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What I liked about the Endless Space ship design approach is that each species' ships had a very distinct look - and individual sized hulls were all clean, attractive variations on that core design. Designing ships was simple, non-fussy and straightforward, so I didn't find it a chore. Watching the battles was very nice - I liked watching my ships "sailing" around during the battle.
An aesthetic designer would be a nice option for future DLC I think. The key thing with the core game is to design visually distinct, easily-identifiable ships for each fleet. Only when that's done can you see about maybe throwing programmers and artists at custom ship design stuff.
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I can understand that but I believe that stellaris should let you designed your own ship. I don't want all the mammalian ships to look the same. And if you don't limit the ships to the species group but give each race their own that limits your number of races.
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The sad thing is that even on Earth humanity has some pretty unique traits. The only other animal that sweats is the horse, and we can survive wounds that would easily kill other creatures. Although it's not a uniquely human adaptation, I can definitely see how adrenaline/epinephrine, when compared to species that don't have it, would be a major advantage. We fit the role of a hard to kill, enduring species, and on top of that a lot of human cultures (I.E. all of them) praise bravery and revile cowardice, so it even makes sense from a cultural/psychological standpoint.
And yet we're always the jack-of-all-trades because people always approach it from the standpoint of "humans are the only example of a sapient race we have, so let's make everyone else start off with the same template". Every alien race is just humans with makeup that are better in some things and worse in others. Even if people insist on every race being bipedal, there's still room for variation. Humans don't always have to be good at everything.
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Humans would make perfect space-kobolds, if anyone went with a traditional folklore template for interstellar races.
It's funny and interesting trying to put humans on the scale of other aliens (on sci-fi standards, not ACTUAL aliens). I think our perception on "humans being the jack of all trades" is also influenced by our desire to make humans the "good guys" while at the same time addressing some of our flaws.
If anything, in terms of Stellaris, I would view humans as INCREDIBLY xenophobic. I mean, think about it, most of the times we are imaging alien life, we imagine alien life trying to kill us or destroy Earth, and us saving the day somehow. Humans I'd also see as militaristic (though maybe not fanatically militaristic, though it depends which human culture is in charge, though America is and will always rule the Earth because movies), and really the only big redeeming feature I see with humans is some level of individualism and materialism. Basically, in game, I imagine humans as incredibly jingoistic economy-centered creatures, who would try to control as much of the galactic market as possible with colonizing planets with great resources and restricting trade.
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Well, therein lies the problem. Although we're all but certain intelligent life must exist elsewhere in the galaxy, we haven't encountered any - so we have no comparisons to go by. Are we incredibly peaceful or incredibly violent? Are we xenophobic or xenophilic? Collectivist or individualist, materialist or spiritualist? And that's just listing the ethics Stellaris uses. Are we smart or dumb, strong or weak, rapidly or slowly reproducing, isolationist or expansionist? It's really difficult to say what makes humanity unique when there's literally nothing out there that could we could be unique against.
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Yup. We're making predictions about the universe with a sample size of 1. Will aliens be like vulcans, or the zerg swarm? Who knows...
FWIW, I usually end up playing humans almost exclusively. I take comfort in the familiar I guess
@OP: Well, history terrifies me when it comes to any Meet the Technologically Advantaged Neighbor scenario wherein you are not the technologically advantaged neighbor, so as a matter of survival it makes sense to do everything in your power to ensure you are the biggest fish or preferably the ONLY fish. To that end, I suspect my first run through will make the Emperor proud... Besides, starfish aliens just don't appeal, though I'd happily play a genetically re-engineered Terran offshoot.
After that, I think it'd be awesome to test the engine's capacity for negligent precursors. Step one, establish galactic government. Step two, scatter some robots, genetically engineered super-species. Step 3, engineer a catastrohpic collapse of society and watch as your children fall upon themselves in your sudden absence.
. No, sweating is not unique to Humans, we're just really good at it. If dogs couldn't sweat, then why exactly do you think they smell so... pleasant in the heat of summer? Most mamals can sweat, just not nearly as much as humans do.
But yeah, I otherwise agree, that's why we are always "the middle," it's literally anthropocentrism. I always like to imagine humans as skirting the edge of the irrelevance/self-termination scale: at the far end, you have societies or species which are so "good" or "passive" that they never develop the impetus to advance into a starfaring race vs the other end where societies or species are so"bad" that they wipe themselves out before being able to reach the stars. I see humans as right on the edge of self destruction rather than some "middle" race. Remember, we reached for the stars... because it was a good way to drop nukes on each other and/or to pretend we weren't developing better ways to drop nukes on each other...
To our credit, it makes us monsters whom the rest of the universe would do well not to agitate, provided their technological edge isn't overwhelming.
Woe betide the universe should some alien come and drop a bunch of tech on us...
After that, I think it'd be awesome to test the engine's capacity for negligent precursors. Step one, establish galactic government. Step two, scatter some robots, genetically engineered super-species. Step 3, engineer a catastrohpic collapse of society and watch as your children fall upon themselves in your sudden absence.
This myth wont die
. No, sweating is not unique to Humans, we're just really good at it. If dogs couldn't sweat, then why exactly do you think they smell so... pleasant in the heat of summer? Most mamals can sweat, just not nearly as much as humans do.Plenty of species have sapience, we just refuse to acknowledge it because of the unfortunate implications. It's also hard to quantify, and there is no objective "line" that can be drawn between the rudimentary sapience of some animals and the anthropocentrically "complete" sapience of others (namely humans).
But yeah, I otherwise agree, that's why we are always "the middle," it's literally anthropocentrism. I always like to imagine humans as skirting the edge of the irrelevance/self-termination scale: at the far end, you have societies or species which are so "good" or "passive" that they never develop the impetus to advance into a starfaring race vs the other end where societies or species are so"bad" that they wipe themselves out before being able to reach the stars. I see humans as right on the edge of self destruction rather than some "middle" race. Remember, we reached for the stars... because it was a good way to drop nukes on each other and/or to pretend we weren't developing better ways to drop nukes on each other...
To our credit, it makes us monsters whom the rest of the universe would do well not to agitate
, provided their technological edge isn't overwhelming.Woe betide the universe should some alien come and drop a bunch of tech on us...
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Well, we're still really really good at sweating, like you said (never thought I'd write a sentence saying that but here we are).
Personally, I like to view humanity as a sort of "chaotic good". We're absolutely insane and will murder each other en masse, but the fact we at least try to hide it under the guise of a good cause shows that we have the best interests at heart. Even the worst of the worst can rarely bring themselves to admit they did what they did for no real reason. And if we were to run into some objectively evil (at least from our perspective) enemy, like the Borg or the Buggers/Formics... well, I don't think we'd hold anything back. But then again, I'm fairly optimistic. We could easily be seen as nothing more than bloodthirsty brutes, or greedy bastards looking for ways to screw each other over. But conversely, we could also be rational scientists, or peace-loving cooperators.
I guess it really does come down to the fact we haven't met something quite as intelligent as us - and probably never will! I'm certain human civilization will one day, even if that day is thousands of years from now, run into another similarly intelligent civilization. But the way they think and act will be different from the way we do, no matter how similar in shape we may be. Sure we may be able to hold a meaningful conversation with one, but... the little things that make them tick won't be quite the same as ours.
Personally, I like to view humanity as a sort of "chaotic good". We're absolutely insane and will murder each other en masse, but the fact we at least try to hide it under the guise of a good cause shows that we have the best interests at heart. Even the worst of the worst can rarely bring themselves to admit they did what they did for no real reason. And if we were to run into some objectively evil (at least from our perspective) enemy, like the Borg or the Buggers/Formics... well, I don't think we'd hold anything back. But then again, I'm fairly optimistic. We could easily be seen as nothing more than bloodthirsty brutes, or greedy bastards looking for ways to screw each other over. But conversely, we could also be rational scientists, or peace-loving cooperators.
I guess it really does come down to the fact we haven't met something quite as intelligent as us - and probably never will! I'm certain human civilization will one day, even if that day is thousands of years from now, run into another similarly intelligent civilization. But the way they think and act will be different from the way we do, no matter how similar in shape we may be. Sure we may be able to hold a meaningful conversation with one, but... the little things that make them tick won't be quite the same as ours.
Not first anyway. I plan to purge the xenos as something totally alien first. Possibly a more mellow game as humans after that
*Spits up his morning soup* Play? Humans? One of the dumbest and idiotic races in existence...? Please report to your local Maester... I think he needs to have a word with you...
As a reptilian myself, I would so enjoy playing as an Avian. With four points, head, end of tail, and the edge of each wing, an avian forms two triangles standing on each other, just like we reptilians made at the Louvre. Am I confirming illuminati? no, you never heard of us
I probably wont play human much, only to make the imperium of man, otherwise I will first try out Avian and something that looks Tau.
I probably wont play human much, only to make the imperium of man, otherwise I will first try out Avian and something that looks Tau.
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I'll probably start with humans but ill try plenty of species, that said I dont Think I'll ever play xenophobic humans... what a cliché.
He hates warhammer 40k not warhammer, warhammer is fantasy battles and that setting was a far more awesome setting. Not that I mind warhammer 40k that much myself only the internets wierd fetish for the imperium, now excuse my while I... DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR!
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Personally, i started with Warhammer Fantasy back in the day (not liking the new Age of Sigmar nonsense though), but eventually switched to 40K as I love space stuff..
That said, having versed myself immensely in the lore (I could get a Degree on the subject these days) I am flabbergasted at the almighty cock ups the Emperor managed to achieve in order to get where he is "today". He dropped the ball, several times, which led to the Heresy and his internment.
So I do sympathise with those who shout "DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR! "
That said, if he does die, chances are he will be reborn as an entity far more powerful than all the Chaos God's combined... perhaps that was the plan after all? Who are we to second guess the God Emperors plans?
DIE HERETIC!