so the EULA appears as though this will scan our computer's content to market to us..

[user700]

(from section 7, I bolded some points) "In addition, Paradox shall also have the right to collect technical information from You, such as computer configuration, browser type, platform type, internet service provider (ISP) and software usage, which are gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, product support and other services related to the Software Product.

Paradox may use any collected information to improve its products, administer the Game, analyze trends, or to provide services or technologies to End User. In addition, Paradox may use End User’s software usage information for the purpose of research, development, administration, support and marketing of Paradox products and services."

 

[user700]

do you even know of the many Youtube LP'ers of Paradox games? Arumba07, Quill18, Mathas, Northerlion,Shenryyr,Kailvin, Marbozir ect

some of these people have even gone to Stockholm and talked with Paradox employees

Why would they not let this game of all the others not be on Youtube

EDIT: Also do you not realize the EULA is basically the same for most Paradox games, for example, I just looked at EU4s its literally the exact same and I watch peoples Youtube videos of EU4 everyday

Some major game companies have been removing game content that they do not agree with. As in selectively enforcing youtube video copyrights to only show ones that show the game in a positive light. I didn't say it is a problem with this company, just that people need to be aware of it as it could be considered against the EULA and modding especially could cross a line where people could end up in trouble because again they want full immunity for anything and everything while the player is responsible for anything and everything.

 

[Azurespecter]

Some major game companies have been removing game content that they do not agree with. As in selectively enforcing youtube videos to only show ones that show the game in a positive light. I didn't say it is a problem, just that people need to be aware of it as it could be considered against the EULA and modding especially could cross a line where people could end up in big trouble because again they want full immunity for anything and everything while the player is responsible for anything and everything except.

I guess the key here is if you trust Paradox Interactive. EULA's tend to be over-encompassing because we never know what we might need protection from. I can assure you though, that Paradox Interactive has no intention of using these agreements to the detrimental affect of our fans and customers. We're in the business of delivering you top notch products, not backhanded lawsuits.

 

[Greyhamster]

Oh boy, that's thread number 3. How long will you continue spamming the forums?

No, I just think it is worrying the positions that it takes, this seems like something that if more people know about they would not be happy about.


please feel free to PM me, but I think the best way to handle the software usage would make this an option on install if you insist on having it at all, with the most ethically be "opt in" and not "opt out". I want this game to be great and hate to see it tangled up in such a thing that is this intrusive without a great benefit from it. Or at a minimum let us know exactly what the limits of such "software usage" information extends to

You can always opt out of a EULA at install. The only catch is that you don't get to install unless you opt in.

 

[peteij]

Some major game companies have been removing game content that they do not agree with. As in selectively enforcing youtube videos to only show ones that show the game in a positive light. I didn't say it is a problem, just that people need to be aware of it as it could be considered against the EULA and modding especially could cross a line where people could end up in big trouble because again they want full immunity for anything and everything while the player is responsible for anything and everything except.

If you use the mod tools provided in an expected manner, there is no issue. If you use them to profit from someone else's copyright material, spread racist abuse, or put private pictures of a girlfriend on the side of a building then you are liable for any resulting legal action and any costs that arise.

The only thing anyone needs to be aware of, is that you should act like a responsible adult. The EULA can only be of concern to you if you plan to abuse the trust of Paradox, it's customers, or any other third party.

 

[Person012345]

I guess the key here is if you trust Paradox Interactive. EULA's tend to be over-encompassing because we never know what we might need protection from. I can assure you though, that Paradox Interactive has no intention of using these agreements to the detrimental affect of our fans and customers. We're in the business of delivering you top notch products, not backhanded lawsuits.

And like I said, the implications that the OP is trying to say are there are illegal anyway. Good luck getting any court to agree that a settlement awarded to someone in a lawsuit against you should be collectively paid for by everyone who happened to buy your game, let alone courts in every country you sell to.

 

[space monk]

I don't see the reason for the pile-on. The guy made his point and they are valid. Attempts to decipher some sort of motive (ulterior or otherwise) is not productive. I wish more folks would read the print and ask pertinent questions--but whatever. If he doesn't agree with the EULA then like the previous poster advises--opt out and move on. There are seriously more important social issues beyond the scope of a gaming site and each of those have a much more appropriate arena to deal with.

Cheers all

 

[Mav12]

I don't see the reason for the pile-on. The guy made his point and they are valid. Attempts to decipher some sort of motive (ulterior or otherwise) is not productive. I wish more folks would read the print and ask pertinent questions--but whatever. If he doesn't agree with the EULA then like the previous poster advises--opt out and move on. There are seriously more important social issues beyond the scope of a gaming site and each of those have a much more appropriate arena to deal with.

Cheers all

Well its probably due to the OP being a icon-less newbie poster who has so far only made and commented in multiple EULA threads (when arguably only 1 EULA thread was needed) and what to many seems like there only creating a troll discussion by getting people who disagree riled up by repeatedly saying the same thing and/or not changing opinion. Another factor could be in us Paradox fans, seeing this person spread doubts about a company we all trust and been loyal customers to for years and getting in denial/defensive

 

[Danny-Dynamita]

Slavery was considered commonplace for much of human history, just because a lot of people do it, it does not make it any more acceptable

Comparing slavery to this could even be an offense to any slave or abolitionist out there.

Also, try to inform you at least a little more about things before spamming the forums. Saying "I can fire guns" doesn't mean "I can kill people" the same way "I can scan your computer" doesn't mean "I can steal, sell, misuse or spread your personal information". These are more or less minor things like "DLC Scans" which make the game check if you have all of the DLC and tell you in case you don't have one (like the ads from CK2's main menu) or a scan for technical info at most (and in most cases with further request from their part asking with an ingame pop-up if you will allow them to do such a thing). Actually, whenever there's any function that actually SENDS some info to them they have a pop-up which awaits your confirmation, all the other scans are completely local.

 

[lemonsquid]

Well its probably due to the OP being a icon-less newbie poster who has so far only made and commented in multiple EULA threads (when arguably only 1 EULA thread was needed) and what to many seems like there only creating a troll discussion by getting people who disagree riled up by repeatedly saying the same thing and/or not changing opinion. Another factor could be in us Paradox fans, seeing this person spread doubts about a company we all trust and been loyal customers to for years and getting in denial/denfensive

Paradoxians Assemble!

lol

 

[Lee Saxon]

I don't see the reason for the pile-on. The guy made his point and they are valid. Attempts to decipher some sort of motive (ulterior or otherwise) is not productive.

Well its probably due to the OP being a icon-less newbie poster who has so far only made and commented in multiple EULA threads (when arguably only 1 EULA thread was needed) and what to many seems like there only creating a troll discussion by getting people who disagree riled up by repeatedly saying the same thing and/or not changing opinion. Another factor could be in us Paradox fans, seeing this person spread doubts about a company we all trust and been loyal customers to for years and getting in denial/defensive

I'm going with space monk on this. Whatever the guy's motives (which, we can infer from the batshit slavery comment, aren't great), his points are still valid. The rush to shut the discussion down both by mods and especially by other customers is a bit strange.

 

[Lee Saxon]

These are more or less minor things like "DLC Scans" which make the game check if you have all of the DLC and tell you in case you don't have one (like the ads from CK2's main menu) or a scan for technical info at most (and in most cases with further request from their part asking with an ingame pop-up if you will allow them to do such a thing). Actually, whenever there's any function that actually SENDS some info to them they have a pop-up which awaits your confirmation, all the other scans are completely local.

Well, you hope / trust they'll voluntarily limit themselves this way. The EULA doesn't.

 

[Tuscan]

Depends on the EULA, if it's designed to monitor the way I game to help improve products, and improve my gaming experience, so what?

 

[Inge Jones]

delivering you top notch products, not backhanded lawsuits.

Neat soundbite there! Thought of a career in politics?

 

[unmerged(279501)]

I do not care about EULA. These have, at least here in Germany, hardly any legal basis. Most of what is written in such EULA contradicts german law.

 

[GMeador]

I'm wondering why he didn't just link the EULA and let us decide what parts are important. Instead he's made multiple posts about the parts he's concerned with... and assuming that we should be too (I'm not).

One post would've done it.

 

[BiB]

EULA threads merged and closed. See postsby Azurespecter (PM's) for EULA matter follow up if such inclined.