All cultures: that is, everyone that previously used "Western" style, late era bascinets or great helms. These will only appear after 1250. Instead you'll be seeing a lot of regular nasal helmets in use during the earlier centuries.
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All cultures: that is, everyone that previously used "Western" style, late era bascinets or great helms. These will only appear after 1250. Instead you'll be seeing a lot of regular nasal helmets in use during the earlier centuries.
I had to find a compromise year to choose since the way the portrait properties are set up right now seemingly doesn't allow me to make distinctions between the late 12th century and the much later bascinets; while some of the great helms should probably appear already around 1200, I chose a slightly later date, so having the occasional bascinet appear won't seem entirely off.
Sounds good to me. Is it possible to make distinctions between cultures though ?
I'm not entirely sure, but I think it'd be a bit tricky. This portrait modding is not my forte. I haven't really looked into it much apart from finding an easy solution to the problem I had with these late style helmets being used way too early.
It would be great, of course, if one could make a distinction both in terms of years for each model, and in which cultures they'd emerge first, etc. That'd definitely be something I'm sure many people would appreciate: a more detailed and varied depiction of armour and helmet use in Western Europe through the different stages; but I don't think it's something I'll do. I think that'd be a job for the CPR team, and I'd very much encourage it myself. They keep improving so many aspects, so it would be only right for them to look into this (rather jarring, I'd say) anachronistic setup.
Hey @Erilaz ! This mod makes HIP so much more fun for me, even if I don't play Norse character that often. Great work! I really appreciate the new No Bascinet submod, it always bothered me to see late medieval helmets in earlier times.
I have one question regarding the No Bascinet Submod though. In my current game as the Count of Tolosa, although I correctly installed and activated the mod (doubleckecked), my character is still wearring a Bascinet. I installed HIP with the ARKO-Pack and the CPRPlus options.
I have one question regarding the No Bascinet Submod though. In my current game as the Count of Tolosa, although I correctly installed and activated the mod (doubleckecked), my character is still wearring a Bascinet. I installed HIP with the ARKO-Pack and the CPRPlus options.
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Thank you for the kind words!
Yes, I'm aware of that particular helmet still showing up. What my small mod does is disable the "High Martial Headgear" for Western characters before 1250, so that means all the lower tier headgears are still available (including kettle helmets and a couple of bascinets without visor).
These are the ones that are disabled before 1250 currently:
Since you mentioned it now, I'll give it another go and have a look at improving the mod, so early great helms appear earlier, and so all bascinets are banished to the late game. I'll see what I can do.
All right. I've been able to solve most of my issues (and gotten to know a bit more about portrait modding). So, this is how it's going to look now:
Instead of the 1250 limit for all the Western "High Martial Headgears", they've been divided into 1150 (great helms) and 1300 (bascinets).
Modding the lower tier "Military Headgears" is a bit more restricted, since there's only one piece available for each culture. That meant that I had to completely remove the bascinets (they won't appear later), and instead replace them with another type. For that I've chosen the pretty neutral "Early Western" type that is only used for early cultures otherwise - but I thought it was quite fitting as a neutral alternative. It's mostly used now for Italian and French cultures (all those that formerly used the bascinets).
If you have any suggestions for better replacements, please tell me.
Here's the new version:
Instead of the 1250 limit for all the Western "High Martial Headgears", they've been divided into 1150 (great helms) and 1300 (bascinets).
Modding the lower tier "Military Headgears" is a bit more restricted, since there's only one piece available for each culture. That meant that I had to completely remove the bascinets (they won't appear later), and instead replace them with another type. For that I've chosen the pretty neutral "Early Western" type that is only used for early cultures otherwise - but I thought it was quite fitting as a neutral alternative. It's mostly used now for Italian and French cultures (all those that formerly used the bascinets).
If you have any suggestions for better replacements, please tell me.
Here's the new version:
Omg @Erilaz I am merely a few hours away and youre doing your magic again! Ill check it out immediately!
Ok checked it out! Working so far very well, although I think it only works for males, on female characters I still see the Bascinet or Sallet. Now we only need some more Nasal helmet/cervelliere variety within CPR. IMO it lacks some painted variations though I dont know if that would be even possible :-D
I didn't even think about the women. Why are Christian medieval women wearing helmets!? Do you play with Jeanne d'Arc or something? :-þ
I know how to fix it. I'll have a look at it again soon.
You think the replacement helmet is a good choice, or do you prefer one of the other alternatives?
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You are a genius! Making HIP even mor immersive by the minute! I did some research on the most common helmet types during the period and came up with either:
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The Cervelliera (the type you used mostly resembles this, especially since they were also often worn in combination with a coif.)
It was mostly worn in Southern European regions like Italy, Southern France, Iberia and therefore widely in use within the later Crrusader States.
b.) The Nasal helmet which was also widely used in all of Europe until the mid-13th Century, although it is commonly associated with the Normans because of the cultural exchange after they settled down in Northern France and Southern Italy.
I only quickly cross-checked Wikipedia and Wendelin Boeheim: Handbuch der Waffenkunde. Das Waffenwesen in seiner historischen Entwickelung vom Beginn des Mittelalters bis zum Ende des 18. Jahrhunderts (= Seemanns kunstgewerbliche Handbücher, which is the standard handbook on medieval and early modern weaponry in my history class.
Hence the choice really boils down to wether you have to choose one over another or could combine both for the Italian and French cultures or not. If you have to choose one over the other, I think you should go for the Cervelliera since AFAIK its not being used by the game files after 950 or so (im not sure with this though). Also: exchanging it for another Nasal type helmet waters down diversity.
Thank you so much for providing us with this Submod.
a.)
The Cervelliera (the type you used mostly resembles this, especially since they were also often worn in combination with a coif.)
It was mostly worn in Southern European regions like Italy, Southern France, Iberia and therefore widely in use within the later Crrusader States.
b.) The Nasal helmet which was also widely used in all of Europe until the mid-13th Century, although it is commonly associated with the Normans because of the cultural exchange after they settled down in Northern France and Southern Italy.
I only quickly cross-checked Wikipedia and Wendelin Boeheim: Handbuch der Waffenkunde. Das Waffenwesen in seiner historischen Entwickelung vom Beginn des Mittelalters bis zum Ende des 18. Jahrhunderts (= Seemanns kunstgewerbliche Handbücher, which is the standard handbook on medieval and early modern weaponry in my history class.
Hence the choice really boils down to wether you have to choose one over another or could combine both for the Italian and French cultures or not. If you have to choose one over the other, I think you should go for the Cervelliera since AFAIK its not being used by the game files after 950 or so (im not sure with this though). Also: exchanging it for another Nasal type helmet waters down diversity.
Thank you so much for providing us with this Submod.
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If you try it with the nasal one, maybe you could use one of the East African Nasal helmet types. They are not beeing used anywhere in Europe and would be somethhing different thanm the ones the Norman, Germanic and Saxon culture groups use.
All right. Replaced the female helmets as well, and made a new one by combining one of the East African nasal helmets with the chain mail of the early western one. So now the Italian characters (excluding the Ligurians) use a nasal helmet, while the French (as well as Ligurians, Bretons, and Welsh) characters use the early western:
Here's the update:
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Here's the update:
EDIT: Very minor correction (the small white pixel on his left eyebrow was removed). Please download again if you got it before this edit.
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Youre awesome! This is exactly what I meant. Awesome!
EDIT: Just saw that the Units Italian Units DLC also uses for one of their units a helmet similar to the early western one. Is it a lot of work to maybe change the early western helmet to Italy and the Nasal helmet to France?
EDIT2: Also stumbled upon these
EDIT: Just saw that the Units Italian Units DLC also uses for one of their units a helmet similar to the early western one. Is it a lot of work to maybe change the early western helmet to Italy and the Nasal helmet to France?
EDIT2: Also stumbled upon these
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Cheers, mate.
Well, I gave the nasal helmet to the Italian cultures mostly because I thought it suited them better than especially the Bretons and Welsh characters (that share assets with the French). And hey: King Louis the Fat is wearing one without a nose guard!
Youre right! Works perfectly for me
EDIT: I tried it out and its really cool! I guess I have to finish my Toulouse Campaign ASAP and start an Italian one
EDIT: I tried it out and its really cool! I guess I have to finish my Toulouse Campaign ASAP and start an Italian one