Survey: Which non-europeans you'd play MP?

[binTravkin]

Greetings!

The situation is as follows:

- The game is a CK convert
- All european nations start with L5, N0, T1, I3 for research levels
- The entire CK area* has been conquered and converted (90% catholic)
- Most European nations span over several GC countries**

* - CK Area = all of he Europe, up to the Urals and Sea of Azov In East, Canarias and Morocco in South West and 1/2 persia included to South East, as well as the whole North Africa.
** - The biggest are Poland spanning over Poland, Lithuania, Russia and Hungary covering Hungary, Crimea, Georgia, area between Caspian and Azov seas, most of Persia, in other words very powerful.

So the question is - which Non-European nations except China an MP player would be interested to take and try making something out of it.

The closest I can think of are:
Delhi / Hyderabad / Vyjanagar
Timurid Empire
Japan

Your ideas?

 

[unmerged(11287)]

CK??? this is EU2's section.

 

[binTravkin]

Are all EU2 players so uneducated about other Paradox games?

There's an option to convert a CK savegame to EU2 one and many use it to play games like:
1066-1419: CK
1419-1820: EU2
with probable continuation in Vicky and even HoI2

So basically, Im talking about a CK MP game which upon hitting 1419-01-01 will be continued in EU2.

 

[unmerged(18425)]

So the question is - which Non-European nations except China an MP player would be interested to take and try making something out of it.

The closest I can think of are:
Delhi / Hyderabad / Vyjanagar
Timurid Empire
Japan

Your ideas?

Persia, Mughal Empire (Timurids become them right?), and Japan come to mind.

 

[binTravkin]

Ok,
Persia is not present at 1419,
Mughal Empire starts as Timurid Empire and I would really like to hear someone commenting taking it in MP, I've always thought it's a screwed place to be.

 

[unmerged(21937)]

Timurids are good, if you can weather the awful revolts of the first century. It rocks compared to countries starting in India with its kick-ass leaders and monarchs (Babur, Akbar).

 

[unmerged(18425)]

Mughal Empire starts as Timurid Empire and I would really like to hear someone commenting taking it in MP, I've always thought it's a screwed place to be.

Dunno about Timurids, most mp campaigns start later than 1419.

Playing the Mughals is fun if there are many Europeans. You can go for India, trying to keep the Cots out of hands of the Euro's, invade Persia and then the OE...or even try to go for Siberia.

A great mogul is a very, very dangerous fellow in a mp game

 

[wilcoxchar]

By any chance is this situation the March Through Time mp game for CK? Because this sounds very similar to it.

 

[TheArchMede]

Starting 1419, the Timurids are a real pain to play, but outside of Europe and China, they are the only really playable nation because they are the only one that gets a decent quantity of good monarchs and leaders. Manchu is an alternative to China, but only if China is AI.

 

[unmerged(32886)]

Starting 1419, the Timurids are a real pain to play, but outside of Europe and China, they are the only really playable nation because they are the only one that gets a decent quantity of good monarchs and leaders. Manchu is an alternative to China, but only if China is AI.

I agree and have nothing more to add.
Just one reason: the reason for starting this thread...

 

[binTravkin]

By any chance is this situation the March Through Time mp game for CK? Because this sounds very similar to it.

Sure it is, but don't tell anyone..

Just one reason: the reason for starting this thread...

If it is a question, then I can answer that the reason was to get to know whom I will need to fight and against whom to defend in an 1066-1920+ MP game called March Through Time, currently at the very end of CK stage.

So, basically noone sees Japan feasible near a human China?
Indian nations like Vyjanagar/Hyderabad?
Oman (2 CoTs from the start!)?

 

[unmerged(21937)]

Playing Japan is a major pain by its endless revolts until early 17th century. Not to mention it still remains all too weak and backward to be really powerful compared to Europeans.

There is room for just one nation in India and imho Timurids fit the spot best. Vijs might make a good alternative option by being Hindu and all.

Oman, even with two CoTs, is poor as hell. Not to mention, that two CoTs = very juicy target for European imperialists.

To be realistic, with vanilla non-European setup, as is the case with CK conversions, the only viable powers to stand up to Europe are China and an Indian power.

EDIT: PS. There might be potential with Songhai too.

 

[unmerged(18425)]

Oman, even with two CoTs, is poor as hell. Not to mention, that two CoTs = very juicy target for European imperialists.

We briefly had a discussion to have a human played Oman in a multiplayer campaign (Return of the Slarg iirc), but decided they would either be steamrolled by the Ottomans or function as a semi Portugal for the Ottomans. None of that would be very interesting to have over other nations.

binTravkin,

Which European nations are included in the campaign? Super Poland and?

 

[binTravkin]

EDIT: PS. There might be potential with Songhai too.

Doubt anyone is going to play nation with 'exotic' tech group.
Pretty much suicidal IMO (especially the time when Europe is at Land9 while you at Land2-3).

binTravkin,

Which European nations are included in the campaign? Super Poland and?

Hehe, here's a list:
Super Poland = Poland + Lihuania + Russia + Ukraine + Bohemia
Uber Hung[a]ry = Hungary, Vallachian area, Crimea, Georgia, Armenia, most of Persia (Timurids are cropped a bit here, don't have a CoT!)
Huge Norway - Norway, Sweden, Finland, North Germany, North Russia
Awesome Castile - Iberia, Morocco, Algiers, most of Egypt, Mesopotamia
Compact Italy - Italy, Tunis, Tripolitania
Great Burgundy - Netherlands, NorthWest Germany down to Lorraine, some of France, including Paris (BUR's Capital)
Biggie England - England, Scotland, Ireland, Bretagne + a couple provs of France
Kingdom Of Heavens (Jerusalem) - All the Syrian-Israeli coast 3 provinces deep + Sinai + Arabia down to Mecca (<= ironic!)
Disintegrating Byzantium - Greece, Most of the Balkans, half of Anatolia (but likely to lose)
Cropped-up France - some 2/3 of the France how it should be.

All human players, all uber agressive (likely to go like BOOM out of Europe), most starting tech levels are:
L2-3
N1-2
T1
I2

Pretty harsh, isn't it?

 

[unmerged(7276)]

Ive never seen non european nations work out really. China, mughals and persia have moments of interest but genrally its better to have a minor in europe imo.

I always thought it would be interesting to have a japan latin tech though, especially with this new map.

 

[binTravkin]

I always thought it would be interesting to have a japan latin tech though, especially with this new map.

Well, that way we could give latin to many countries which would IMO take away the fun of playing out history by making it into some kind of fantasy scenario.

I just had a second look at Songhai and found 2 reasons why would they be able to do at least something meaningful:
- much of gold (also a reason why it should be non-AI, so humans don't eat it up right away)
- possibility to do some conquest/colonisation early.

 

[unmerged(18425)]

Well, that way we could give latin to many countries which would IMO take away the fun of playing out history by making it into some kind of fantasy scenario.

Well, your super European countries don't have much to do with history too

I would definately beef your Asian countries a bit up.

 

[binTravkin]

Well, your super European countries don't have much to do with history too

They at least have their own tech groups.

I would definately beef your Asian countries a bit up.

Well, I wouldn't mind if some of them recieved some surplus fortresses (Timur especially), some extra troops or spare money, but changing tech group changes the 'nature' or 'character' of a nation vastly.

After looking at the Songhai Empire I think that it could be interesting to try them MP, for the sadomazohistic fun of it, but if they're given latin group, they're not Songhai anymore but some European child state at best, which is not fun and challenging anymore.

 

[binTravkin]

I just remembered Oman is shiite = 0.5 morale and CB on all sunnis in the world - doesn't that make it's living far easier in MP?

 

[Lurken]

I just remembered Oman is shiite = 0.5 morale and CB on all sunnis in the world - doesn't that make it's living far easier in MP?

It won't be any sunnis left in the world...or very limited. I would say China, or perhaps Timurids and hope that Hungery gets preoccupied in Europe.