[Resistance] Game 2 - Down with Werewolf!

[Kingepyon]

I also think the "spy would never propose another spy on his team" is too much too assume. It certainly makes analysis much cleaner, but a smart spy would know that. That's why I said that if Ese is a spy, there is a fair chance he threw another spy on his team and supported the team.

No, there isn't a fair chance he did. The spies can't communicate privately, so they can't plot which one of them is going to sabotage (assuming they're not cheating)

This means the risk that both of them may sabotage outweighs the chance that they might be analysed due to not putting other spies on their team. Spies not putting other spies on their team is a safe assumption to make. And if there happens to be more than 1 spy on the team, it's not because the leader was a spy and purposefully chose another.

This game seems fun. I like the idea of not being able to die, since there's no reason to keep quiet, and poor play isn't rewarded.

Yes, yes it is a fun game. I like the not dying as well.

 

[Cymsdale]

No, there isn't a fair chance he did. The spies can't communicate privately, so they can't plot which one of them is going to sabotage (assuming they're not cheating)

This means the risk that both of them may sabotage outweighs the chance that they might be analysed due to not putting other spies on their team. Spies not putting other spies on their team is a safe assumption to make.

A spy putting another spy on a team is not going to risk a double-sabo, because they have complete control over their own actions. They *will* not sabotage, and the other spy can do whatever they want. It maximizes disinformation. Making unsafe assumptions allows the spies to control the game.

Anyways, does everyone want to follow my proposal or not?

And why has Randakar pretty much stopped talking? He seems to pretty much be the expert on this game, but he's pretty much clammed up. I'd like him to weigh in.

 

[Kingepyon]

A spy putting another spy on a team is not going to risk a double-sabo, because they have complete control over their own actions. They *will* not sabotage, and the other spy can do whatever they want. It maximizes disinformation. Making unsafe assumptions allows the spies to control the game.

You're assuming both spies know that the leader who put the other spy on the team will not sabotage. Which, of course, is untrue as the spies can't communicate in private.

Unless you're a spy. And since you've been saying this for a while now the other spies could be following the example. But, if you're a spy this should remain unsaid. Which, in the end, returns us to the original assumption of spies won't put another spy on their team as it is a risk for a double sabotage.

And I'm for any team that has AVN, randakar and tamius that doesn't include Xarkan or esemesas.

 

[Cymsdale]

You're assuming both spies know that the leader who put the other spy on the team will not sabotage. Which, of course, is untrue as the spies can't communicate in private.

Maybe I should speak slower or something, I don't know how I can explain this any better.

Player A is a spy, and the leader. He puts player B (also a spy) and player C (not a spy) on his team.

Player A doesn't sabotage, because he doesn't know what player B will do.

Player B does whatever the hell he wants. If player B sabotages, the spies get a huge advantage because one of the spies is effectively "hidden". If player B doesn't sabotage, it's only a minor setback to the spies in terms of missions, but a gain in that they've "cleared" two of their own.

There is no "danger" to player A that player A will sabotage (causing a potential double-sabotage), because player A has complete control over his own actions.

 

[esemesas]

Maybe I should speak slower or something, I don't know how I can explain this any better.

Player A is a spy, and the leader. He puts player B (also a spy) and player C (not a spy) on his team.

Player A doesn't sabotage, because he doesn't know what player B will do.

Player B does whatever the hell he wants. If player B sabotages, the spies get a huge advantage because one of the spies is effectively "hidden". If player B doesn't sabotage, it's only a minor setback to the spies in terms of missions, but a gain in that they've "cleared" two of their own.

There is no "danger" to player A that player A will sabotage (causing a potential double-sabotage), because player A has complete control over his own actions.

But what if he's drunk?

 

[Kingepyon]

But what if he's drunk?

Naw, I missed a few words. Rushing + problems with reading due to being Dyslexic.

Either way, esemesas is still a spy.

 

[randakar]

I'm thinking randy

You know, some things never change. If you talk a lot, you look suspicious.

I'm actually thinking that randakar is a spy, and have for awhile. I said that I had an off feeling about him some pages back, should anyone care to look. And it's (obviously) statistically more likely than any other player, given he was the only crew member on both teams.

Nope.
I understand where this suspicion is coming from.
Look at it from my side, though. Putting together a mission team with the amounts of information that we have is bloody hard. I've tried to put something together that doesn't have any obvious spies in there, but the odds are just against me. There's a reason why I asked everyone to propose a team..

Let's assume randakar is a spy.

How would randakar the spy create his team? Would he put other spies on it? Probably not, the spies can't communicate by PM, so unless there's some code in the post spam, there's no real way to communicate.

You can't agree on a code with your fellow spies without PM's. So feel free to throw that one straight out the window ;-)

As for other spies - I'd actually put one or zero other spies on such a team.
If you put another spy in that team you just don't sabotage. Simple.

So chances are he doesn't put a spy on his team. So that leaves Myself, Cymsdale and Cliges clear. If we add AVN to that, that clears 4 people. That leaves 1 more. Since both tamius and esemesas are on the first team with randakar, that means that 1 out of the two isn't a spy, and the other is.

Why not put one other spy in there and then simply support the mission? Keeps them confused, and all ..

Well esemesas made that team. Why would esemesas put another spy on the same team as him? If something went poorly wrong and both decided to sabotage, that's really bad for the spies. So we're left with tamius as the spy. So now we have tamius, Xarkan, and randakar as the spies. With myself, Cymsdale, Cliges, esmesas, and AVN clear.

Obviously there is a spy in that set. At least one, in fact.
And with you playing me off as the obvious scapegoat, I would not be surprised if there were two or three spies in that set - you and AVN being the obvious two choices there.
That being said, I have no way to prove my own allegiance, so carry on.

But then the issue arises, how did tamius and randakar only sabotage the first mission once? Dumb luck? Not sabotaging the first mission is a viable strategy, and there is a 50% chance (assuming both players felt the same about the options) that it would happen, so it's down to a coin flip, lucky for the spies, but not the most likely of scenarios. So if we assume randakar is the spy, we know who the other spies are, we just need to fail this team, and Cliges can pick any combination of those 5.

You don't know anything, really. Which is what I feared.
Let's not forget the "esemesas, AVN, Kingepyon" spy combo, shall we?

On a somewhat optimistic note: if the next mission does work, the spies need two sabotages to defeat the mission after that. So, if we win this one, the next does have some slight room for error on the part of the true resistance.

And having the spies know each other does seem to skew things in their favor more than the previous game.

Of course it does. And we're a pretty inexperienced set of players, so seeing us crash and burn? No surprise to me ..

Assuming tamius is a spy is also easy, let's do that.

If tamius was a spy, he (like randakar) likely wouldn't put another spy on his team, for fear of both players sabotaging. This means that esemesas, Cliges and Xarkan (who were on his team) are clear, as well as myself and AVN (I'm taking liberties with myself here, cause I know I'm not a spy) which leaves randakar, and Cymsdale as spies to go along with tamius.

Which gives me the same issue with tamius as I had with randakar being a spy. The coin flip to determine the sabotage.

Coin flip? Not really. Just propose the team, leave the sabotaging to your team mate. Easy.
That being said, I kinda doubt anyone else thought of that before. So your reasoning may still hold.

However, this result does provide ample reasoning as to why randakar and Cymsdale would reject a team that they have spies on - there are two of them. However, either tamius doesn't catch on, or doesn't care as he still approves the team - when he has the deciding vote.

Safe to say, likely not those three.

Based on previous assumptions, I'd argue that esemesas is the spy, and randakar and tamius are clear.

Following this arguement, the safest team right now would be: randakar, kingepyon, AVN, tamius.

Why AVN? If esemesas is the spy, why would he give AVN that particular plot card?
Don't forget, AVN can easily play it on you, tell everyone you supported, gain your favor, and then sabotage the next mission himself. Easy.

So if esemesas is a spy, and randakar is not, that leaves us cliges or Cymsdale as the spy from sabotage group 2 - but likely not both. This also leaves Xarkan as a spy.

I REJECT this team.

I still think Cliges is in the clear.
I may be wrong, though ..

My own analysis (it's slightly different from Kingepyon's analysis).

I start with the following 2 assumptions :
A) If the leader is a spy he will only propose resistance members for his mission team.
B) Both missions had only 1 spy. (this assumption will be changed later on).

There are 3 situations possible now :
1) Randy was the spy on the first mission. This clears esemesas and tamius. But also Cliges, Cymsdale and Kingepyon, because randy wouldn't choose spies in his mission team.
The conclusion is that Randy, Xarkan and me are the spies, which is impossible because I'm resistance.

2) Tamius was the spy on the first mission. This clears esemesas and randy. But also Cliges and Xarkan (tamius's choices for his team). And of course Kingepyon is cleared, because he supported the last mission. This gives tamius, Cymsdale and me as the spies. Again impossible.

3) Esemesas was the spy on the first mission. This clears tamius and randy. Of course Kingepyon is cleared again because he supported the last mission.
That leaves Cymsdale/Cliges as one possible spy/resistance pair. And Xarkan/me as the other spy/resistance pair. Because I'm not a spy, Xarkan is one.

So based on above assumptions we get :
Resistance : tamius, randy, Kingepyon, AVN
Spies : esemesas, Xarkan
Unclear : Cymsdale/Cliges (although based an arguements used earlier in the thread I think that Cliges is the spy).

But I wonder if there was really only one spy on the last mission. Not that I expect that randy would choose spies in his team if he was a spy. (I still will use the assumption that a spy-leader will only choose resistance members). What if there were two spies in the last mission ?

In that case we have to consider two options :
1) tamius was the spy on the first mission. Clearing esemesas and randy.
That means that. That means that two of the following three are spies : Cliges, Cymsdale and Kingepyon.
But tamius proposed Cliges as team member and Kingepyon proposed Cymsdale. Conclusion this situation is impossible.

2) esemesas was the spy on the first mission. Clearing tamius and randy.
Again we get that two out of the following three are spies : Cliges, Cymsdale and Kingepyon.
Because Kingepyon proposed Cymsdale for his team the only valid spy combinations for this situation are :

Cliges/Kingepyon and
Cliges/Cymsdale.

So in case there were two spies on the second mission we get :
Resistance : randy, tamius, Xarkan, AVN
Spies : esemesas, Cliges
Unclear : Cymsdale, Kingepyon

I'm not sure yet which assumption is better (one or two spies on the second mission). But in both cases randy, tamius and me are part of the resistance and IMO should go on the next mission.

Therefore I REJECT Xarkan's proposal.

.. ok.
That makes sense. Sort of.
If the spies haven't figured out the 'leader proposes the team with the fellow spy on it' trick yet, at least ..

Does the GM confirm the card results?

Randakar is probably a spy who put me on team two so I could no longer plead that I couldn't be directly tied to any failures. (more or less what I had feared all along)

But I'm also going to reject the team on the basis that it's somewhat unlikely that Xarkan has managed to put together a 4 man group that includes all of the true resistance minus myself. And any one vote could sabotage the mission and end the game, unless for some strange reason the spies just want to play with our heads and let us win 1 single mission.

reject

Cliges, it really doesn't make sense for you to do that. You don't want to get cleared, you want the resistance to pass their missions. Getting cleared? Waaayy down your list of priorities.
This game is nothing like werewolf.

This plot result is private, which means avn and kingpeyon could be playing you guys for fools.

Basically.

I also think the "spy would never propose another spy on his team" is too much too assume. It certainly makes analysis much cleaner, but a smart spy would know that. That's why I said that if Ese is a spy, there is a fair chance he threw another spy on his team and supported the team.

Ah, someone else figured out the trick, then. Good.
Or perhaps, bad. If you're a spy ..

We are in an awkward and dangerous situation here because of the following facts:

* If we have a single spy on the approved team, we will lose the game.
* Because of the above, a player is extremely likely to approve of a team they are not a part of.
* An approval requires 5 votes, meaning the most likely situation is a team will be forced because we are run up against the wall.
* Where that wall is exactly, is unknown, since there are STILL two no confidence cards out there!

There is a silver lining in all this. If the team succeeds, not only do we avoid an immediate loss, we effectively clear four players at once, meaning we leap frog from very likely to lose to very likely to win.

Yeah, well. Geting there is a bitch .. but let me help:

Cliges, if you do not use your plot card to reject this team right now I will consider you a spy and reject any team that contains you

There. That should help a bit.
Also: Reject this team

I've decided that AVN and King both deserve a win out of this, even if they're spies. So I will support their proposals. Whatever they are.

I think we can mitigate the damage of these points by being smart about our team proposals, and it's unfortunate that Xarkan made his so lightly.

There are 5 possible combinations that can succeed, but it's not enough for one of those 5 to be proposed. The proposal must be acceptable to all the members currently on it AND it must be acceptable to the resistance member that gets left behind. I suggest that before we do any voting, everyone suggests a team that they are willing to approve of *that they are not on*, and if we can build a consensus, we can avoid a situation of having the auto-approved team be in the hands of a random person (who might even be a spy).

What do you all think?

I think that Xarkan is probably a spy, to be honest.
Apart from that - AVN and King had some decent ideas there.

This game seems fun. I like the idea of not being able to die, since there's no reason to keep quiet, and poor play isn't rewarded.

There's a reason why I wanted to see this tried out on this forum
You'd love playing it, I'm sure

 

[randakar]

A spy putting another spy on a team is not going to risk a double-sabo, because they have complete control over their own actions. They *will* not sabotage, and the other spy can do whatever they want. It maximizes disinformation. Making unsafe assumptions allows the spies to control the game.

Anyways, does everyone want to follow my proposal or not?

And why has Randakar pretty much stopped talking? He seems to pretty much be the expert on this game, but he's pretty much clammed up. I'd like him to weigh in.

It's the weekend, and I'm busy. As usual.
As for being an expert .. not really. I just flounder and flail around more loudly than the rest of you

Maybe I should speak slower or something, I don't know how I can explain this any better.

Player A is a spy, and the leader. He puts player B (also a spy) and player C (not a spy) on his team.

Player A doesn't sabotage, because he doesn't know what player B will do.

Player B does whatever the hell he wants. If player B sabotages, the spies get a huge advantage because one of the spies is effectively "hidden". If player B doesn't sabotage, it's only a minor setback to the spies in terms of missions, but a gain in that they've "cleared" two of their own.

There is no "danger" to player A that player A will sabotage (causing a potential double-sabotage), because player A has complete control over his own actions.

Yeah, I realized this too. Too bad I didn't realize it earlier ..

Naw, I missed a few words. Rushing + problems with reading due to being Dyslexic.

Either way, esemesas is still a spy.

.. and I'm still unsure about AVN.
Let's say that you are correct, esemesas and Xarkan are spies. Who is the third one, then? Cliges or cymsdale, I presume?

 

[Kingepyon]

Let's say that you are correct, esemesas and Xarkan are spies. Who is the third one, then? Cliges or cymsdale, I presume?

Not sure about Xarkan. esemesas is a prime candidate for spy inside of the assumption that only 1 spy is put on a team, or outside of it. Which is why, no matter what, I think he should no longer be placed on a team.

Xarkan I'm not 100% sure about anymore. Mostly due to what Cymsdale said. He was just kind of the leftover from the 1 spy per team assumption, so he got pushed into it.

I'll have to redo some assumptions for team leaders being a spy and re adding another one.

Cymsdale I'm unsure about. Either he's a spy with Xarkan and esemesas and my assumptions just destroyed his team, or he's actually a resistance member and is trying hard to get this right.

Honestly, the second seems more likely.

 

[AVN]

If I understand the rules correctly Cliges can only reject approved teams with his card.
So it will be difficult for him to reject the current proposal by using his card ...

 

[Kingepyon]

Under the assumption of a spy leader choosing a second spy:

If esemesas and tamius are spies. That leaves Cliges and Cymsdale as candidates for a spy.

If esemesas and randakar are spies, that leaves any number of people. In this case, everyone is a possible spy, depending on if spy randy decided to put another spy on his team or not.

 

[Falc]

If I understand the rules correctly Cliges can only reject approved teams with his card.
So it will be difficult for him to reject the current proposal by using his card ...

Yes.

Then again, the nature and purpose of this card have been affected by changing to public votes. Perhaps this should be changed to a public veto against a given team. Then again, an early veto could stifle discussion... Worth pondering for next game.

 

[Kingepyon]

Yes.

Then again, the nature and purpose of this card have been affected by changing to public votes. Perhaps this should be changed to a public veto against a given team. Then again, an early veto could stifle discussion... Worth pondering for next game.

Speaking of public vs private votes, I'd like to see private votes next game. I think seeing 3-4 reject a team skews the rest of the votes.

 

[Cymsdale]

I prefer public votes. More discussion, more information.

 

[AVN]

Can we discuss this (and other rules) after the game has finished please.

 

[Cliges]

Randakar-ok-but we need rules clarification. Since this team looks like a failed vote anyhow, can one use a card to reject it? If falc allows a priori no confidence, so be it.

EDIT-missed the falc response.

Well, if anyone wants to switch to approve so that I can use the card, I'd be willing.

Though, that would make a vote switch an informal referendum on myself.

EDIT 2,however if falc and the rest of the players are willing to let me use the card now, again, I shall.

 

[Cymsdale]

There is a lot of names being thrown around on who could possibly be a spy. I think this is the wrong way to go about things. What's important is identifying the combination of spies.

Let's take a look at our list here:
1. esemesas (E)
2. tamius23 (T)
3. Kingepyon (K)
4. randakar (R)
5. Xarkan (X)
6. Cliges (C)
7. Cymsdale (Y)
8. AVN (A)

With 8 players and 3 spies, there are 56 possible combinations. I'll list them out:

ETK ETR ETX ETC ETY
ETA EKR EKX EKC EKY
EKA ERX ERC ERY ERA
EXC EXY EXA ECY ECA
EYA TKR TKX TKC TKY
TKA TRX TRC TRY TRA
TXC TXY TXA TCY TCA
TYA KRX KRC KRY KRA
KCX KXY KXA KCY KCA
KYA RXC RXY RXA RCY
RCA RYA XCY XCA XYA
CYA

Day 1 mission eliminates every combination that does not have at least E, T or R, that's 10 combinations eliminated because are completely impossible:

ETK ETR ETX ETC ETY
ETA EKR EKX EKC EKY
EKA ERX ERC ERY ERA
EXC EXY EXA ECY ECA
EYA TKR TKX TKC TKY
TKA TRX TRC TRY TRA
TXC TXY TXA TCY TCA
TYA KRX KRC KRY KRA
RXC RXY RXA RCY RCA
RYA

Day 2 mission eliminates (btw PLEASE update the front page log that makes this much harder) any combination that does not have a R, C, Y or K, leaving us with 42:

ETK ETR ETC ETY EKR
EKX EKC EKY EKA ERX
ERC ERY ERA EXC EXY
ECY ECA EYA TKR TKX
TKC TKY TKA TRX TRC
TRY TRA TXC TXY TCY
TCA TYA KRX KRC KRY
KRA RXC RXY RXA RCY
RCA RYA

I'm not a spy, so any combination with me (Y) is not possible (28 combinations left):

ETK ETR ETC EKR
EKX EKC EKA ERX
ERC ERA EXC ECA
TKR TKX TKC TKA
TRX TRC TRA TXC
TCA KRX KRC KRA
RXC RXA RCA

This is the farthest I can get on known facts, the others I have to go based on assumptions.

Assumption 1, If Ese (E) was a spy, he would not have given the "keeping a close eye on you" card to a resistance member. Therefore, any combination that as an E, must have an A (that brings us down to 19):

EKA ERA ECA
TKR TKX TKC
TKA TRX TRC TRA
TXC TCA KRX KRC
KRA RXC RXA RCA

Assumption 2, if Tamius (T) is a spy, he would not have proposed a team with all three spies on it for day 2. His proposal was T, E, C, X, unfortunately, that only removes TXC:

EKA ERA ECA
TKR TKX TKC
TKA TRX TRC TRA
TCA KRX KRC
KRA RXC RXA RCA

Assumption 3, if Kingepyon (K) was a spy, he likewise would not propose a 3-spy team. his proposal was K, Y, A, X, unfortunately, this doesn't remove any:

Assumption 4, same as above with Randy's (R) proposal R, C, Y or K (17 left):

EKA ERA ECA
TKR TKX TKC
TKA TRX TRC TRA
TCA KRX KRA RXC
RXA RCA

To get farther than this, I'll need to start making some "less baseless" assumptions. But what the hell, nothing ventured. Nothing gained...

Wild Assumption 1, Xarkan (X) is a spy. Therefore, every combination must have an X in it:

TKX TRX KRX RXC
RXA

Now, if Xarkan is a spy, I don't think we can really gain that much information from his team proposal. He could have put 1-3 spies on the team and won the game. Xarkan did accuse Randy of being a spy. Now, accusing a fellow spy of being a spy can certainly be a good gambit if played right, I think that type of plan only plays out well if you know.. contribute more, build trust, things like that. Xarkan has not done any of these things. So I think it was just a lame "throw suspicion on a resistance member" statement. So that brings me to

Wild Assumption 2 (based on Wild Assumption 1), Randakar (R) is not a spy. Remove every combination with R in it:

TKX

So that's my analysis. Tamius, Xarkan, and Kingpeyon are the spies. I will approve of any team that does not have any of them on it, even if I am not on that team (although I'd certainly be more comfortable if I was).

 

[Cymsdale]

Randakar-ok-but we need rules clarification. Since this team looks like a failed vote anyhow, can one use a card to reject it? If falc allows a priori no confidence, so be it.

EDIT-missed the falc response.

Well, if anyone wants to switch to approve so that I can use the card, I'd be willing.

Though, that would make a vote switch an informal referendum on myself.

I think Falc's ruling of how the card works is fair, but I believe that in future games it should act as a public veto (that can apply at any point in the voting). I was assuming from the start that it worked like that honestly, and I think it works better that way in the forum-version of the game.

 

[Cliges]

GM has the final say-so, but I wouldn't want to piss off anyone who genuinely sees a rules issues here, rather than making the use before a vote a tactical issue. In any case, I'll use it now if allowed.

 

[Xarkan]

There is a lot of names being thrown around on who could possibly be a spy. I think this is the wrong way to go about things. What's important is identifying the combination of spies.

Let's take a look at our list here:
1. esemesas (E)
2. tamius23 (T)
3. Kingepyon (K)
4. randakar (R)
5. Xarkan (X)
6. Cliges (C)
7. Cymsdale (Y)
8. AVN (A)

With 8 players and 3 spies, there are 56 possible combinations. I'll list them out:

ETK ETR ETX ETC ETY
ETA EKR EKX EKC EKY
EKA ERX ERC ERY ERA
EXC EXY EXA ECY ECA
EYA TKR TKX TKC TKY
TKA TRX TRC TRY TRA
TXC TXY TXA TCY TCA
TYA KRX KRC KRY KRA
KCX KXY KXA KCY KCA
KYA RXC RXY RXA RCY
RCA RYA XCY XCA XYA
CYA

Day 1 mission eliminates every combination that does not have at least E, T or R, that's 10 combinations eliminated because are completely impossible:

ETK ETR ETX ETC ETY
ETA EKR EKX EKC EKY
EKA ERX ERC ERY ERA
EXC EXY EXA ECY ECA
EYA TKR TKX TKC TKY
TKA TRX TRC TRY TRA
TXC TXY TXA TCY TCA
TYA KRX KRC KRY KRA
RXC RXY RXA RCY RCA
RYA

Day 2 mission eliminates (btw PLEASE update the front page log that makes this much harder) any combination that does not have a R, C, Y or K, leaving us with 42:

ETK ETR ETC ETY EKR
EKX EKC EKY EKA ERX
ERC ERY ERA EXC EXY
ECY ECA EYA TKR TKX
TKC TKY TKA TRX TRC
TRY TRA TXC TXY TCY
TCA TYA KRX KRC KRY
KRA RXC RXY RXA RCY
RCA RYA

I'm not a spy, so any combination with me (Y) is not possible (28 combinations left):

ETK ETR ETC EKR
EKX EKC EKA ERX
ERC ERA EXC ECA
EYA TKR TKX TKC
TKA TRX TRC TRA
TXC TCA KRX KRC
KRA RXC RXA RCA

This is the farthest I can get on known facts, the others I have to go based on assumptions.

Assumption 1, If Ese (E) was a spy, he would not have given the "keeping a close eye on you" card to a resistance member. Therefore, any combination that as an E, must have an A (that brings us down to 19):

EKA ERA ECA
EYA TKR TKX TKC
TKA TRX TRC TRA
TXC TCA KRX KRC
KRA RXC RXA RCA

Assumption 2, if Tamius (T) is a spy, he would not have proposed a team with all three spies on it for day 2. His proposal was T, E, C, X, unfortunately, that only removes TXC:

EKA ERA ECA
EYA TKR TKX TKC
TKA TRX TRC TRA
TCA KRX KRC
KRA RXC RXA RCA

Assumption 3, if Kingepyon (K) was a spy, he likewise would not propose a 3-spy team. his proposal was K, Y, A, X, unfortunately, this doesn't remove any:

Assumption 4, same as above with Randy's (R) proposal R, C, Y or K (17 left):

EKA ERA ECA
EYA TKR TKX TKC
TKA TRX TRC TRA
TCA KRX KRA RXC
RXA RCA

To get farther than this, I'll need to start making some "less baseless" assumptions. But what the hell, nothing ventured. Nothing gained...

Wild Assumption 1, Xarkan (X) is a spy. Therefore, every combination must have an X in it:

TKX TRX KRX RXC
RXA

Now, if Xarkan is a spy, I don't think we can really gain that much information from his team proposal. He could have put 1-3 spies on the team and won the game. Xarkan did accuse Randy of being a spy. Now, accusing a fellow spy of being a spy can certainly be a good gambit if played right, I think that type of plan only plays out well if you know.. contribute more, build trust, things like that. Xarkan has not done any of these things. So I think it was just a lame "throw suspicion on a resistance member" statement. So that brings me to

Wild Assumption 2 (based on Wild Assumption 1), Randakar (R) is not a spy. Remove every combination with R in it:

TKX

So that's my analysis. Tamius, Xarkan, and Kingpeyon are the spies. I will approve of any team that does not have any of them on it, even if I am not on that team (although I'd certainly be more comfortable if I was).

Back to the drawing board Cym, I'm not a spy. It's unfortunate that my team will be rejected. I'm sure the next accepted team will have a spy in it.