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Rutledge is quite the silver-tongued devil isn’t he? I like the way he’s weaving perfectly logical, (for the time) self-evident truths and advancing them to the next illogical step. I could feel the slow build-up joined with a steadily rising voice and increasing pace of his speech. :cool: I am worried about Tom. He seems to be the man riding a tiger. How does he control his men if he wants the killing to stop?


Joe
 
I of course miss the old rutledge and Exeter, but this is an interesting turn for the story. I guess its becoming somewhat clear what Mr. Black meant about breaking the soul of America.
 
Man oh man, what a humdinger of a return!


Okay, like some of my co-readers, I didn't actually get mad at Herr Black's little speech... instead, I got a gnawing worm growing in my belly, 'cause I can see where he's headed with this line of thinking and just how difficult it's going to be to cut him off at the pass and ruin his plans..... if that can even be done at this point!

Dear Mr. Preston is about to get a major wake up call when he hears of his wife being with child... and if he still doesn't wake up, then he deserves what ever festering gut shot he ends up with, know what I mean?
 
Stuyvesant: Black's slowly twisting eighteen century (in)sensibilities until ideology appropriate for the Nazis. His last speech is fairly close to the Nuremberg Laws of 1935, which was Germany's attempt to control their "problem" before any talk of final solutions. And you're right: That 'citizenship' line, though rather innocent right now, can get twisted very easily..

As for 'frack,' it took me a minute to find out what you were talking about. I wrote that event months ago. :) I, personally, am not comfortable with certain four letter words so that's my personal substitute for the one that begins with f. I guess I was tired of Paradox's "Rats!" or "Damn!" :)

J. Passepartout: Zahringen and Heyward are definitely meeting up sooner rather than later. Yes, it should wake Tom up...but at what price? (Hence the chapter name.)

Storey: That's Tom's problem right now. He accepted the assignment to try and control the war to come, and it's running away from him anyway. If he does what he really should to retake control of the army at all costs, he'll probably have a mutiny on his hands.

Machiavellian: Yes...this is pretty much what Mr. Black had in mind. If he can't destroy the Americans, he'll twist them.

Draco Rexus: I see you echoed jwolf's comment: I'm honestly not sure how John's going to react to the news yet. I would hope it helps him wake up, not just to himself but the incredibly bad situation South Carolina's spiraling towards...but so far he's had a tendency to have these touching, redeeming revelations...then find something else to make a mess of.

All: Everyone who found the thread about my brother, thank you. :) I'll update that tomorrow. I'm going to the hospital in the morning, so I should have a good indication of the 'score' then. It looks cautiously optimistic though.
 
-= 118 =-

June 1783
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania



"Very well." Thomas Jefferson, President of the United States Congress, banged his gavel. "The resolution passes." The three-state dispute over fishing rights in Long Island Sound had ended with a minimum of fuss. Life was good. "Next?"

"Your honor?" Thomas Miflin, the senior delegate from Pennsylvania stood once recognized. "Our general assembly is extremely concerned about the influx of cash into our economy, and..."

"Forgive me, Sir." Silas Deane, representing Connecticut, glanced over. "Surely the Pennsylvania assembly isn't arguing against a healthy economy?"

"Quite the opposite, sir. I phrased myself poorly I find." Miflin frowned at his colleague. "Specifically we are concerned with the liberties we've given those who print our treasury bills. Too many are entering our economy and it's driving their value down."

"He's quite right," Maryland added. "We're already seeing our goods devalued in Baltimore against those supported by older and more stable economies." Everyone nodded grimly, they were seeing the same thing in their ports.

"Pennsylvania suggests an immediate halt to printing until such time as we are able to accurately estimate the goods our states produce, establish a desirable price and so better manage this inflation."

"I hate to contest Mister Miflin." John Rutledge rose. "South Carolina shares everyone's concerns and have noted the same problems in Charleston. It must be said, however, that we are at war."

"With Indians, Mister Rutledge." John Adams, the Massachusetts delegate stood. "Your own brother has gone into exacting detail of how inferior they are and inevitable our victory. I hope there isn't some setback we need to be aware of?"

"None, sir. I simply point out it is unwise to tie our hands while military expenditures are so high."

Deane stood. "The problem I see with Mister Miflin's suggestion is that, frankly, we do not have the capability of assessing our economy as exactly as his plan would require. If we wait until we can do so, it could be years."

"Not to mention it infringes on our states' sovereign rights to regulate our own economies," Delaware snapped.

"Perhaps a compromise plan is in order?" William Ellery, the Rhode Island representative who'd helped reveal Carolina's illegal war with the Cherokee six years before stood. "It is obvious we need to get this under control, though perhaps not in as draconian a manner as Pennsylvania suggests. We need to give our printers enough liberty to keep up with any unanticipated expenses."

"Hear him," cried Clark, who'd taken over for Reverend Witherspoon after he'd died on the way from New Jersey. "Do you have any idea how this would work, Mister Ellery?"

"Not for certain, sir, but I have some ideas and I'm sure between us..."

They spent the rest of an enjoyable morning working out an acceptable compromise. Like most such agreements no one was completely satisfied, but no one felt betrayed either. All in all, Jefferson thought over an agreeable lunch, things were looking up for the fledgling Congress. At least no one had called anyone names today.

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"Mister President?" Jonathan Andrews stood up as Congress resumed. "We wish to discuss the New Hampshire Grants."

"Oh Christ!" New York roared. John Jay surged to his feet, a big man. "Why!?"

Yes, why? Jefferson thought. So much for civility.

If truth be told 'Andrews' didn't like it either. His British masters seemed intent on keeping Congress from being too friendly however, and had insisted. The spy learned long ago that displeasing the Foreign Office was a good way to end one's career...or life. He glanced around the room at the delegates. A few seemed tired and lazy after lunch, and one or two seemed eager for the fight. Most looked thoroughly displeased. The handful of visitors allowed under heavy guard watched intently.

"Because as long as we're resolving interstate disputes, which New Hampshire is grateful for, we feel it's time to resolve the Grants." Andre ignored Jay's spluttered protest. "It's a reasonable request."

"Except your predecessor discussed this," Adams groaned. "And his."

"South Carolina's interested in what Mister Andrews has to say," Rutledge informed the room mildly.

"You would be."

"Mister Adams?" Jefferson warned. "Alright, Mister Andrews. Let's hear it."

The New Hampshire Grants had been given to various individuals in the mid-eighteenth century creating several towns in land they claimed west of the Connecticut River. The problem was that New York pointed out, correctly, that the British Crown intended for them to have this land and issued their own grants. Whereas New Hampshire's owners divided their 'towns' into lots for middle class farmers and hunters, the larger state gave their tracts to rich landlords who were rarely in the area. When the Crown ruled in New York's favor they declared New Hampshire's grants null and void, though they were willing to sell the land to the 'squatters' at a sharply inflated value. The people refused and this northeastern part of New York was considered barely governable.

"Yes, yes," Andrews retorted to John Jay. "If you'll notice there isn't a single Union Jack in this room. New Hampshire does not recognize the Crown's opinion in this matter."

"Connecticut would like to remind Congress that we also have a claim," Silas Deane commented.

"Yes, yes, Connecticut has claims all over the bloody planet!" Madison of Virginia snapped. Hemmed in by its neighbors, they sought to expand into the Western and Upper Canadian Territories. "One would think everyone and everything belongs to Connecticut!"

"Yes," Deane replied. It was hard to tell if he was joking.

"If we're going to start making claims to the Green Mountains," John Adams remarked, "then Massachusetts..."

"Massachusetts can rot!" It was never entirely clear who said this, for by now the catcalls and enraged shrieks had begun and Jefferson closed his eyes. Counted to three. Stood up and started hammering on his desk.

"Order! Order!"

To his surprise the argument died away at once and all eyes turned to him. Jefferson rapped his gavel on a leather bound book by his side. It contained most of the congressional record for the past half year. "We all signed these, gentlemen," he told them soberly. "We stand together or we fall alone." Grumbling, men returned to their seats.

"Alright. Mister Andrews has made his case I believe. Mister Jay?"

The judge looked like he wanted to have a stroke. He stood shakily, red faced and pointed an accusing finger. "New York's opinion has not changed in the past decade. New Hampshire's claim is ludicrous."

"How so?" Miflin asked.

"The Green Mountains are ours!" Jay roared.

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"Order!" Jefferson rapped the gavel. "Mister Miflin?"

"I don't necessarily agree with New Hampshire's assertions, Mister President, but nor do I accept New York's explanation. The decision was rendered by King George..."

"All the state borders were set by British decree," Clark replied mildly.

"That's right!" Jay grinned. "If we're going to invalidate King George's ruling, then all the state borders are open to...adjustments."

The threat was plain. So was Miflin's glared response. Bring it.

"None of the state borders are open to adjustments, except through Congress!" Jefferson snapped.

"Congress has the right to resolve disputes, Mister President," Jay replied evenly. "Not to adjust established borders."

"I wouldn't call that border established," Andrews/Andre replied sweetly.

"I would!"

"Congress," Benjamin Hawkins replied from North Carolina's table, "has adjusted small borders before. Islands in the middle of rivers, fishing rights, occasionally a town. There is precedent." New York was one of the two major powers of the northern coalition: Humbling them could prove useful.

"Despite Mister Jay's emotion," Andrews turned to the chair, "there is a problem here and it needs to be resolved, not just with mutterings about the status quo and how it's 'always' been this way but with an answer that puts this debate to rest for all time."

The judge opened his mouth to retort, then smiled tightly. "Very well. I am certainly willing to listen to Congress' opinion on this matter."

"It has to be more than an opinion," Hawkins insisted, "or we'll just have one of the assemblies refuse it and we've all wasted our time."

"If it's a waste of time then why bother?" Jay smiled. "Let's put this ridiculous notion to rest and..."

"I'm ready to vote." John Adams looked around cooly. He was getting tired of listening to this argument every year or two.

"No one's ready to vote!" Jefferson sighed. "We'll take this up again in the morning. If there are any resolutions, that will be the time to bring it up."

Captain John Andre of His Britannic Majesty's army rose, bowed stiffly to his 'colleagues' and wondered yet again how to extricate himself from Philadelphia without rousing suspicion or anger his masters. He was so preoccupied with this problem he didn't even notice when one of the visitors rose and followed him into the street.
 
Nicely done, Cat, nicely done indeed!


You just nailed parlimentary arguements perfectly! Kudos!
 
One wonders that with all the covert individuals trying to muck things up in the States that they get anything done at all.

And Rutledge/Black's speech did make me cringe, knowing exactly where that will lead. :eek:
 
jwolf: Pretty much! The Brits feel he's in too valuable a position to let him leave, but they don't have a specific agenda right now.

J. Passepartout: You are about to meet a man who would disagree with you. :)

Draco Rexus: I'm enjoying the Congress scenes. A bunch of men who pretty much have no reason to agree on anything, especially given the self limiting Articles of Confederation, trying to run a huge country. :rofl:

coz1: Kinda like our Congress, huh?

And yes, Herr Black's just warming up I'm afraid.
 
-= 119 =-

June 1783
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania



John Andre had been born in London to French Huguenots. He grew up fluent in four languages, a charismatic individual good at poetry and comic verse, the paintbrush and the flute. As he grew the glamour and glory of military life appealed to him, but being a relatively poor merchant there was no hope of promotion in the eighteenth century Royal Army. When his father died he took over the family counting house. Andre fell in love, but the price of his lady's hand was growing rich and while waiting her passions cooled. Despondent, Andre joined the army in 1772 upon hearing of trouble in America.

Andre was captured during General Washington's campaign for control of northern New York and stayed as prisoner of war until Heyward ended the fighting in mid-1773. He wrote a long, insightful essay on colonial life and, more importantly, the American army. This secured him a promotion and the interest of the Colonial Office who in time slipped him into his current position as the senior Congressional delegate from New Hampshire.

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Captain Andre

So far so good, except Andre's primary mission, ending the second British-American war, was long over and still the Colonial and Foreign Offices wouldn't let him disappear. Having a man inside the American parliament seemed to amuse them, and there had been more than one hint that attempts to resign would be ... unpleasant. He felt trapped. He dreaded being discovered, and he took little pleasure in these attempts to shake up American government. In his book they'd won fair and square, and it was time for everyone to put away their toys, take a few deep breaths, and try to find a way to work together. British honor and prestige had been damaged, true, but how vindictive to continue this clandestine battle after the fact.

Andre pondered this as he entered Stark's Hostel and looked around the common room, dim despite the afternoon sun shining through half-shuttered windows. His home for the last year and a half was only a short walk from Independence Hall, and the friendly, casual conversations flowing about him from sailors and merchants were a welcome relief after a day's debate.

"Why Mister Andrews! It's about time! Your usual table?" Mistress Stark was a fat woman in her forties a little more interested in her clients than Christian ethic might tolerate.

"Yes," Andre nodded tiredly. "And whatever's available. I'm not choosy tonight."

Whatever was available turned out to be a watery, bitter 'something' from outside Trenton but Andre didn't complain. He held up the drink, managed a smile that made Stark's heart pound, and downed half the mug in a gulp.

She left, and Andre continued to drink gratefully. It might be swill, but politics left him feeling thirsty and somewhat dirty. He closed his eyes and let the conversations float over him. Talk of America's rising star in foreign ports - merchants in Brazil, New Spain, Portugal, France. Yes, that merchant was speaking French. Something about his ship....

It was then he felt a hulking presence across from him. Andre opened his eyes to see a stranger had joined him, a big man, over six feet (two meters) tall with short, unkempt hair and a serious, brooding expression. He regarded Andre solemnly, then without a word signaled for Stark. "Whatever he's having." he rumbled, ignoring the spy's surprised look.

"Do I know you, sir?" Andre asked once they were alone.

"You should."

"I..should?"

"Yes."

Andre looked at the man uneasily. He had the build of a laborer, maybe a farmer and the cold, perceptive eyes of a hunter. He looked around for something that might double as a weapon. "I'm ... I have not had the pleasure, I'm sure."

"According to your conversation with President (Governor) Weare of New Hampshire, you're from Bennington." The stranger accepted his drink, swallowed the mug in one gulp, then grimaced. "Your taste in beer is appalling."

"I'm from Bennington."

"Then it is strange you don't know me." Ethan Allen, leader of the Green Mountain Boys, leaned forward. "It is also strange that I don't know you, since I know everyone with a plot in the town."

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A big, dark stranger.

Andre gripped his mug tightly.

"You can imagine my surprise when I learned we had a representative in Congress," Allen added calmly.

The spy surged to his feet, catching the big American by surprise. He swung, a glancing blow that connected with Allen's forehead. He whirled for the door.

"Leave, and I will denounce you. Stay and we can do business."

Few had noticed their split second altercation. Mistress Stark hustled over. "Is everything alright Mister Andrews?"

"'Tis my fault, ma'am." Allen rose and bowed. "I gave my friend some unpleasant news. Mister Andrews, perhaps we can finish this in your room?"

Andre nodded grimly, the sensation of feeling trapped increasing. He led the big man upstairs and opened the door. He turned to speak and ran straight into Allen's beefy fist.

Several minutes later he woke on his bed. The big stranger sat nearby, toying with his pistol. Allen pointed and fired with a click and snap. Andre jumped then relaxed, remembering his weapon wasn't loaded.

"That was for hitting me."

Andre rolled out of bed, but stumbled before he could decide whether to risk another attack. His head throbbed, his tongue tasted liked he'd drunk sewer water and bile rose from his stomach. Allen caught him easily and tossed him back on the bed. "I'd stay there," he warned. "Oh," he added, tossing a dirty handkerchief. "Your nose is bleeding."

"What do you want?" Andre demanded irritably, grabbing the cloth.

"Not much, Mister Andrews. I don't know who you are. I don't know your agenda. Honestly, I don't care. You seem to have an interest in Vermont though, so you're going to help me. If you don't, then my boys and I will vow that you're not from Bennington and given the current atmosphere they'll assume you're a spy. That's when your life gets very short and very unpleasant. On the other hand, if you help me then there's no reason we can't make this work."

"And what is it you want?"
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"Mister Andrews, are you well?" Thomas Jefferson looked at the New Hampshire delegate's battered and bruised face curiously. If one looked closely at his nose they might see dried blood.

"Merely a fall." Andre grimaced, glancing at the huge visitor in the back of the room.

"Thank God," Adams joked. "I was afraid Jay had mugged you!" John Jay, the senior New York delegate, didn't smile.

"Very well." Jefferson nodded. "The chair then recognizes New Hampshire."

"Gentlemen, I've given last night's debate serious thought. I fear Judge Jay is right...." Now the New Yorker did smile. "...and we cannot legislate a solution to this dispute."

"Hear him," New Jersey nodded.

"Which is why we wish to put forth a new resolution. Mister Jefferson's excellent document asserting our independence insists that all men are created equal. In other words, that any man of sound mind and spirit has the potential to contribute in creating a fair and just government. This is ... our founding principle, yes?" A few nods. "That is why I call on Congress to prepare an election within the disputed territory..."

"An election?" Jay bellowed. "Of your squatters? I think not!"

"I want to hear him out!" Rutledge retorted from the other end of the room.

"I agree!" Ellery added from Rhode Island's desk.

"The chair continues to recognize New Hampshire!" Jefferson banged his gavel repeatedly.

"Prepare an election," Andrews repeated sternly, "wherein the people of this territory can decide if they want to be part of New York, New Hampshire, or independent."

"Independent?" Rutledge stood quickly. His instructions from Carolina were very clear on proposals for northern states. Better to let New York keep it. "This is highly irregular! The state borders are defined by treaty and...."

"And what can be defined by one treaty can be changed by another," Deane of Connecticut challenged.

"I assume New Hampshire would have their people vote. Their people have not paid taxes to the New York government. We do not acknowledge their right to vote on an issue regarding land they're squatting on!" Jay snarled.

"It's fair," insisted Ellery. "Our guiding principles state that people can decide..."

"And where do those principles end?" North Carolina rose. "Suppose one man decides to secede. One town. Do they have a right to shop from state to state looking for a reasonable settlement?"

"A man does have that right simply by moving. You cannot move an entire town!"

Jefferson banged his gavel several more times. "Order! Mister Andrews, is that the entirety of your proposal?"

"It is, though I'm willing to discuss who is part of this electorate."

"Alright. One at a time. Judge Jay?"

The New Yorker rose and glared at the New England contingent. "We acknowledge that a man may choose to move, as Mister Ellery says. That is where our agreement ends. If these people are so set on leaving New York, then we will grant them free passage to the New Hampshire or Massachusetts border. We do not yield the land. Nor can any election that does not take into account the will of the entirety of New York, through her legislature, deprive us of this land. Mister Hawkins," he nodded at North Carolina, "reminded us yesterday that Congress has resolved territorial disputes before. By mediation and compromise. We do not have the authority to mandate this, and rightfully so. The twelve American states are free and independent, not subject to this...this..."

"Interference?" Delaware offered.

"Yes."

"I quite agree," Rutledge added when he was called. "It is one thing to discuss a dispute arising from two sovereign states. This idea of adding a third state is ludicrous. Even should this vote come to pass and these 'independents' win, it yields nothing. We cannot require New York or New Hampshire to yield. Nor can we as independent states be forced to recognize a new state without the unanimous consent of Congress. We made a specific exception for Canada, but even those territories are not populated enough to set up a new government."

"This then is the question," 'Andrews' replied. "This land that people in both New York and New Hampshire bought in good faith: Does it belong to them, or to the state? If it belongs to the state, then you are saying we are no different from medieval kings parceling our land out to favorite courtiers. You are saying we are like the ... Europeans, that all power and authority is derived from the state and their kings. This may be reality," he admitted, walking to the pile of papers on the clerk's desk and tapping the oldest book, "but it's not what you wrote."

"If it belongs to them though, if we truly believe that power derives from the people and the consent of the government, then they have the fundamental right to choose to whom they owe their allegiance. Land ownership is power, let us not pretend else wise. The apprentice or tenant, the laborer in a city, what freedom does he truly have when it can be so easily wrested? New York's tried repeatedly to strip our people of their land. Whether that was justified in past days or not is no longer the issue. What is at stake, however, is whether or not we owe them our protection by guaranteeing their right to choose. If New York will concede this right to an election, then I will concede that the New Yorkers who own land may also vote. This is the only fair way." Andre caught Allen's eye, who nodded faintly in approval.

Jefferson stared at the man, wondering why he was sweating. Well, it was a warm day. "Fine. Let's vote. If you agree with Mister Andrews' proposal, signify by saying aye."

Connecticut and Rhode Island joined New Hampshire. Adams, though eager for a new northern state, didn't want such a destabilizing influence on Massachusetts' border and voted against, followed swiftly by New York and New Jersey. Pennsylvania and surprisingly Delaware supported the election, though Maryland too thought it set a bad precedent. At 5-4 all eyes turned to the south, where Rutledge, Hawkins and Madison conferred briefly...then unanimously voted down the proposal.

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By a score of 7-5, the Vermont controversy would continue.
 
Ah, politics, you just gotta love 'em!
 
Awesome update! You know how much I enjoy the continental congress meetings. So much interesting affairs going on.

One nitpick. Your comment about being born to French Huguenots reminded me of Elias Boudinot. Wasn't he the President of the Congress at this period of time? The document I had handy seemed to indicate that it was so. Of course, being that this history has been altered, I imagine it could have easily had the election with a different outcome.

Speaking of elections, with George Washington dead I have to wonder whether the united states will ever have a Executive branch. I know that the Continental Congress were worried about an American President, fearing that it would give too much power to an executive and become a monarchy and it was only Washingtons unwavering virtue, charisma and strength of character that eased such fears.
 
Very interesting. I wonder what Andrews gets out of this if he ever gets his way?

And I keep wondering what exactly is happening with the real Rutledge? Surely he is not gone forever.
 
I especially like the speech patterns you are using with the various delegates. Its interesting that the choice of a word here and there can recreate the flavor of America in the late 1700s. I hadn’t thought about it before but as Machiavellian just wrote I wonder what shape the government is going to take? How much is event driven in the game?

Joe
 
'Citizen' Andre, eh? A cautionary tale in the strange turns an agent may be forced to take. Working now for Ethan Allen and a sovereign Vermont? Stranger things have happened... but not many!

I like the flavor of the debate, and I liked Adam's 'You would be.' There's a lot of impatience packed into those three words!

The only solution I can see to the overlapping claims of the colonies is to buy them off. Expensive, but calming. ;)

It seems no one can find a better solution to the 'Indian Problem' than killing them and driving them from their land, which is sad. But the parallel debate on Vermont reminds us that settling ownership of land is one of the primary jobs of legitimate governments and clear title to land is a cornerstone of law.

The first step in training a soldier is dehumanizing the target. This is because it is easier to kill if the enemy is viewed as subhuman. It is a time-tested, thoroughly proven technique, and if only one side is allowed to make arguments the process will succeed. No need to concern yourself about some dirty, murdering savages gettting what they deserve, is there?

What the Indians need is someone who can make the case that they are human, and if possible make the case that they are entitled to the protection of the law and courts. Good luck with that.

Glad to see you're back on track and moving on.
 
When you say an 'independent' Vermont, do you mean that in the sense of a new state in the Union, or do you mean an honest to god, independent nation (completely surrounded by the United States)? Sort of like a North American San Marino (in Italy).

Another great update, quite voluminous too. But it just flew by, testament to your writing skills. I was also impressed with the political arguments made by 'Andrews'. Usually, politics is less complex in AARland and as such, Resurrection is clearly a brainier specimen of the current crop of AARs. And very enjoyably so (in fairness to AARland, though, I have to admit I've never read much of Mettermrck's 'Advantages without Obligations', which I suspect is similarly stimulating).

I enjoyed myself and am looking forward to more details on the developing Vermont situation. :)
 
Draco Rexus: Politics are always worth a smile or two. Makes you wonder how we got out of the 18th century ;)

Machiavellian: I was wondering when you were going to notice Congress was back in session :) You're correct about Boudinot: In our world he 'reigned' from November 1782 to November 1783 and oversaw the Treaty of Paris, thereby arguably becoming our first president. As you may have noticed though, 'our' history has taken a bit of a beating in this AAR. In the AAR, Thomas Jefferson became president following the second American/English War because the treaty granted Georgia to the British. Jefferson was elected president to pacify the south, who walked out over this 'betrayal.'

I honestly haven't given much thought to the final form the government will take. You make very good points: The lead contenders for a presidency right now, assuming they want a war hero, would be Benedict Arnold - not a good politician, or Thomas Heyward - who as we know has his own problems. On the other hand, with only twelve states (and thus twelve votes) Congress has already had to grant a tie-breaking vote to Jefferson, so the idea of an executive branch isn't completely foreign. I suppose if they were to settle this right now they'd probably head towards a parliamentary democracy with a President serving as what other countries would call a Prime Minister.

coz1: Simple, he gets to live. Andrews is beginning to realize he's not in control of his fate anymore. Ethan Allen has him where he wants him.... he can either play ball, or be exposed. As for the real Edward Rutledge, funny you should ask....

jwolf: Yep! It's one of the things that stood out when I read up on him. People in that age were shorter than they are today, and Allen was still well over six feet. (2 meters) He would've had to be in good shape for everything he accomplished, and he definitely wasn't above intimidation.

J. Passepartout: Nope. Like much in Congress, lots of talk and little got accomplished. :)

Storey: Very little is event driven, though as you can see I've started scripting my own again. There was a random event about now concerning restoring cities rights (-1 Centralization) which made me think it was time to stop by Congress, though as you see it didn't really come up.

I went into this last post thinking "Election! Yeah! I can do a cool writeup like in Metternch's 'Advantages without Obligations' or RossN's 'By the Patriot's Sword'." Then I started writing and determining what my different states/delegates would think, and realized Andre had his work cut out for him. While writing Jay's and John Rutledge's speech I realized the motion might fail. Then I had Andre speak and nearly convinced myself again. Talk about characters getting away from the authors!

For these close elections I use dice. I determine the rough odds each state will vote a certain way and roll 'em. For this last vote it went roughly like this: (Odds are voting Yes for NH on one six-sided die)

NH - Of course he's going to vote for his own idea. (Yes)
MA - Would like NY humbled. An extra northern state is good. Doesn't want to over-alienate NY however. Roll a die: (1-4) (No)
CT/RI - Supporting little NH against the NY bully: (1-5) (Yes, Yes)
NY - Of course not. (No)
PA - Has an ongoing rivalry with NY. (1-4) (Yes)
NJ - Tentatively relies on NY as a 'big brother'. (1-2) (No)
DE - Spoke up defending NY's sovereignty. (1-2) (Yes)
SC/NC - Doesn't want to risk a new northern state. NC will do whatever SC asks. (1) (No, No)
MD/VA - Don't really care. VA in particular is cooling towards Carolina, but isn't ready to alienate them. (1-3) (No, No)

Director: I think Andre would agree with your sentiment. His life just keeps getting stranger. Though buying off the states interested in Vermont would be useful, I'm not convinced these people could agree on a price. :D Good idea though, and it might be part of the final solution. As you said, a legitimate government simply has to figure out who owns this land once and for all.

You're right about dehumanizing the target, which is what Black is trying to do. In an ideal world Dieter von Zahringen would probably take your advice and try to open a case with Congress over Indian rights. I don't know if it would have worked, but it'd be an interesting attempt. As it is our Badener's busy defending the Cherokee against his old friend.

Stuyvesant: Yes and No. In our world, Vermont considered itself independent from I think the 1770s until they were admitted as a state in 1796. Fully indepedent. New York couldn't control it, and more than once General Washington warned Congress that if they wanted him to get the situation under control he'd need an army.

After two wars and with America more warlike than in our world, I think Allen must realize a 'San Marino' style Vermont just won't work. He's willing to have Vermont be a state, but he doesn't want to be part of New York nor New Hampshire.

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Comment: In the next post there's a word in there that I, at least, find rather offensive. I thought of softening it, but kept it in because 1) he'd probably say it, 2) I'm guessing anyone still with me after all this time is reasonably mature, and most importantly 3) because I think it helps illustrate how quickly we're cruising into dark waters. Be warned.