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TheAtreides84 said:
Aren't achievements like sport medals, in that you have to achieve them starting from an even ground with all other people? If the starting ground is not even, what's the point?
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Because achievements are nothing like a sports medal. Medals in sports are competitions. One person gets first place, one person gets seconds, etc. Achievements are in no way, shape, or form a competition. It's purely a personal satisfaction thing. I'll ask again, when was the last time anyone here looked at someone else's achievements? When was the last time it even crossed anyone's mind to do so?
 
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I dont get it if you don't like ironmane then dont use it. And if you want the achievementsjust because and find it to difficult in ironman then you havent got the point. The achivements are a challenge to earn in a specific way and thats the fun in it. Satisfaction for achieving a difficult goal. I first played normal and was sort of fed up but after looking into the achivements i found a new challenge. So i dont unterstand the problem. If the achivements are to difficult for you well thats your bad. I too cant achieve everything but its fun trying
 
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I enjoy achievements as it many times has me do something I normally won't do like conquer south America as the Inca in EU4. I use ironman even I am not going for an achievement because it keeps me from using the console or save scumming.
 
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Eldoran said:
I dont get it if you don't like ironmane then dont use it. And if you want the achievementsjust because and find it to difficult in ironman then you havent got the point. The achivements are a challenge to earn in a specific way and thats the fun in it. Satisfaction for achieving a difficult goal. I first played normal and was sort of fed up but after looking into the achivements i found a new challenge. So i dont unterstand the problem. If the achivements are to difficult for you well thats your bad. I too cant achieve everything but its fun trying
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It's not a question of it being too difficult. It's a question of Iron Man being tedious and unfun, and people using it as an excuse to look down on others.
 
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What makes ironman tedious because that is not my experience? If you don't find it fun then why do you care, ironman isn't the only way to play?
 
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I don't care about achievements but i find the concept nice and appreciate when they pop-up in a game. So at first i played ironman, but after 4 corrupted save files i stopped.

Would increase my enjoyment of the game and maybe give me some goals to go for if i wouldn't have to use ironman to get them. But meh what can i do, i just paly without. Just a bit sad to think about.

If i would have anything to say i would implement 2 set's of achievements. One with golden edges for ironman and one without for everyone else. Wouldn't need to have every achievement to get that ironman treatment. Only those truly worth it.
No clue how much work it would be to implement. But this would give both sides of the argument what they want.
 
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I dont get this corrupted save stuff you guys are complaining about. ~820 hours (euiv) and I cant recall a single save being corrupted, whether cloud or local.

Also, what is the point of an achievement if you dont earn it the legit way, without savescumming or console abuse. The purpose of ironman is to get you to assess your situation and take calculated risks, then live through the consequences, not just reload a previous save. Elsewise the entire game is trial and error/rinse repeat.
 
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shierholzer said:
Steam Achievement Manager. As long as the link between Steam and the game is that weak, the whole 'easy mode mod' trope is void.
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But with that, it's Steam's problem instead of the game's problem.
 
Ironman is a good feature of the game. Removing a good feature just to make getting achievements easier to get is, honestly, a bad idea.
 
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GamingHUD said:
Yes.

OP is asking for achievements not to be tied exclusively to Ironman, NOT that Ironman as a feature be removed.
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So you didn't read the title then, which reads, no ironman please. Additionally if you had read the thread it is apparent that the OP doesn't know what they want, a point that I have made and the OP has conceeded.
 
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Aries666 said:
So you didn't read the title then, which reads, no ironman please. Additionally if you had read the thread it is apparent that the OP doesn't know what they want, a point that I have made and the OP has conceeded.
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A thread title that reads "please no ironman FOR ACHIEVEMENTS" and the discussion within has been pertaining to whether achievements should be tied to ironman mode or not, as opposed to removing ironman mode itself.

:rolleyes:
 
GamingHUD said:
A thread title that reads "please no ironman FOR ACHIEVEMENTS" and the discussion within has been pertaining to whether achievements should be tied to ironman mode or not, as opposed to removing ironman mode itself.

:rolleyes:
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And by doing what the OP would like, ironman would effectively be removed as they want to remove all ties and constraints between achievements and the standardised mode in which to attain them. Ergo remove ironman so I can get achievements which essentially defeats the point.
 
Aries666 said:
And by doing what the OP would like, ironman would effectively be removed as they want to remove all ties and constraints between achievements and the standardised mode in which to attain them. Ergo remove ironman so I can get achievements which essentially defeats the point.
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What kind of twisted pretzel logic is that? It literally just asks for Ironman to be decoupled from achievements. That's all.
 
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Garak said:
What kind of twisted pretzel logic is that? It literally just asks for Ironman to be decoupled from achievements. That's all.
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What is the point of a goal or achievement if 2 different people attain it under completely different rules? Either you have achievements people get under the same conditions or you just get rid of them as there is no point in a jihad achviement if you can just mod a country with 500 sunni provinces.
 
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Aries666 said:
What is the point of a goal or achievement if 2 different people attain it under completely different rules? Either you have achievements people get under the same conditions or you just get rid of them as there is no point in a jihad achviement if you can just mod a country with 500 sunni provinces.
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My response would be "Who cares?", but really, you missed the point of my post entirely.
 
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Garak said:
My response would be "Who cares?", but really, you missed the point of my post entirely.
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You didn't make a point you simply tried to poke fun at what I said in an effort to take a higher gound. This is manifest by declaring "what sort of pretzel logic is this".
 
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Aries666 said:
You didn't make a point you simply tried to poke fun at what I said in an effort to take a higher gound. This is manifest by declaring "what sort of pretzel logic is this".
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...Right. My point was your reasoning made no sense. And you still haven't responded to that, or simply admitted you were wrong when you completely misunderstood the point of the OP.
 
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Garak said:
...Right. My point was your reasoning made no sense. And you still haven't responded to that, or simply admitted you were wrong when you completely misunderstood the point of the OP.
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This is pointless I wont argue with someone who creates circular arguements and engages in intellectual mastebation without delivering a single thing to discuss.
 
Maybe we should just split achievements into Ironman Achievements and Non-Ironman Achievements? For the hardest ones, Ironman only. For the easier ones, like duke to king, etc in CK2, non-ironman could be allowed.
 
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Why not both? Have a version for normal play, and a version that requires ironman mode to get them. You still get your extremely hard achievements that are a badge of honor, and I play my game modded for harder difficulty and get a "normal mode" achievement that can track my progress. You would still have those .2% "three mountains" achievements, but modivores like myself could have a achievement page with unlocked achievements. And there is quite like having played (admittedly badly) a game with an achievement system for years and not have a single achievement because you enjoy modded games far more than unmodded. For example, I can't play EU4 without extended timeline anymore. I just had a game where druidic zealots converted Rome from Christianity! And it saved the empire since all it had left was Italy and Gaul.
 
Caewil said:
Maybe we should just split achievements into Ironman Achievements and Non-Ironman Achievements? For the hardest ones, Ironman only. For the easier ones, like duke to king, etc in CK2, non-ironman could be allowed.
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Derp, I should read the entire forum before posting.
 
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