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I am to start playing as Russia next Friday in Conflicts and Converts, the winter revenge.

I would like to hear your views on the slider policy.

These are the sliders at start.
aristocracy = 8
centralization = 5
innovative = 5
mercantilism = 8
offensive = 5
land = 5
quality = 5
serfdom = 8

After having won the initial war with the Golden Horde Russia will get frontier country bonus, i.e. in total +1.4 settlers per year.

RUS do not get that many merchants either.

There is an event in 1495 that IIRC moves aristo -2 and another slider something I do not remember. There are massive events around 1560-1580 that especially pushes serfdom up.

I have some extraordinary ideas how to move the sliders but would like to hear your views. What is the ideal position of the sliders in say the year 1700 and what should be the say first 10 moves.
 
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Move central towards 10, offensive towards 10, quality towards 10 and land towards 10.

Dont bother to go Free subject or Plutocrazy this early, as Russia gets alot of events that push you against serfdom and aristo.
 
Thanks for your response Fredrik.

And yes, in this scenario there exists no Sibir, Nogai, Khazakstan, Chagatai or Uzbekistan. There is just an empty wilderness inhabited by natives.
 
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I agree with Fred, though nuanced... go offensive first, as shock is SO important. Go land next, as MP is important. Go quality last, since fire is important later in the russian plains. I suggest you go for centra later as that one is also very sensitive to random events.
 
in 1495 you`d better choose +2 aris, +2 serf, +800 infra, despite you receive luxury manu in Moscow.

Well, top priorities are : aris 10, offensive 9, land 10, serf 10.
I can only recommend my Russia in Destiny from 1520 http://www.europa2.ru/cgi-bin/leagu...ic&season=Valkyrie.net VI&game=VIII&choilan=2 which was played near ideal to what i aimed to. Besides i tricked there to have Astrakhan always occupied and annex it at 1540, so OE couldn`t steal it if they wanted that.

Bear in mind that you won`t be able to rise innovation for long time coz events (if you want greek culture for fun) and rising cent is doable. I think it should be low next 100 years. Look answer at Russian Dirty Times events.
 
ari: whatever the events dictate
cent: move up by slider moves
inno: let events drop it somewhat; don't use DP''s unless you have nothing else
merc: move down with slider moves
offensive: up w/ moves
land: up w/ moves
quality: no real priority
serfdom: low priority (towards serfdom)

depending on who your neighbours are, first offensive (and land) or cent; then mercantilism (at the start, you probably don't have the money for too many settlers anyway)

Russia is very suited to "backwards" sliders (essentially non-hypertech) and events are trying to keep your there, too...
 
Go Offensive (with clicks mainly), and Aristo (with events mainly). You need the cheap CAV with shock for the plains.

Go Land after this.

Go serfdom after this.

Drop Inno per events if you can, don't waste clicks for it. Go free trade if you can. You need the extra colonists for Siberia.

Other sliders are irrelevant for click purposes, even the QUAL and CEN slider. Though in the case a GM forbids vassalising at low CEN it could be worth upgrading your CEN first.

This is a Russia orienated for cheap warfare, cheap stab and colonization in Siberia. No maximised economy and techs.
 
Ah Tonio, the true Russian expert I assume :D

Why should I not choose the other way around in the 1495 event and go minus on aristo and serfdom? For the cheap cavalry price?

I can see you and many more favour offensive to get +1 shock no doubt. Well that will take me 30 years = the 4 first DP moves. For minuscle morale and +1 schock and the slider in the entirely wrong position according to my new view on slider positions in the end game (I need to make 7 moves to get it back where I want it).

And I have to look closer at this dirty bad events for Russia you are talking about. Has centra anything to do with them?
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Forzaa, thanks for your views on the cost of settlers early on. That is something I have thought about. You played RUS in Chill2 and in that game even I as ENG had trouble affording some 2.5 settlers per year. Perhaps 1.5 settlers is just fine for the moment.

If that is so I believe I would make economic slider moves first, i.e. the good old centralisation slider.

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No one cared to make a suggestion for ideal sliders in 1700 as I asked for. I could make one myself but I prefer not to put all my cards on the table. However, I need 35 slider moves to get them where I want them (there are only 22 available between 1490 and 1700) and 10 more to get them ideal for the year 1800. So one needs the events.
 
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The random events are also a factor... non-enforment of ordinances being a prime example where you will lose 1 CENT in any case.
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This can be a reason not to move the centra slider only provided

a) you will reach 0 if you do not move it
or
b) there are certain events that depends on the centra value

The non-enforcement event comes on average once a century and I start on centra = 5 so a) is from a statistical point of view irrelevant. Are there any events that has the centra value in its conditions?
 
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Why should I not choose the other way around in the 1495 event and go minus on aristo and serfdom? For the cheap cavalry price?
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Well, of course it always depends what you want to build at the end. I prefered country with a lot of cheap troops, so my census taxes 400 ducats around 1580 let me grab about 100K infantry or 50K cavalry per year. That let me made massive long wars with #1 and #2 powers of those game and grab lands and don`t mint a ducat to treasury for whole game - 80 years. If you want to play C&C OE style, sure you don`t need that :)

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I can see you and many more favour offensive to get +1 shock no doubt. Well that will take me 30 years = the 4 first DP moves. For minuscle morale and +1 schock and the slider in the entirely wrong position according to my new view on slider positions in the end game (I need to make 7 moves to get it back where I want it).
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Check 17xx Russian events, they are making BIG moves. So in fact you can have high Aristocracy for long time. Well, making shock +1 before 1550 means you will benefit of it greatly at least 100 more years and you can be safe about your south and poland, because plains are there, and not much countries can offer big cavalry wars, which you can easily manage.

Besides i may note that cheap forts and cheap cannons are good, but better shock means more for 150 years of the game. At the same time it can let you have high serfdom or low quality or even both together.

Daniel A said:
And I have to look closer at this dirty bad events for Russia you are talking about. Has centra anything to do with them?
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There are 3 triggers there, i prefer to cut Cent before other two.
 
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