With the fall of Berlin twice I would think the Germans would have given up by now.
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Remember, if possible, to "liberate" Austria, because it will also "liberate" all Russian held Austrian territory from them.
No reason we can't pull a Poland...
No reason we can't pull a Poland...
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See, this is another of those times when a failure of coding leaves much to be desired. Hitler would have gone down the coward much as he did OTL in Berlin in this timeline. I guarantee it. He'd have shot himself by now, and (probably) Doenitz would have taken over.
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Damn it! The British have done what we long feared they would do and performed a sneaky amphibious landing just as the germans lost all semblance of a defence.
I dearly hope they don't get enough VP to secure any part of Germany. If they do, it's ww3 right there.
The big worry is more them running all the way along the coast, liberating the low countries and France for themselves...though of course they'd also have to declare war on vichy to do it.
We may see the scenario of the low countries are allied backed, some small part of North Germany is allied backed, and half of France is too!
A disgrace.
I dearly hope they don't get enough VP to secure any part of Germany. If they do, it's ww3 right there.
The big worry is more them running all the way along the coast, liberating the low countries and France for themselves...though of course they'd also have to declare war on vichy to do it.
We may see the scenario of the low countries are allied backed, some small part of North Germany is allied backed, and half of France is too!
A disgrace.
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I'm rooting for Britain! Some part of Europe must be saved from the Turkish-Soviet oppression! Now all they need to do is make a second landing somewhere in France, allowing them to secure more territory...
It continues to amuse me that Italy is the competent Axis member (although that is relative considering their transport fixation and NAV suicide attacks), presenting a fairly solid barrier against Turkey. However, that looks like it could collapse if Gorizia is captured, so I'm a bit disappointed the AI didn't extend the line further north, especially since northeastern Italy is incredibly defensive terrain. Your double hook through both southern Germany and northern Austria/Italy appears to be working very well, so good work!
I'm also disappointed 132a 'Ariete' has withdrawn north into Germany where they'll inevitably be surrounded and destroyed, having accomplished nothing. They're a quite fascinating division in OTL, basically fighting til the last in North Africa, then being abandoned by Rommel...
I can't remember, but which part of France did you need for a victory condition? Finland looks locked up, and Spain wouldn't be too much of a bother once the Axis are done, but France could require war with Britain...
It continues to amuse me that Italy is the competent Axis member (although that is relative considering their transport fixation and NAV suicide attacks), presenting a fairly solid barrier against Turkey. However, that looks like it could collapse if Gorizia is captured, so I'm a bit disappointed the AI didn't extend the line further north, especially since northeastern Italy is incredibly defensive terrain. Your double hook through both southern Germany and northern Austria/Italy appears to be working very well, so good work!
I'm also disappointed 132a 'Ariete' has withdrawn north into Germany where they'll inevitably be surrounded and destroyed, having accomplished nothing. They're a quite fascinating division in OTL, basically fighting til the last in North Africa, then being abandoned by Rommel...
I can't remember, but which part of France did you need for a victory condition? Finland looks locked up, and Spain wouldn't be too much of a bother once the Axis are done, but France could require war with Britain...
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A quick reply: don’t need France at all, or Italy for that matter as part of the Comintern VCs. With Germany fully taken, just Finland and Spain would seal the deal. Italy is a personal ‘Path to Glory’ (vanity) goal for Turkey.
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Good point - if we get it carved out in the German surrender settlement (those can be unpredictable and a bit chaotic). We do have war goals set.
Quite possibly, though in this ATL Berlin was the first German VP city to fall so surrendering and topping himself when the rest of Germany was still unoccupied might have been a little precipitate. Not the great last stand he may have had in mind. But when Düsseldorf falls … we’ll see what the game does.
In universe yes, but I rather admire the UK AI actually doing it. And for theoretical after-game geopolitics from the Soviet perspective, the British landings and race for the Low Countries and France is an unwelcome and cheeky outrage. Rather like what the Soviets did re Japan in OTL 1945!
But from Turkey’s perspective? Interesting question: could be an argument that some Allied presence in the West to balance Soviet hegemony might not be that bad a thing? The closer the UGNR is to being an equal third leg (it won’t, but it’s an ideal to strive towards) of a new world order, the better. A bit of a conundrum.
In a way I am too - to the extent that I always welcome good AI decisions, given how rare they can be.
And in game, as long as it doesn’t prevent us getting our 12 VCs, then I’m not too fussed.Yes, other than this recent over-doing of the NAV effort (the strikes on Split were entirely appropriate and well-timed, just AI executing poorly with not enough escorts and not pulling them out once they took heavy damage). Not sure how much they have further west from the Gorizia anchor point, but they do look exposed: probably too many units still up in Germany.
Of course I’m happy they went that way, and you have already seen the start of Turkish efforts to seal off the potential retreat of Italian units via southern Germany. Not sure what will happen with France when Germany falls and whether they’ll have an escape route there - the long way round. Either way, it shouldn’t worry us too much.
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Again, they ran away before we can properly fight them! About the travel time, well cut my boys some slack chief we’re crossing the Alps you know
)Great news, but this part isn’t very happy. We could’ve used that leadership even if temporarily.
They all run away
I like to surprise! And we’ll make it to the next stop swiftly as well because I’d like to eat some special raw Venice shrimps soon!
VUR HA!!!!
armor thiccAs always, already cannot wait for the next episode!
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It seems paradoxical to have zero tolerance for swastikas regardless of intent but develop a game where at least 20% of plays will have a goal of a Nazi German victory. The fifteen victory conditions could be replaced with ONE. At peace with all nations after the date 1 January 1943. Winning in this game with Italy and Japan still standing just seems off. (I am not suggesting playing until Japan is defeated, but declaring on Finland and Spain just seems wrong. It makes me wonder whether there are more Albanians in Albania or in Siberian educational facilities.)
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I guess so, but that's just how the game is. Really, you can set any victory objectives for yourself that you like. In the case of HOI3, for some reason they've decided that the Comintern would want to take Spain, and Finland I can understand easily enough. But you can change all of those (modding or just ignoring) as you like.
The game does prompt the Soviets to take down Japan in the VCs, but of course it isn't mandatory. In this particular ATL, Italy is a definite target, so it's notionally but effectively included as a Turkish VC: that is, I'd keep going until Italy was beaten even if (somehow) Spain and Finland were both taken by the Soviets first. But Japan? Not Turkey's war, so I personally wouldn't bother with them, though notionally, perhaps even in an AI-run post-game epilogue, the Soviets no doubt would.
As for the Swastika thing, my belief is that it relates to German law where the game would be marketed, but am not sure about that. And Wehraboos should not be given any more encouragement than they already have in the game!
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Turkey/Japan should be like OTL Russia/Japan where war was only declared in closing days for Sakhalin Island. Turkey can take the Aegeans from the Japanese partisans. Paradox is at its best when it is building a sandbox rather than recreating history. My biggest EU problem is the trade system where all trade flows one way to Europe regardless. HoI could encourage a play style that avoids war by toppling Hitler, FDR, Stalin or Tojo. The AI seems to have a problem with tactical battles in most strategy whether Paradox, Civ or Humankind.
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Yeah, leap year ignored, so there was no discontinuity after all.
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3 Mtn Div certainly had a lot to do by the end of chapter - which continues into the next. Be ready for some tough action!Again, they ran away before we can properly fight them! About the travel time, well cut my boys some slack chief we’re crossing the Alps you know
Great news, but this part isn’t very happy. We could’ve used that leadership even if temporarily.
They all run away
I like to surprise! And we’ll make it to the next stop swiftly as well because I’d like to eat some special raw Venice shrimps soon!
VUR HA!!!!
As always, already cannot wait for the next episode!
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I am finally caught up. HoI should have an earlier start date to allow you to try to avoid WW2 because alt-history. A 1930 start date right after stock market crash would have opened many different avenues of play. But one problem would be economic would be much bigger focus and Paradox has problems with a dynamic economics. Thank you for giving us this wonderful work.
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It would mean they'd have to try and simulate the german state circa 1930, which I think is beyond anyone.
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paradox attempting to model hyperinflation in hoi3:
Ok, so make it so that the value of each nations gold can increase and decrease , allowinng the simulation of inflation.
Paradox devs:
Leave us alone we have to design the economy for Victoria 2!
Ok, so make it so that the value of each nations gold can increase and decrease , allowinng the simulation of inflation.
Paradox devs:
Leave us alone we have to design the economy for Victoria 2!
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It would be cool because it would open up a lot more options in China and allow some minor powers to be more built-up than OTL, allowing them to influence WWII more. Unfortunately, I don't think Germany could be handled. A start in 1933 would be easier because the Nazis are in power, but there's still 3 more years to change history.
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You can change the end date and starting date. But while it gives you more time that's about it. Many events are triggered by dates so you would have three years of not much happening.
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