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BurningEGO said:
As for Ear - and without wanting to offend anyone - the moment i saw him joining as Spain after no one other then KJ invited him, i thought to myself - "Johnny wants to have an easy time with Spain. I guess he doesnt want to loose the current war. If any."

sure, no offense...i love you too! i wont explain here, why i have done the italy-thing...not in your interest...about my style of playing or warfaring in general i dont have to regret or explain anything at all too...austria always was napped or emphazised the good relation with france...ahh, well im starting to explain my actions... :D
 
Sorry to bump in, but it seems that the above poster is my long lost twin.

Too bad he's got more posts than I have.
 
lord of the rings freaks :rolleyes:
 
2 Ears... the Horror... Oh noes. :rofl:

Btw, i wasnt even refering to the wars with france or when you decided to bow to france... I wasnt there. I left far earlier.

The thing is, that KJ had to get no one else then you, to play Spain. A few weeks before i left, i was speaking with KJ on ICQ regarding POD. We both spoke about how France, played by FAL and consequently by you, had been conducting wars before Venice had been semi-annexed (or totaly beaten) by me. I dont want to go into details, but, i must admit that its rather funny, and ironic, that he had to get no one else then you, to play Spain after that conversation.

lord of the rings freaks

Off topic, but isnt Earendil, one little guy from Silmarilion?
 
BurningEGO said:
Off topic, but isnt Earendil, one little guy from Silmarilion?

Yes, that's correct. Martmol is the one with LOTR quotes in his signature, not us :rolleyes:.
 
Eärendil said:
Yes, that's correct. Martmol is the one with LOTR quotes in his signature, not us :rolleyes:.

Speaking of signatures, i just noticed your little Tibetan AAr... Gonna keep an eye on it. :)
 
Peter the Great, Caucasia and a betrayal of trust.

Long had the Russian Empire enjoyed peace with it's german neigbours and long had they all prospered. Forged in the early 15th century an agreement between the Holy Roman Emperor (counseled by Sorelus Imperion) and the Margrave of Brandenburg on the one side the than Grand Prince of Muscovy on the other both the German powers and Russia could focus their attention on much more important tasks. It was not untill the ascendence of Peter I. that this peace was to be disturbed. When the construction of Ottoman fortresses on the Caucasian border prompted the outbreak of yet another Russo-Turkish war and the crows descended upon the Russian giant as they hoped to get a piece of Belorussia and Ucraine for themselfs. The first one was Brandenburg wich moved towards Minsk laying waste to the countryside on their way to the regional capital and while the greatest part of the Russian army and navy was engaged in the Caucasian offensive, naval battles in the Black Sea and the defense of the Crimean the armys of Brandenburg had nearly one year during wich they could advance without facing opposition. Once the Russian forces had turned their attention to the north though the Germans were thrown back. Engaged in a war against two greatpowers Russia managed to hold it's own on the southern front and finaly managed to destroy Brandenburg's army in the field yet the worst was still to come and shortly after the Margrave had agreed to a peace with Russia the Archduke of Austria took his oportunity invading the undefended western Ucraine openly proclaiming that he intended to be crowned as Emperor of Russia in St. Petersburg. While Peter adopted a strategy of trading space for time in the west and focussed on fighting the Ottomans instead his diplomatic corps managed to persuade both France and Spain to enter the war against Russia's enemys. With the new threat on Austria's borders and it's offensive in Russia bogging down due to the huge distances and some recent defeats of both Prince Eugene against the Russian northern army and the Austrian forces intent on helping the Ottomans in the Crimean the Austrian archduke finally had enough and agreed to a shamefull white peace leaving the Ottomans alone to fight Russia and Spain.
Without any allys left and loosing on every front (including even naval defeats at the hand of the new russian fleet wich lost not a single engagement) on March 28 1700 the Ottoman Empire accepted peace ceding Kouban, Alania and Circassia to Russia.

Satisfied with his success Peter would focus on improving the economy during the next few years and even tried to mend the damaged relations between Russia and the Ottoman Empire wich would result in the Constantinople agreement and a for both sides advantageous cooperation in Central Asia.

But the Emperor's greatest achievement would be the Treaty of Damascus:

-Russia and the Ottoman Empire agree to support each other militarily
-Russia and the Ottoman Empire agree to grant military access to each other
-The Ottoman Empire agrees to cede Armenia, Dagestan, Georgia, Baku and Imeretia to Russia
-The Ottoman Empire agrees to cede Samarkand to Russia at a later point wich is to be decided
by the Sultan
-The Ottoman Empire agrees to relinquish all claims to Turkmeni, Karakum, Merv, Balkh, Fergana,
Shighnan and the provinces north of these line wich will all be recognized as parts of he Russian
sphere of influence.
-The Russian Empire is will relinquish all it's claims to the the provinces south of the
Turkmeni-Shighnan line

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No matter what lies ahead Ivan is sure have a cunning plan at his disposal...
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Some edits in order due to the CTD:
-all of Manchuria back to Russia
-the army wich was destroyed by the Mughals edited back (about 20K Inf and 10K Cav I wil check that) alternatively a small monetray compensation (400 gold should be enough to rebuild the destroyed army)
-the missed event id3426 ("Governmental Reforms and the Absolutism") for Russia has to be triggered

Edits due to the OE-Russian agreement:
-Armenia, Dagestan, Georgia, Baku and Imeretia to Russia

-AAR bonus
-on time bonus (-3 BB)
-Core: 1532 (Bukhara)
 
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BurningEGO said:
2 Ears... the Horror... Oh noes. :rofl:

Btw, i wasnt even refering to the wars with france or when you decided to bow to france... I wasnt there. I left far earlier.

The thing is, that KJ had to get no one else then you, to play Spain. A few weeks before i left, i was speaking with KJ on ICQ regarding POD. We both spoke about how France, played by FAL and consequently by you, had been conducting wars before Venice had been semi-annexed (or totaly beaten) by me. I dont want to go into details, but, i must admit that its rather funny, and ironic, that he had to get no one else then you, to play Spain after that conversation.

It annoys me when you use obscure ICQ conversations against me, because I usually don't remember them, and frankly don't give enough of a care to look them up. Not to say I don't have a lot of leisure time on my hands, I just don't care as much as you do.

As for the rest, I was going to respond in detail, but I don't feel like wrestling in the mud with you. I let Drake send me a few gifts while he was subbing Sweden on his laptop, and admittedly that was out of line, but the way you've reacted, after the countless things I've overlooked that you have done over the years, often being the only person to tolerate you, I see no reason to bother defending myself against you. It's beneath me. You're not going to defame my name with any success, so if I don't reply to more of your slander, it'll be because I'm just not bored enough to invest my time that way.
 
after the countless things I've overlooked that you have done over the years, often being the only person to tolerate you, I see no reason to bother defending myself against you. It's beneath me.

Oh yea... I gotta love this excuse... Well, one thing is one thing, another thing is another thing...

I have never broken the rules... Of course, neither have you. But, while the things i do are subject to diferent opinions (for example - some people believe looting is gamey, others dont), yours are totaly out of the context. Cheating is also not included in the rules and what you did is, very similar to outright cheating. Just because certain things arent included on the rules that doesnt mean you can do them. Obviously, unless there is a great diference of opinions between players regarding these certain things (but i guess everyone agrees with me that sending a shit load of cash from one ghosted player to another is, wrong - specially without permission).

The funny thing is... What i do is what most players always did in the past. I have learnt to use 100 ships to explore the map around with no one other then Drake... I have learnt to pillage thanks to no other then you. I have also started spamming pirates around because of you.

But obviously, i am the only one that has to hear these kind of crap. I am the most gamey player, and the one that uses every single exploit, but, the ones that used these same exploits before me, are, very honorable persons. Spare me John. (Gamla for example kept using 100 ships to explore his way to india and no one ever bitched about it - whenever i do the same, i keep hearing complaints, but, that, is obviously, because these people hate me, or are my enemies and have to use every single excuse as a reason to why they get beaten.)

Nevertheless, i am happy to hear that you, at least, admit that what you did wasnt right. Oh - as for why i reacted like that... Games in the past have taught me, that if the GM dont give a crap to a serious thing that is hapening in the game, i am better if i quit the game. It is simply not worth my time.

Regarding the ICQ logs, well, you are lucky because from some time onwards i have decided to save every single log on my pen (since i keep switching computers all the time). If you think that checking the logs take that much time, then you are wrong my friend. Just save your logs as a TXT file, and search for the keyword "Ear". I am sure you will find the conversation in less then a minute.
 
Games in the past have taught me, that if the GM dont give a crap to a serious thing that is hapening in the game, i am better if i quit the game. It is simply not worth my time.

well IIRC the GM was not informed untill you left and while your suspects were reasonable it was IMHO to early to make a judgment. In the context of the whole game and the BoP wich existed at that certain point you could have overlooked this incident beeing satisfied with a serious admonition. While it could be considered borderline cheating it was not totaly unreasonable and if I would have been the swedish perm I would have most probably supported England in one way or another to prevent it's defeat.

Nevertheless I think we we neither need to discuss this specific topic anymore (especialy not in the AAR threat !) nor is there any reason to make accusations regardin a potentialy biased choice on John's behalf for the next Spanish player wich I consider highly improbable since Earendil generaly continued your generaly anti-English policy and proved capable enough to keep his country among the top-three without much problems.
-Errare humanum est-
 
SorelusImperion said:
well IIRC the GM was not informed untill you left and while your suspects were reasonable it was IMHO to early to make a judgment. In the context of the whole game and the BoP wich existed at that certain point you could have overlooked this incident beeing satisfied with a serious admonition. While it could be considered borderline cheating it was not totaly unreasonable and if I would have been the swedish perm I would have most probably supported England in one way or another to prevent it's defeat.

Nevertheless I think we we neither need to discuss this specific topic anymore (especialy not in the AAR threat !) nor is there any reason to make accusations regardin a potentialy biased choice on John's behalf for the next Spanish player wich I consider highly improbable since Earendil generaly continued your generaly anti-English policy and proved capable enough to keep his country among the top-three without much problems.
-Errare humanum est-


well the point is however we had no swedish perm at the time and in general when a player subs a country without a perm it can do pretty much everything he wan'ts in the intrest of his country so don't see why i couldn't by sending gold to england
 
Would you have been only in the position as Swedish sub you would have had all the freedom you want but the simple fact that you were playing France at the same time arises suspicions. Now how can you proof that you acted solely to further Swedish's interests ?
You can't ... simply because without a perm you do not have objective evidence for your position. On the other hand of course EGO can't proof his suspicions either. And while the loans/gifts were not totaly unreasonable from a possible Swedish player's pov it will remain an open question untill either you admit that you abused your power or EGO gives up his claims and concedes that he was mistaken.

This is the reason why I would have advocated an admontion: Watch yourself and keep in mind that you are not allowed to use Sweden to further French objectives over and out. No punishments, no edits, just a friendly reminder.

You might feel insulted by EGO's accusations but you should have got my point now Drake.
 
admiral drake said:
well the point is however we had no swedish perm at the time and in general when a player subs a country without a perm it can do pretty much everything he wan'ts in the intrest of his country so don't see why i couldn't by sending gold to england

Drake... Imagine if i subbed Sweden while i played Spain... As a spanish player i would make the following deal with sweden... Sweden gives Spain all his provinces except for his capital and allow me (Spain) to keep them for the next 30 years, and i promise to give sweden 99999999999 gold coins. Then, as the swedish sub, i accept it under the pretext that it is a good deal for sweden.

It would have been a good deal after all since Sweden would have never been able to produce such amount of cash in such a period. Now, when the 30 years time period expire, as the spanish player i refuse to honour the deal. Wouldnt that have been terrifying fabulous?

As the swedish sub, i was, obviously, doing the best for swedish interests... Not my fault my alter EGO didnt honour the deal...

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Now, the funniest part was when Mulliman was playing Sweden i believe he was either neutral or my friend, since in my latest conversation with him he asked me for some asian COTs and i was poundering the offer. You knew that, since when we divided asia i spoke with you about that.

I personally dont know if i am misjudging Mulliman's relations with Spain, but i dont believe he was my enemy to send huge amounts of cash to England (or France, i dont know - after all you deflated like hell that session, converted all of france or almost all of it, built govs everywhere, and still sent 4000-5000 gold to ampo for the low countries...)

well IIRC the GM was not informed untill you left

He was pretty well informed but he prefered to believe that Drake sent to England only a pathetic amount of 1400 gold...

since Earendil generaly continued your generaly anti-English policy

Eh... Well, too anti-english i believe - to give all of italy to france just to beat England once...

The Spain i left could have handled both at the same time...

Nevertheless you are right (we shouldnt be speaking about this on the AAr thread) so if someone wishes to reply to me, please do reply on the main thread of the game, or simply send me a PM (to avoid spamming around) or simply speak on ICQ if your up to.

EDITED: Oh and... If Sweden didnt have a player thats yet another damned reason for not doing what you did. You didnt know, after all, if the new Swedish player would befriend me or England. I could (and definetely would) have better things to offer Sweden then England ever would.
 
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First, if there are any mods perusing this thread, think you could delete the half dozen posts of garbage above here? Thanks

Second, AAR...


England 1689-1717

What began as another wonderful day being the unbeatable dominator of the game ended very roughly when I took a wrong turn down gangbangers ally and wound up getting gangraped by Drake, Ear, Kanth and Sid(who really didn't impress me at all, but participated nonetheless). They fucked me pretty good, but I'm not complaining. I rather liked it. Many people are against gangbangs for moral reasons, however, I think they're one of the healthiest things in a game, so long as everyone keeps their composure. Some will disagree, but most do not enjoy a gangbang quite as much when the person you're doing it to is acting like a baby.


This is how it began. I was going to attack Sweden, to liberate the rest of Denmark, when suddenly Drake and Ear did that very thing, and also stole my idea- demanding Sjaellend from Sweden, along with some other provs. Well, that was fine and good, because this gave me an excuse to break the NAP with them, which may not have been all that smart a thing to do if your goal was merely to ensure the longterm prosperity and growth of England. If you are like me though and like to diversify your goals, with things like drama, adrenaline release, and general ass kicking, you'll probably understand why I had to do what I did, and see that it was in fact, in the context of my objectives, a very smart thing to do.

Particularly when you look at how I planned to do it. The Spanish and French fleets were just leaving Sweden after a job well done. The French fleet had left a little bit earlier, because they were having their Spanish bitches do all the dirty work of burying the dead, appointing tax officials in new provinces and such. So it was about 5 months later that Spain's fleet of 800 ships set out on its homeward journey. Little did they know what lay in wait on the other side of Jutland- the British fleet, all 1900 ships, just waiting to spring the trap!

France's 1300 were long gone, probably in France. So when I saw Spain's ships coming, I had no qualms about DOWing them and trapping their fleet- I expected a complete rout and what would be an easy followup victory over France, where I'd defeat them on the continent with Marlborough before finishing the job against Spain one on one. But, alas, this is where lag intervened, and a little bit of bad judgement. After I DOW'd Spain, I ordered my fleet to move to the Sund, where the Spanish fleet was coming from, in case they tried to stop their movement and run away, so that I would still catch them. My order registered just as the Spanish arrived, CAUSING ME TO RETREAT!

Now I had a bit of a problem. I had 1900 ships, which grew to 2400 as reinforcements trickled in over the next few months, but my foes had equal numbers and were increasing them faster than I could, due to higher incomes and naval support issues. Thus, I had no choice but to offer battle in hopes of a stunning die roll. It went completely even though, and after we ground each other's numbers down to about 650 on each side, Sweden decided to join, bringing their 450 ships. I moved in to engage them, but they retreated. I moved back and fought the Franco-Spanish fleet again, and won, but was down to 300 ships. Enough to win a battle against Sweden, but Spain and France joined forces with them and left me with no more options navally. Except to attempt building a galley fleet, but that failure was mostly a sideshow.

The war now went to the continent, where Marlborough led the English army to victory against the French in the low countries, defeating the main army that stood against him and then making real capital on it by destroying several reinforcement armies of the French as they were raised. Enough warscore was gained in this way to stabhit France. Further warscore was gained by capturing Copenhagen from them, but Sweden's entry put an end to that. Copenhagen was easily retaken and then my army in Germany had to fight for its life against Karl XII, who ironically was the first leader to die in that theatre a couple years later, when the Swedish army was annhilated crossing a river.

Before this, Brandenburg refused MA to me, which was a really impolite thing to do in light of the fact I'd given them MA earlier, in their war with Austria, allowing them to send troops to their western territories, making it possible to defend these territories at all. I think it reveals the depth of the Margrave's character, but he made up for this by showing he had some cahones when he DOW'd me a year later. If I've learned anything from Drake and Ear in this game so far, it's that it takes a lot of guts to DOW this England. So nevermind the fact that I was already engaged with three countries, I salute Brandenburg for its daring sense of adventure. Not even waiting for Freddy or anything.

I also salute Brandenburg for singlehandedly gaining victory for the GA coalition(gangbanger's alliance, pronounced 'gay') in Holland, through the use of its fort. I sent Marlborough to assault a Brandenburger large fort, and he failed miserably, losing 40k of his 140k, and after that everything went downhill. That was the last turning point in the Netherlands. With his low morale, he lost another battle retreating back, and then failed another assault on a medium fort, and no longer had the numbers to hold off the hordes of France, Spain and Sweden. Brandenburg sent a stabhit, and I accepted, giving back the three provinces I'd safeguarded for him the last decade.

When I asked for MA soon afterward, I was pleased to find that the margrave had gained a lot of character indeed, and Marlborough happily marched his army through now friendly Brandenburger territory, on his way to join the army of the south where the battle is sure to continue.

Ontime: deflation
AAR: 3kD
Core: 1928
 
Some have said that nothing brings a country together like war, but after today's session, I beg to differ. There were rebels in Australia, which made sense, them being mostly convicts, but didn't make sense in that the rebel numbers were higher than the continents' entire population. There were rebels in North America, who no doubt were pissed off about the taxes they had to pay for armies, which were ironically ultimately used to put down their revolt... And in Scotland, which I can only assume revolted over the national flag; it still hasn't been implemented, 35 years after the Act of Union. Tough biscuits Scotland. There are no more act of union events, so like it or not, this will always be the English Empire, and you're just going to have to get used to it like everybody else.

Between sessions, I made seperate peace's with Spain and Sweden, giving up my half of Denmark and part of Ireland to Spain. It was hard to let them go, but having forged an alliance with Austria, I figured I would make up for the loss of manpower elsewhere. So as the session began, Marlborough continued his march to Switzerland where he joined the army, and was soon carried forward by the full force of the Austrian war machine, repulsing the French invaders and throwing them back, further and further into France, into Champagne and Orleans, chasing newly recruited armies around and then assaulting Paris itself.

I had to go afk though for like 10 minutes. It was dinner time. I was just seiging things at this point, so I figured no biggie. Austria could finish mopping up, or so I thought. When I got back, I found that things had gotten messy, like in the course of mopping up, he'd tripped over the bucket or something. There were Frenchmen all over the place. So, I got my
armies back into position and sieged for a little more. Then sieged just a little bit more before rejoining the fight. By that time, my armies weren't much stronger than they'd started as, so they didn't accomplish much, the problem being that I couldn't recruit anything in Switzerland, and France was buying out the whole mercenary market.

I eventually retook the naval initiative, destroyed almost all of the French fleet with my 6 maneuver admiral and began landing armies in France from the north. This brought the war back in our favor, but then Spain reentered. I had to give him Delaware for peace this time. We were really nailing France now, he had rebels everywhere and it was only getting worse for him, but I was frustrated with my own rebels and lack of troops, or warscore, so I accepted a seperate peace with him for Lombardia and Franche Comte. Austria tried the mopping up thing again and succeeded spectacularly, winning four provs including Genoa.

I didn't fight anymore wars that session, except for a war of reconquest against Hydrabad, who I'd had one prov defect to after the war. I did get Ireland back. Spain was engaged in war by the Ottomans and Russians, so I suggested to them giving back Ireland in exchange for my not doing to them what they did to me a few years earlier, and they agreed that that would be a good idea. We signed a ten year NAP as well.

The economy bloomed again, and so did the conscription industry. My technology advanced to the point of allowing construction of conscription centers across the land, which are to soldiers what the cotton gin is, or will be to cotton. Now England has 230 manpower, compared to 300 for France and a little over 300 for Austria. It is not technically the top continental power, but I believe that once I've regained Denmark, Delaware, and my piece of Germany, I'll be back on the right track. In the meantime, the biggest thing on the agenda will be the reconstruction of the fleet, now that CCs have been established in all the biggest manpower centers. Good things.
 
*blink* you are NOT regaining that part of Germany, even if Frederick has to swim to England.
 
I was just throwing that into my AAR because I thought it would give a sense of anticipation, for dramatic effect. Don't worry, I'll probably try to take an entirely different piece of Germany than the one I took before.
 
With the Treaty of Damascus in effect the Zar had finally stopped the unending conflicts over the Caucasus and choosen the route of cooperation with the Sultan who although beeing an unbeliever was still reasonable enough to see the advantages wich he gained by cooperating with Russia. Yet although Peter would have prefered a period of peace Russia was forced
into another war wich it fought side by side with the Ottomans. Sadly though the enemy was Spain wich up till than had been one of the Empire's most important allys.´But the terms of Damascus were clear and while Russia was able to avoid beeing drawn into the Austro-Ottoman war the Zar had to adhere to the treaty terms. Fortunately Spain was weakened already and it's victorys in Asia were meaningless in comparison to it's defeats in Africa and the revolts all over it's colonial Empire. Finaly though the Ottoman-Russian alliance had to settle for Egypt. The following years were marked by Russian military campaigns against rebels in Mongolia and Manchuria and diplomatic efforts to strengthen it's ties with the Margraviate of Brandenburg wich would result in the decision to publicize the Warsaw accord.

-Brandenburg cedes Congress Poland to Russia (Kalisz, Warsaw, Lublin, Malopolska, Mazowsze)
-Russia agrees to provide military, financial and diplomatic support to Brandenburg
-Russia supports Brandenburg's territorial claims
-Russia recognizes the Margrave of Brandenburg as King in Prussia
-Russa recognizes the Margrave as protector of Germany

Although Peter's diplomacy was successfull in achiveing a virtual hegemony of Russia in Eastern Europe the recent events in germany were most distressing as they foreshadowed yet another war wich may require Russian intervention. Eager to avoid further military campains Empress Anna hopes to repeat the success of her husband and to get Austria to the negotiation table in order to solve the Austro-Prussian conflict without the need of direct military intervention by Russian forces.




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As my probable last act as King of Prussia I accept this treaty.
 
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