a holly jolly Christmas, and incase...blah blah blah dont remember the words....)
I would like to thank everyone who participated in the 5th session of the Pyrric Victory Campaign. It was fun. The campaign map has been updated. Happy Holidays.
(Have a holly jolly Christmas, and incase...blah blah blah dont remember the words....)