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I like idea of strong and unified non-aligned movement with cordial links to USA and USSR
 
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IRL only less than a third could stay neutral, the rest were either under the wings of USA or USSR. Here we're just talking about a stronger and more unified non-aligned movement with cordial links to both USA and USSR.

Basically. I was just pondering what the roadmap ahead would be for this new collection of republics. It is clearly in all of their best interests to be somewhat together for the foreseeable future. Now how that 'togetherness' would work out, that is the debate.
Would it be a new empire? That wouldn't be very stable of popular both domestically and abroad.
Would it be a federation of many different republics, each the size of a culture group etc? Well, that could work, might be a bit chaotic...
Would it be a band of nations in a mutual defence pact with close cultural, political and economic ties? Maybe.

I think it would have to be decentralised for the most part, at least for now, but with a clear favouring towards eventually former greater ties and melting pots towards nations within the union. And this union of republics would, for the most part, have a very good relationship with the US and US aligned states in Africa and western Europe, and hopefully fairly good relations with Russia because Turkey is a large controlling member of this new union and they have been bedfellows and allies in a great war and serve as a good 'neutral' block between the overtly capitalist American west and the soviet union.
And the rest of the world likes it because it keeps some very valuable but normally very chaotic and uncontrollable places calm and peaceful for the most part. This would especially be the case after people realise how much oil is in the middle east.
 
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Interesting discussion! I’ll just briefly say if it ended up being a winning confederation (as opposed to something based entirely on HOI3 game mechanics and wartime expediency) it would be mainly puppet but independent republics dominated by a NATO/Warsaw Pact type military alliance.

Given the way this ATL is going, probably a bit further on the dial towards the Soviet model. So some territory within the UGNR proper (the Federated Republic), the rest like Romania. Which, given the alternatives, may be quite happy with having been a significant part of the winning side and having had many Soviet and Turkish soldiers fight for it to fend off the Hitlerites,

The wartime bond the three countries would have formed cannot be easily discounted. Same could be said (if it can be maintained) of having protected the bulk of the Balkans and liberating the rest in due course. Of course, the ethnic centrifuge will start spinning madly as time goes by, so how long any such structures would last and how long the US and USSR stayed aligned are imponderable.

We’ll see whether the current Comintern can (as seems increasingly likely now) win this war and where the tidal marks end up. But, as @roverS3 might observe, we must shoot the bear first before taking the pelt! :D Though mentioning shooting bears around the Soviets could raise a few eyebrows! :p
 
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I like idea of strong and unified non-aligned movement with cordial links to USA and USSR
And the rest of the world likes it because it keeps some very valuable but normally very chaotic and uncontrollable places calm and peaceful for the most part.

One of the most defining mottoes of the Turkish Republic has always been "Peace at home, peace in the world" so keeping the cold war even colder and preventing most of the wars since the WWII would be what they would go for if they could. We should take the rest of the middle east though in order to prevent a good deal of the wars.
 
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One of the most defining mottoes of the Turkish Republic has always been "Peace at home, peace in the world" so keeping the cold war even colder and preventing most of the wars since the WWII would be what they would go for if they could. We should take the rest of the middle east though in order to prevent a good deal of the wars.

That might require more war, and one against our previous assistant, the British...
 
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That might require more war, and one against our previous assistant, the British...
the war to end all wars and all that :)

I hope it doesn't come to that but if the British drop the ball completely in Africa and lose middle east as well, I think when we retake those lands it will pass to us?
 
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One of the most defining mottoes of the Turkish Republic has always been "Peace at home, peace in the world" so keeping the cold war even colder and preventing most of the wars since the WWII would be what they would go for if they could. We should take the rest of the middle east though in order to prevent a good deal of the wars.

Sure, but only if we really commit to making sure that the resulting republic borders make sense in regards to the tribes and religions of the specific areas we're putting into each republic. No stupid straight lines in the Middle East and no letting the Saudis take over everything just because we can't be bothered to help out. And we should probably make sure to sort out Afghanistan too, properly.

All that being done, we should successfully avoid an Arab Spring, a string of dictatorships and some truly disgustingly awful wars in the Middle East no one in the West cares or knows about.

Um...Israel probably won't exist either...okay, we may have to give Jerusalem to the UN as a free city. Not sure who in their right mind would be nuts enough to take responsibility for that city otherwise

That might require more war, and one against our previous assistant, the British...

'Assistant' is a very strong word considering that the only good thing they've done in the entire war for us is sink the Italian Navy. I really doubt they'll hold onto the Middle East and Egypt after leavening them out to dry like that, especially after all the bad blood they left there and their complete abandonment already of Persia and their oil tycoon.

the war to end all wars and all that :)

I hope it doesn't come to that but if the British drop the ball completely in Africa and lose middle east as well, I think when we retake those lands it will pass to us?

Depends how much of a dick the AI is. The US might want all the African states to become independent countries just because the taint of colonialism is strongest there. The Middle East? They'll probably give us those for free. Which in the long run is far more valuable land but none of us in game know that yet. We should still probably try for at least Egypt, and unify the Arab world together.
 
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I don't know how well the Arab states would take to the recreation of the Ottoman empire... That said, TTL, we at least have a better grasp of the cultural pitfalls to avoid, etc.
 
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I don't know how well the Arab states would take to the recreation of the Ottoman empire... That said, TTL, we at least have a better grasp of the cultural pitfalls to avoid, etc.

Not remakin the empire. Had this discussion when we named the republic. Its a secular entity now. Freedom of religion and culture garunteed.
 
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Chapter 157: A Pledge for the Future (31 December 1941)
Chapter 157: A Pledge for the Future (31 December 1941)

This chapter will complete monthly reporting for December 1941, review production opportunities, discover the fate of Vito Corleone in Sicily, provide an overview of combatant naval losses in the Second Great War to date and provide a comprehensive review of initial US dispositions in the continental United States (CONUS).

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As the anti-Fascist leaders make plans for their first summit to discuss the war, the Comintern gets out ahead of the New Year with a joint communique. Perse pulls out all the stops for The Istanbul Times by publishing their first colour edition!

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World Situation

The world situation at the end of 1941 illustrates the stalemate in Europe, the perilous situation in the Soviet Far East, the dispersed and tenuous position of the British as the sole major Allied power and the looming presence of the US as a new belligerent. And the UGNR sits in the middle of it all, with a ‘Europe First, Middle East Second’ strategic viewpoint. The new conflict with Afghanistan is considered a mosquito bite compared to the Axis threat in Europe and (should the British fail) in Egypt.

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And a reminder of the victory conditions the Comintern must satisfy to credibly declare a ‘New World Order’, with at least twelve of these to be achieved. There is a long way to go before these can be attained.

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As usual, and despite the massive influx of Soviet EFs now under direct Romanian command, they still remain pessimistic about their chances! But Turkey and the Soviets have become used to their constant need for reassurance and still believe Romania can be held.

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The Soviets have now created a new Theatre HQ on the Patriotic Front: Moskva HQ will control the northern portion, Kyiv HQ the south. And now they are wavering between pessimistic and lukewarm in their perspective: despite the success in halting and – in the Ukraine – even reversing German gains.

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Production

The Cabinet will be considering advice to the Milli Şef on production priorities for the new year, with the recent completion of the first of the new Yak-4 bomber wings just completed. First, they compare the license equipment catalogues of their two principal pact partners.

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Then a full listing of all currently queued units and infrastructure projects is provided. Of note, another Soviet TAC wing, two interceptor and two CAS wings from the US are on order for the Air Force. For the Army, there are three mountain brigades (designed to bring the three current mountain divisions up to five brigades each during the Spring Reorganisation); another medium (T-34) and heavy (the new IS-2s) armour brigade; two SP artillery brigades; two motorised brigades; one more engineer brigade and the first new marine brigade under training. The rest of the queue is either convoys or infrastructure. No new naval units have yet been ordered.

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There are currently around 22 units of industrial capacity available for new projects. After a shortlisting of possible purchases, of the main types of units all but one (heavy tanks) of the options available was better produced by the US. Where the technical characteristics were the same (light and medium armour, for example) US doctrine (for morale and organisation) was clearly superior.

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Monthly Summaries - Asia

The Soviet situation in the Far East was somewhat worse than at the start of the month, though a little progress had been made in the western sector, north of Sinkiang.

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The Far Eastern Theatre commander provided the usual pessimistic view.

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In South East Asia, no Japanese expansion of the beachheads in Malaya or Sumatra had occurred. But the Thais had advanced in Burma and the Japanese invasion of Luzon Island in the Philippines had made substantial gains.

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In Burma, the British were relying on Bhutan and Nepal to fight the Thais – and had also withdrawn their aviation support from Rangoon.

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While in Luzon, the Japanese marines seemed to be advancing inexorably towards Clark Field and Manila.

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Espionage Report

In addition to the arrest of the British agent in Istanbul a few days before, Operation Midnight Express had issued tickets to four other enemy operatives during the month – though at least one of the Mengukuo spies was presumed to have been apprehended in Italy by Ögel’s squads. The information is too highly classified to be reported in this chronicle [ie I can’t really tell!].

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The Secret War in Italy continues to show promising signs, with the Turkish agents seemingly working towards dominance over Italy’s counter-intelligence teams. But it is too early to call 'game over' here as yet.

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And Ambassador Mike Ceylan is able to forward an account of the ‘business meeting’ between Vito Corleone and Don Ciccio, as provided to him by Cennet. Not everything went without incident, according to the account relayed afterwards … there may have been some blood spilt, on both sides. Here is how the tale was recounted:

A car drove along a country road near Palermo in Sicily, in the village of Corleone – Vito’s birthplace. It passes through a gate, to the villa of Don Ciccio.

Vito looks up from the car window to see Don Ciccio sleeping in a chair on the balcony. Vito has brought along a local ‘acquaintance’, Tommasino, who had decided to become Vito’s partner and distributor of GENCO Olive Oil in Sicily. He has agreed to help Vito with his task, where he will introduce Vito to Ciccio ostensibly for business purposes, but in reality to assassinate him. Eliminating Ciccio will allow Tommasino to move in and supplant his network.

Vito and Tommasino get out of the car and walk towards the villa, under the watchful eyes of an armed guard on the roof.

As they reach the balcony, Tommasino approaches Don Ciccio and whispers into his ear: “Don Ciccio, Don Ciccio.” Ciccio is still dozing.

“Don Ciccio, it's Tommasino.”
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“Don Ciccio, its Tommasino.”

Ciccio awakens and Tommasino draws himself up, gesturing to Vito.

“Allow me the honour of introducing someone. My partner in Napoli. His name is Vito Corleone. He'll send us olive oil from the GENCO Olive Oil Company. They're olive oil importers and distributors, Don Ciccio.”
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“Allow me the honour of introducing someone.”

Tommasino hands over a tin of the GENCO product.

“Don Ciccio,” continues Tommasino. “We'd like your blessing, and your permission to start work.”
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Don Ciccio examines a tin of Luca Brasi’s best GENCO Olive Oli. Extra virgin, first pressing, cold pressed.

After inspecting the can, Don Ciccio asks: “Why would we need to import olive oil into Sicily? And this seems to be from Turkey. We should be exporting it to them! Where is this young man from Napoli?”

Tommasino nods at Vito.

“Have him come closer. I can't see him so good,” says Ciccio.

“My respects, Don Ciccio. Give me your blessing,” says Vito deferentially. He takes Ciccio’s hand and kisses it.
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“My respects, Don Ciccio. Give me your blessing.”

“Bless you! What's your name?”

“Vito Corleone.”

“Vito Corleone. You took the name of this town! And what's your father’s name?”

“His name was - Antonio Andolini.”

“Louder, I don't hear so good.”

Vito moves in close to his ear. “My father's name was Antonio Andolini -- and this is for you!”

Vito quickly draws and plunges a knife into Don Ciccio’s torso and pulls it up to his chest.
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“This is for you!”

A guard comes running up and Tommasino shoots him with a pistol he has drawn. Another guard runs up as Vito and Tommasino run towards their car, where two of their own henchmen wait for a quick getaway. One of them fires a large shotgun to discourage Ciccio’s guards.

As they make their dash, Vito thinks of his long dead Mama, avenged at last. His father, too.
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For you too, Mama! A young Vito Andolini and his mother, at his father’s funeral.

Ciccio’s other guard fires a shotgun at Tommasino, hitting him in both legs. He crashes to the ground. Vito and one of the others lift him to the car and they drive away at high speed.
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Tommasino is down! But Vito will not leave him behind.

The result is that business will be looking up soon in Sicily. Cennet is well satisfied at Ciccio's demise - another of Vinnie's killers dead. Tommasino will likely never walk unaided again. But that will not stop him taking up his business opportunity: he has paid for it in blood – and two shot up legs won’t stop him from ‘wetting his beak’ a little!

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Naval Report

In December a range of minor vessels and flotillas was lost, mainly in the Asia-Pacific (as far as can be determined), while two larger vessels were also sunk. The Germans lost a submarine flotilla, the British two destroyer flotillas, the Soviets two submarine flotillas and Japan two destroyer flotillas and two landing craft squadrons. The two larger ships sunk that month were both Axis light cruisers, both in Asian waters.

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IJNS Kiso (木曾) was the fifth and last of five Kuma-class light cruisers. Laid down: 10 August 1918; launched 14 December 1920; commissioned 4 May 1921. Standard displacement 5,182 t; complement 450; main armament 7 × 14 cm guns. Sunk by USS Tuscaloosa (CA) December 1941.

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HTMS Sri Ayudhya (Thai: เรือหลวงศรีอยุธยา) was a coastal defence ship (LC) of the Royal Thai Navy. Laid down 1936; launched 31 July 1937; acquired 16 June 1938; commissioned 19 July 1938. Displacement 2,350 t; complement 234 main armament 4 x 2 8 in (203 mm) guns in twin turrets. Sunk by HMS Dragon (LC) December 1941.

According to the statisticians at the Turkish Admiralty, that meant the following ships had been lost to combatants in Great War Two since its beginning in September 1939.

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Special Report – Dispositions in the Continental US

Little had changed in the Central Pacific during the month. Guam, Wake and Midway Islands remained in Japanese hands but there had been no reports of major fleet actions between the US and Imperial Japanese Navies.

On the home front, BG Guildenstern was doing his best to crank out fetching propaganda material.

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How could you cheat this beaming GI out of his hard-earned cuppa Joe? Shame on you if you do. In this, the wartime B.J. Guildenstern had turned a blind eye to his pre-war habits and become a tee-totalling and hard-driving patriot! Well, if his own personal propaganda was to be believed, anyway.

The US had broken its forces up into four theatre commands, two in the east and two in the west. The Washington D.C. HQ commanded a sizeable naval force, modest troop numbers and some air support. They had no designated ‘front’ to defend and a number of their units were already stationed overseas, including in the Med.

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Chicago HQ had its main focus in the north-east – defending against Canada!

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The main HQ in the west was CONUS West. It had the rest of the battleships and aircraft carriers. And on the ground was principally focused on resisting the potential threat from Mexico!

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The smaller Seattle HQ theatre had few forces assigned and they were only army units – most of them seemed to be heading east by rail to ensure Canada did not get playful!

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Coming Up: With 1941 survived relatively intact but things getting a bit busy in the Balkans again, what will 1942 bring? Can the Comintern – especially Romania – come out of the spring thaw still in fighting shape, perhaps even for a spring-summer offensive? Or will the Axis have some nasty surprises in store? Can the British hold the Suez Canal and keep fighting in South East Asia? Will the US start exerting some effort in the Pacific and take some heat off the disastrous Soviet Far Eastern Front? What major purchases will the Turkish Government seek from their well-equipped allies? Can the Secret War in Italy be closed out and their security forces dominated? Can the Thorn continue to evade capture? Another year of tough fighting lies ahead in 1942: no-one has ever said the Path to Glory would be easy or straightforward!
 
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rabid curs ;)

Romania is indeed a Comintern puppet? Why is that line not enabled?

What major purchases will the Turkish Government seek from their well-equipped allies?
Maybe we can build some Mec brigades as well, they're expensive and thirsty but very powerful, and receives some upgrades from infantry techs which we'll keep on having. I'd preferred if we were able to R&D it locally, but leadership is scarce.

Maybe we should get Canada in Comintern as well so USA is not scared of them anymore?
 
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rabid curs ;)

Romania is indeed a Comintern puppet? Why is that line not enabled?

Maybe we can build some Mec brigades as well, they're expensive and thirsty but very powerful, and receives some upgrades from infantry techs which we'll keep on having. I'd preferred if we were able to R&D it locally, but leadership is scarce.

Maybe we should get Canada in Comintern as well so USA is not scared of them anymore?
When you look at the detailed conditions, there is one province in northern Romania you need for it to count as full control. So we'd need to win it back for Romania to count again. :) Yes, maybe some more mech. I'll pursue the cav techs at least until I can do the MOT research and upgrade option locally, but any MECH will have to come from the pact partners. Canada is already in the Allies, and once a faction is joined it can't be left (unless conquered and puppeted). I'd think of influencing Mexico if it wasn't so expensive in leadership to do it :( And they are a long way off on the 'diplomatic triangle' - up near the Allies I think. Maybe the US will do it? One can hope.
 
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When you look at the detailed conditions, there is one province in northern Romania you need for it to count as full control. So we'd need to win it back for Romania to count again. :) Yes, maybe some more mech. I'll pursue the cav techs at least until I can do the MOT research and upgrade option locally, but any MECH will have to come from the pact partners. Canada is already in the Allies, and once a faction is joined it can't be left (unless conquered and puppeted). I'd think of influencing Mexico if it wasn't so expensive in leadership to do it :( And they are a long way off on the 'diplomatic triangle' - up near the Allies I think. Maybe the US will do it? One can hope.
I had a look at the techs and it seems the most upgrades come to MEC from the infantry group. There are some marginal gains from the light tank group of techs but only the engine seems really useful. So if we could unlock MEC ourselves (which needs 2x LARM group and the ARM one time tech which amounts to 9 techs) we could've kept pace by only doing the LARM engine research later but getting there (the 9 techs I listed) is prohibitively high. Turkey doesn't start with any LARM techs, right?
 
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I had a look at the techs and it seems the most upgrades come to MEC from the infantry group. There are some marginal gains from the light tank group of techs but only the engine seems really useful. So if we could unlock MEC ourselves (which needs 2x LARM group and the ARM one time tech which amounts to 9 techs) we could've kept pace by only doing the LARM engine research later but getting there (the 9 techs I listed) is prohibitively high. Turkey doesn't start with any LARM techs, right?
Right. I’m not even in WW1 league in tanks :(
 
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Right. I’m not even in WW1 league in tanks :(
If I had the time for it, I'd write AI for the UGNR nations so that every nation focused on the research of a specific unit and nothing else, only build that unit and nothing else and lend all of them to Turkey as EF so you can puppet them and make full use of the available leadership pool. Would you be interested in such a minimod?
 
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Now read up to Chapter 80 (Cennet has completed her first mission, and the Anglo-Turkish fleet have given the Italians a thrashing).

So war, a bold step indeed. They say fortune favours such things, and given I am only about half-way through this AAR clearly Dame Fortune didn't desert you straight away.

I have to say, when reading of the battle of the Aegean, and realising that the British were about to help out, I just started laughing. I chortled my way through the entirely of that description, and then through the gnocchi debacle.

I note that the British AI is defending Egypt as ably in your game as it has done so in @Eurasia 's American AI AAR :=)
 
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Another good chapter, dear sir. Episode with Vito Corleone was like as watching a mafia film. Revenge is always vengefull but all mafia is a threat to democracy and freedom. Excellent reports about USA. I wait to see how Turkey survives till endgame.
 
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If I had the time for it, I'd write AI for the UGNR nations so that every nation focused on the research of a specific unit and nothing else, only build that unit and nothing else and lend all of them to Turkey as EF so you can puppet them and make full use of the available leadership pool. Would you be interested in such a minimod?
While that sounds a great idea, it would go against one of my self-imposed house rules of only going with what the game is giving me, including in leadership and research. While I was tempted to edit the game save file at one point to increase the LS base (which I think is unrealistically low) I was strong and resisted. :) I will take it as a player handicap to even things up. Thanks very much for the offer though. :cool:
 
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Now read up to Chapter 80 (Cennet has completed her first mission, and the Anglo-Turkish fleet have given the Italians a thrashing).

So war, a bold step indeed. They say fortune favours such things, and given I am only about half-way through this AAR clearly Dame Fortune didn't desert you straight away.

I have to say, when reading of the battle of the Aegean, and realising that the British were about to help out, I just started laughing. I chortled my way through the entirely of that description, and then through the gnocchi debacle.

I note that the British AI is defending Egypt as ably in your game as it has done so in @Eurasia 's American AI AAR :=)
Good going my friend - the gnocchi: ah, fond memories! :D And that naval battle was a classic - apart from some handy lend lease, the best thing the British AI has ever done for us! North Africa gets quite interesting, with a bit of art imitating life. ;)
 
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Another good chapter, dear sir. Episode with Vito Corleone was like as watching a mafia film. Revenge is always vengefull but all mafia is a threat to democracy and freedom. Excellent reports about USA. I wait to see how Turkey survives till endgame.
Thank you my friend. Well, given I use the movie script as the base and then riff off that, I’m glad the vibe comes across. They’re all pretty horrible of course, but it’s war and not between nice democracies. :eek: Mafia v Mafia and spy v spy!
 
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