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marty99 said:
My vote on him, his vote on me...didn't exactly clear him, but it made him far less likely than Wagonlitz, Split, or Randy, and that's being generous if we're assuming your vote on me was clearing. Actually...did you kill Panzer? I thought Wagonlitz was lynched...? But anyway, Panzer shouldn't even have been in the conversation on that last day. It should have been between Wagon, Split and Randy.
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And in fact with wagon's playstyle on the last day I expected the village to go "naah, he *can't* be a wolf if he's playing like that" any second.
Go figure.

But seriously, seeing who the wolves are is a lot easier if you already know who the wolves are ;-)
 
marty99 said:
My vote on him, his vote on me...didn't exactly clear him, but it made him far less likely than Wagonlitz, Split, or Randy, and that's being generous if we're assuming your vote on me was clearing. Actually...did you kill Panzer? I thought Wagonlitz was lynched...? But anyway, Panzer shouldn't even have been in the conversation on that last day. It should have been between Wagon, Split and Randy.
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My last order was to hunt Naughty with Panda as a backup, so unless EURO autolynched Naughty we didn't keel heeem and Wagon got wagonned, ironically
 
randakar said:
And in fact with wagon's playstyle on the last day I expected the village to go "naah, he *can't* be a wolf if he's playing like that" any second.
Go figure.

But seriously, seeing who the wolves are is a lot easier if you already know who the wolves are ;-)
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Oh I know, but then again, madchemist correctly guessed two of them. But I'm not saying you should have been obvious wolves. I'm simply saying the voting evidence should have put Panzer completely out of contention that day. Even if he turned out to be a wolf. Even knowing jonti is a wolf, Jonti should also not have been in contention that day.
 
marty99 said:
Oh I know, but then again, madchemist correctly guessed two of them. But I'm not saying you should have been obvious wolves. I'm simply saying the voting evidence should have put Panzer completely out of contention that day. Even if he turned out to be a wolf. Even knowing jonti is a wolf, Jonti should also not have been in contention that day.
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I kind of disagree with that last bit. It was fairly obvious that with you garnering votes on day one you were a rather juicy place for wolves to put their vote.
 
randakar said:
I kind of disagree with that last bit. It was fairly obvious that with you garnering votes on day one you were a rather juicy place for wolves to put their vote.
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Yes and no, OK it's pretty common for wolves to vote each other when a lynch is unlikely but when it's an actual possibility not so much.
It wasn't throwing away a deadwood packmate it was putting a vote on Marty at a time when I could have just as easily voted the other guy (he and Marty were TIEd for second place) saying Marty was too useful a player to risk.
 
jonti-h said:
Yes and no, OK it's pretty common for wolves to vote each other when a lynch is unlikely but when it's an actual possibility not so much.
It wasn't throwing away a deadwood packmate it was putting a vote on Marty at a time when I could have just as easily voted the other guy (he and Marty were TIEd for second place) saying Marty was too useful a player to risk.
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That's exactly what made it so juicy. :)
 
marty99 said:
Jonti? I thought jonti was by far the least obvious, personally, and madchemist agreed, as he picked split and randy, but had skobelev as the third wolf. Split and randy were quieter, as they are when they're baddies, but jonti's nearly impossible to tell unless you put him in a pressurising situation (and even then, still damn hard) which didn't happen this game.
But yes, I think you could maybe have got a wolf if Nautilu had been more active.
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Firstly as I mentioned yesterday when I tried pulling the Nautilu wagon off me, jonti could very well have voted you because he knew a switch would come although it would still be somewhat dangerous, since sometimes switches fail.

Wagonlitz said:
That leaves Panzer and jonti. jonti did make sure that marty remained in the running, but as you pointed out the wolves could have planned to do the vote switch at least ~6.5 hourse before deadline---that was when he voted marty; although vote changes most of the time go through they don't always succeed though, so it would have been safest to get marty out of the running by voting aedan instead---marty and aedan were TIEed at second place at the time.
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During the evening I began suspecting jonti more and more; both because of that vote on marty, but also because he was the last one remaining. I had started to get less certain about Panzer, although I still thought he was a wolf. I was also quite sure that if Panzer was a wolf then only one of randy and SPLIT was one too---that left jonti as a certain wolf, so if the village hadn't been totally gone I would have tried a switch on jonti around 17:00 GMT as I mentioned last night. Since Skobie appeared to be unlikely to cme back and Nautilu was very unlikely to come back I didn't bother making the effort and argue with jonti though, since it would be in vain. As you can see below when I actually mentioned my suspects Panzer agreed that jonti was a very good suspect, so it might very well have got tracktion.

Wagonlitz said:
SPLIT had played differently than in the last games. He plays like he used to do as a goodie, before he got a new job. That could indicate him being a goodie, but on the other hand he is putting more effort into the game that he has done lately, so apparently he has a bigger interest in it---or he just have more time. A bigger interest would probably equal wolf. When SPLIT is a wolf he normally doesn't fling around accusations though.
Randy has played differently. Part of it is his new strategy and he did post analysis earlier. Since then he has been pretty much absent though which is unlike him; there also was something about his analysis that. It didn't have the same randyesqueTM feeling as normally; that could be because of the severe lack of material though.

My guess for the remaining pack is therefore: Panzer, jonti and randy.
I was a bit in doubt about randy and SPLIT and has been going back on forth on them, but I think randy at the moment is more suspicious. Had we had more days things would have changed though and it would probably have been easier to single out who of SPLIT, randy and jonti that was the wolves.
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Panzer Commader said:
I've been thinking about it, I am almost certain Jonti is a wolf now. He has been pretty quiet, as though close to victory and just waiting to collect. I think he's generally more reactive when on the losing side. In addition, his "kinda-not-certain-Wagon-or-Panzer" posts seem like he wants to split the village. If we still had time, I think I'd rather choose him over you. Alas...
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My guess would be: Jonti, Split and you.
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Wagonlitz said:
I have actually wanted to switch to jonti for around 4--5 hours, but since I have such a hard time getting people off me I thought it would be counter productive to change who I wanted lynched.
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Gen. Skobelev said:
He wasn't very talkative and didn't much respond to PMs.
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I think that is how Cody in general plays; when I was packmate with him in Infernal Affairs he also didn't respond much to PMs.
Perhaps he was least obvious but since I can't get a reading from him he would have been the target of choice if we had pulled our heads from our ample bottoms. If. I even had written vote to him saying something to the effect that I'll throw the vote on a pure hunch but then didn't go with it.
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And it looks like Skobie also would have gone with my switch---still without Nautilu it would have been in vain, since you could have sniped; and Nautilu was unlikely to show up given his only post yesterday was the first post in 36 hours.

jonti-h said:
Randy was a more likely wolf, until he did some analysis.
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That analysis was actually what got me to guess he was a wolf. Sure had he not done it I would have voted him in an instant, but as I mentioned several times yesterday his analysis simply was different; it lacked something and wasn't as good and thorough as usually.

marty99 said:
Of course, I told you I was fine with it, because I planned a switch anyway, but there was no way for the village to know that, although they could have suspected it.
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And indeed we did as was mentioned in several posts yesterday including the one I quoted above.

randakar said:
It had to be done. I want to play like a baddie in the beginning of the game, but on the last day the rubber hits the road and I will have to pull out all the stops to win as a villager, so as a wolf I will have to do the same.
The hard part was not pointing at SPLIT and me voting Aedan on day one and going, "Look, that's where your wolves are hiding, isn't it obvious??"
Because really, it probably wasn't, and in any case I wasn't going to draw attention to it. :p
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You still was lacking something. What did you think when reading all my comments about your analysis not being as randyesqueTM as usual?
What really got me though was how somehow the village took my comment about how day 1 was *the* time to vote for marty the wolf and chose wagonlitz as their best suspect based on that. :D
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That indeed was idiotic and I would still like Nautilu to answer what he meant by the comment that I stood by the TIE that killed two villagers. He can only mean the second TIE during which I was sleeping and hadn't posted in hours; so apparently you are suspicious for sleeping around deadline.:wacko: A shame he immediately went inactive after making that vote post.
 
I was pretty surprised how many villagers bought the argument that I alibi voted marty on Day 1. I thought that I did a decent job of defending myself, but sheep gonna be sheep.
 
LatinKaiser said:
I was pretty surprised how many villagers bought the argument that I alibi voted marty on Day 1. I thought that I did a decent job of defending myself, but sheep gonna be sheep.
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They came to the slaughter, like children to an ice cream truck
 
WW Lite CCCI is up!
 
marty99 said:
Not everyone's as ruthless in selling out packmates as you are, randy. ;)
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I'm not, though. At least, not anymore.
I haven't voted a packmate even once this game, remember?

jonti-h said:
That was why I did it, but it would have at the very least made me a poor suspect
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Should have, perhaps. You know how it goes - the very thing that is supposed to make you look *less* suspicious can be used against you to make you look *more* suspicious.

Wagonlitz said:
You still was lacking something. What did you think when reading all my comments about your analysis not being as randyesqueTM as usual?
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Well, it wasn't. I didn't go back and reread absolutely everything, the way I tend to do.

I did that for more reasons than just being a wolf, though. This game thread was quite short - I didn't *need* to reread everything.
Besides, something I didn't mention is that I've had a heavy cold the past three days on top of a rather nasty bout of sleep deprivation induced by my son picking up the habit of waking up a 3 am and crying in his bed for various reasons.. I wasn't exactly feeling well enough to summon up the energy.

What I did post was really a bit of a minimal thing, designed to throw people off the scent just enough to get them to look elsewhere. It wasn't nearly as thorough as it could have been had I (been able to) invest the corresponding amount of energy. It also lacked my usual villager thing of throwing votes out, or listing people in order of suspicion level.

That being said - I, frankly, can't guarantee that I will be able to do that every time as a villager. One of the reasons I quit some time ago was simply because it was sucking up too much time and energy. Making that kind of post does not help with that.
 
marty99 said:
I've actually said multiple times recently that this is a golden age of paradox werewolf we've been going through this year. It's the most promising batch of players in many years.
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Yep, mostly it has been decent games. When I returned I was slightly horrified by the 15-pagers that had been played recently but seems to be in pretty good now.


jonti-h said:
I don't think anyone has said everyone was an ace in the old days, although I admit it's easy to sound like some kind of Werewolfing Geoff Boycott.

There definitely were more characters in the past.
Ironhead 5 with his very unique brand of play, Olaus Petrus (although not very good) was another.
Then you have AOK who was brilliant at analysis and even better at lying, Bash with his long walls of text (invariably wrong but entertaining) and a bunch of others.
There was a lot of RP too, but that isn't taking away from today's players.
We had noobs back in the day just as we do now, and good players the same.

Analysis worked then because 1) it was new and 2) only 2 players initially knew how to do it.
If AOK came back now and tried to do the same things as then it wouldn't work because the metagame is different.
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You don't consider pjnlsn or some others as individuals with distinctive behaviour..?


Lemeard said:
LK, get it up.
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:huh:
 
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