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Chapter CLXII: Digging the Same Holes.
Chapter CLXII: Digging the Same Holes

The 1930s was one of the golden era of global cartels, the trade in commodities and products as varied as tea, steel and light bulbs were controlled by international agreements of varying degrees of integrity and legality. All else being equal a commodity as strategic as coal should have developed at least an informal producers deal if not a full blown international control council, yet this singularly failed to happen. This was not due to a lack of will, the two largest exporters (Britain and Germany) were keen on a deal in order to stabilise market share and increase export earnings respectively, while even importing nations were cautiously in favour. The example of Scandinavia explains this well, traditionally a majority British market it had been heavily contested first by the Polish and then German exporters, both of whom engaged in 'dumping', the practice of selling a product at below production costs just to make a sale. Multiple parties competing for a market normally benefits the consumer/importer and certainly it kept prices low, however no market stands alone and this is particularly true in the complex world of 'managed' trade. The British reaction was therefore not to also sell at a loss, but to threaten all involved with trade retaliation elsewhere. In the case of the Polish attempt to claim coal market share in Sweden the British Board of Trade reminded Sweden that such a change would disrupt the Anglo-Swedish balance of trade, the clear implication being that Britain would impose higher tariffs and lower quotas on Swedish exports to restore the balance. Pressure was also applied on the Polish side, a great deal of Poland's seaborne export trade depended on British shipping and even a portion of the over-land relied on British trade financing. The matter was eventually resolved with a Polish-British coal agreement restricting Polish exports outside of their 'local' markets in Central Europe but at a more sustainable price, however had any party dug their heels in things could easily of escalated. Given the regularity with which such flares up occurred it should be clear why even the importer nations could prefer dealing with a stable cartel to regularly teetering on the edge of a trade war over a few pence a tonne on the price of coal.

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The impressive coal tipper loading bridge in the coal port of Born in the south Netherlands, the tipper was designed to transfer up to 800,000 tons a year of coal from railway wagons onto the coal barges of the Juliana Canal. Prior to the Great War the Netherlands had limited domestic coal production and so was a major importer, but by the late 1930s the mines of South Limburg were a significant exporter even if the country as a whole was still a net coal importer. The Juliana Canal itself was part of this effort, bypassing an unnavigable section of the Maas River it connected the new coal mines to the rest of the county's waterways, the Rhine and eventually the North Sea. This connection was important due to the economics of bulk logistics of the period; coal was incredibly cheap to ship by water, tolerably costly by rail and uneconomic for anything but local distribution by road. These logistical points were a notable factor in the various coal related discussions, much of the final 'price' of coal was transportations costs, though in many cases the imperatives of strategy and politics would trump economic concerns.


As the two largest exporters Britain and Germany had taken the lead in the cartel formation talks which begun in the aftermath of the Depression, however they soon stalled due to German complaints that British industry lacked 'group responsibility' and was not organised enough. The German coal industry had long been organised into a series of syndicates and for export purposes it was RWKS (Rheinisch-Westfälisches Kohlen-Syndikat, the Rhenish-Westphalian Coal Syndicate) that took the lead. The RWKS wanted to deal with a body that was their British equivalent, one that not only had the authority to do a deal but the power to follow through on it by managing national quotas and, if necessary, enforcing penalties. This requirement throws an interesting perspective on the UK government policy around coal in the early 1930s, the centralisation and forming of sales syndicates had very neatly re-organised the industry in a very international cartel compatible way. These re-organisation efforts took some time so the first round of detailed Anglo-German negotiations only started in late 1935, at which point they were comprehensively derailed by the outbreak of the Abyssinian War, then the Spanish Civil War and finally the Rhineland Crisis. These events were so disruptive because they undermined one of the fundamental assumptions of the cartel, that those involved had the market power to divide up regions, agree quotas and then impose them on everyone else. Prior to the Abyssinian War Britain had been exporting over 5 million tons a year of coal to Italy making it the second largest market after France. That trade had obviously stopped with the outbreak of war and under orders from Mussolini it had not resumed after the peace treaty. The Spanish Civil War not only disrupted a million ton a year market but also made any shipping through the Western Mediterranean far more complex, while the Rhineland Crisis had caused many in France and Germany to seriously re-consider the strategic risks around the cross-border Lorraine-Rhine iron-steel complex. Aside from the technical matters of penalties and adjustment mechanisms much of the cartel talks had been focused on quotas and market share, with various previous years figures being proposed as the base, the exact year normally being the one that most favoured the interests of the proposer. These arguments became irrelevant in light of the new realities, it did not matter what share of the Italian market the cartel decided to allocate to UK exporters as the practical figure would be zero. While the talks continued there was little enthusiasm for them, a limited bilateral coal deal was considered the most likely outcome and even that would have to operate within the limits set by the Standstill Agreement that controlled Anglo-German trade.

The dramatic 'revaluation' by the Gold Bloc was the catalyst that revitalised the talks, when France and Belgium effectively devalued not only did their own exports become more competitive but the francs that they paid for coal in were worth less. How much of a concern this was depend on how you valued your exports, the British concern was primarily domestic employment, so a million tons of coal could be seen as representing around 3,000 mining jobs and around 12,000 indirect jobs in the supply chain and mining towns. From this perspective as long as the export tonnage held up the reduced earnings were an annoyance but nothing more, certainly not compared to the wider economy. Another way of looking at a million tons of coal was as 1,0000 million Francs, around £13.5 million, of foreign currency that your country could earn, of course a large portion would be taken by the shippers, handling, insurance and so on, but around half would make it's way back to the exporter. Of course those were the pre-devaluation figure, after the St Leger Day massacre things changed quite dramatically. If the exporter was unlucky they had a contract fixed in Francs, in which case those 1,000 million Francs were only worth £8 million in hard currency, alternatively if the contract was tied to the 'market price' it was the importer who suddenly had to find an extra 500 francs a ton to make up the difference and many could not. Either way the exporting nation was no longer getting the same amount of hard currency it needed to pay for it's imports, which threatened yet another round of market share wars if they attempted to make up for the lower price by exporting a greater volume. Keen to avoid this outcome both sides re-engaged with the cartel negotiations with a new intensity.

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The SS St Rosario of the South American Saints Line, newly launched in 1937 she was not quite as old fashioned as the SS (Steam Ship) designation would suggest; she was equipped with the White Compound Engine, in which the exhaust from the conventional four cylinder steam engine was used to power a low pressure steam turbine, a layout that dramatically increased fuel efficiency. The St Rosario worked the South Wales to South America route, carrying Welsh coal on the outward leg and bringing back grain from Brazil and the River Plate. While the devaluation of the dollar meant US coal was more competitive on price, the American government's inflexible attitude on trade deals would keep them excluded from the market and allow the British lines and traders to consolidate their position. It was not all bad for US coal exporters, with British merchants forced out of Ireland by the Coal-Cattle War American interests had been quick to seize the opportunity and a US East Coast to Ireland coal route was soon well established.

Any international cartel has to deal with politics and diplomacy, however the re-started Anglo-German cartel talks soon established that any agreement would essentially be entirely political. To the reluctance of the Foreign Office, and the delight of the German Foreign Ministry, the talks were escalated up to government level and expanded to include all the major exporters and importers. The case of Italy provides a good example of the contortions politics was forcing on the coal market, as mentioned Britain had been banned and Mussolini was unwilling to become further dependent on Germany due to ongoing tensions in Austria and the Balkans. The ongoing Spanish Civil War made transiting the Straits of Gibraltar challenging, maritime insurers were imposing 'war zone' premiums on all shipping and some were just refusing to offer coverage. These constraints resulted in the Italian market being assigned to Poland and the Netherlands, initially via France but eventually on regular convoys through the Straits under escort. Aside from the direct links a side effect of the arrangement was the forging of links between the French associated Little Entente and Italy, Italian exports and barter deals that had been used to earn Sterling to pay for Coal were diverted to France and Poland. An interesting sub-agreement meant Poland could rapidly recycle a portion of their Italian earnings into Francs, on the provision they were used to buy iron ore from French North Africa, a vital concession as Poland had typically used the hard currency from coal sales to fund iron ore purchases from Sweden. After the Franco-Italian agreement over Austria at the Amsterdam Conference this further strengthening of ties met the strategic objectives of both governments. Indeed relations improved to the point Rome began lobbying to be allowed back into the new Gold Bloc on the same terms as France, with the keen support of Paris.

Staying with the Italian agreement the Netherlands allocation would also have wider consequences. Included because Polish exports alone were insufficient and they were the only 'acceptable' nation who's exports could be re-routed, The Hague had agreed due to a combination of Italy paying a better price and pressure from everyone else. As noted previously the Netherlands were in the slightly strange looking position of exporting 6 million tons of coal a year, while at the same time importing 7.5 million tons of coal back in. The explanation was that in general it was high grade metallurgical coal (i.e. suitable for making coke and then steel) that was exported and lower grade thermal coal (i.e. fit for burning to make steam and electricity) that was imported, the cost difference between the two grades was such that this was a worthwhile endeavour. The coking coal sent to Italy had previously gone down the Rhine to Germany, often passing German mined thermal coal on it's way to the Netherlands, the diversion unbalanced this trade logistically but more importantly financially. The German solution was somewhat dramatic, they cancelled the thermal coal exports not out of pique but to manage their own domestic coal shortages. That a coal powerhouse such as Germany was experience shortages was a testimony to too things; the desperate government push to export to earn foreign exchange and the voracious appetite for coal of the German synthetic fuel industry; by late 1937 the various coal-to-oil plants were using 6.5 million tons a year and that was predicted to at least quadruple in the following few years as more capacity came online. Cutting exports to Holland 'balanced' the lost Dutch coking coal, at the cost of problems elsewhere we shall look at later, but in the immediate term left both Germany and the Netherlands short on coal. These 'new' quotas were allocated to the UK, in tonnage terms at least replacing the lost Italian markets but again forcing a re-orientation of trade links, in this case British trade was diverted away from Italy and towards it's two new partners who now had a need to earn extra Sterling.

The final system was something of a mixed bag as far as the British government was concerned. In terms of it's notional purpose it was a tentative success, UK mines had come out with generous quotas and many were looking forward to dealing with the perceived to be fair and reliable Dutch rather than fighting to get payment out of Mussolini's Italy. The success was qualified because the system was complex and political, while it had broad support (or grudging acceptance) any shift in the diplomatic balance of power could cause it to collapse again. On the diplomatic front the Foreign Office was trying to be hopeful about the vague fluttering of Anglo-French co-operation around Spain, the Royal Navy and Marine Nationale were to jointly patrol the seas around the Straits to reassure neutrals that the route was safe for vessels just passing through as opposed to trying to deliver. The lingering Francophile faction hoped to use the necessary regular co-ordination meetings to improve communications with their opposite numbers and demonstrate to a doubtful government and nation the value of a strong relationship with France. In reality however France was increasingly looking towards Rome and not across the Channel, while London had once again been semi-unwillingly pushed into a deeper commercial relationship with Berlin, the delight of the German Foreign Ministry at this turn of events being inversely proportional to the disquiet in the Foreign Office. The only truly bright spot was the prospect of stronger trade links with the Netherlands was the, a potential source of leverage to try and get The Hague out of the Gold Bloc and into the Sterling Area and perhaps even a Far Eastern alliance. Overall however it must be said the main government reaction was one of relief along with a hope they would not be forced into discussing the coal trade for quite some time, and by this measure at least the system delivered.

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Shorter than expected while still containing actual plot, diplomatic plot no less.

There was a coal cartel in the late 1930s, Anglo-German talks did start 1935 but never got disrupted and agreements were reached to carve up the market which somewhat got enforced. Poland was a wild card, they were less fussed about profit and more about getting some hard currency, an interesting approach to exports we shall be looking at later. German coal shortages were a thing, OTL Germany juggled domestic shortage and being an unreliable supplier from 1937 onwards depending on who was shouting louder, the coal-to-oil plants ate a huge amount of coal which only got worse.

Dutch and indeed the Germans did import and export coal at the same time, partly due to grade and partly transport costs. OTL UK coal was imported into Hamburg and the 'north German markets', about 3.5/4 million ton a year by the late 1930s, in that case because there was no cheap way to get German coal to that part of the country as it wasn't connected by canal/river to the Ruhr.

Ireland never imported US coal, here they are and it's a dodgy credit based trade as Ireland can only really export things the US doesn't want or need. But American-Irish feeling and optimism are bridging the gap for now.

I spent too much time looking at the Saints Line and their funky engines, very clever way to make coal more efficient but ultimately not as good as a diesel MV. Interesting though. Theologically I'm not sure St Rosario works, but it was the name they picked.
 
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That certainly is one hell of a coal tipper! Good to see the Americans are unable to steal British trade in this timeline. It's just a temporary solution of course, I can't wait for the year 2224 when you do your final update on the post war liberation of the 13 colonies and use an as yet uninvented technology to beam it into our heads.
 
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This chapter seems to encapsulate the foolishness of war. Having said that,

Adolf, invade Poland, for Thor's sake!
 
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and even a portion of the over-land relied on British trade financing.

Really? How so?

As the two largest exporters

Amazing that even after over a century of industrialised mining, the UK was still a massive exporter. Exactly how long can a country's reserves last, and was the UK just unusually flush with coal?

however they soon stalled due to German complaints that British industry lacked 'group responsibility' and was not organised enough.

What a German thing to say. Was that you or them?

while the Rhineland Crisis had caused many in France and Germany to seriously re-consider the strategic risks around the cross-border Lorraine-Rhine iron-steel complex.

Sure but where's France and Germany's supply going to come from if not from a few miles down the road? Surely this is a massive hit to both sides of the border industries...though given what's probably coming, both need to find someone else to support their needs (unless one or the other overruns the region very quickly).

1,0000 million Francs, around £13.5 million,

Never quite understood why the franc was so low in value compared to other currencies. Especially as it was backed by gold. What was the thinking behind it, and how did it react with a big strong pound (and increasingly large amounts of dollars too)?

a testimony to too things;

Truly to too twos.

fair and reliable Dutch

Nobody has ever said that before.
 
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All this talk of coal and such like. makes me ponder at the butterfly effects in this AAR, (is this even based on game anymore?), and somehow, someway, Pip manages to make the AAR go from World War 2, to instead be about economic war, with painful detail on how Goering, Heisenberg, and Speer, fund the first nuclear power plant with cooperation with Norwegians. and how this is such a massive disaster for British coal industry. and causes no end of trouble for the upcoming elections.

this is all to be no doubt writen by El Pip the 6th in the year 2102.
 
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An update with plot (if by plot we mean insterstate relations) moving forward and with no need for google trips!

I quite like this shuffling of alliances (sort of). Of course I think there's no chance of that turning into war allies (perhapas Italy and France do?), but even this economic shifting is interesting.

And I'm always fascinated by the need to get foreign money to buy foreign stuff.
 
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Stonehenge tunnel. What do?
Build it, obviously. But have it hand excavated by all the complaining lawyers and judges involved in the endless judicial reviews, pour encourages les autres.
I'm currently re-reading from start. Pip just promised (I think in 2009.) that there's a plan for a Dominion of Palestine, and all will be revealed in due time.

Given that such development is probably ASB before 1950's at best, I wonder how many decades (centuries?) will pass before we get Dominion of Palestine update?
Spookily the very next update will be looking at that region. Or it will be the 1937 Earls Court Motor Show and then a Middle East adjacent update.
Perhaps those notes were lost? We have a Great Britain that is in much better shape for whatever is coming down the pipe than OTL, so decolonizing might be further away. Perhaps it's for Pip the Younger (of the two).
Many things are being left for Pip the Even Younger.
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Impressively this worked, unlike TBC's efforts. Though this is unsurprising as a threat from the police is obviously more impressive than one from a lawyer. ;)
That certainly is one hell of a coal tipper!
It is an absolute beast! I do love a bit of coal infrastructure because the scale is always impressive.
Good to see the Americans are unable to steal British trade in this timeline. It's just a temporary solution of course, I can't wait for the year 2224 when you do your final update on the post war liberation of the 13 colonies and use an as yet uninvented technology to beam it into our heads.
An excellent plan. Not the plan for Butterfly I must admit, but excellent nevertheless.
This chapter seems to encapsulate the foolishness of war. Having said that,

Adolf, invade Poland, for Thor's sake!
This is not an AAR where anyone acts hastily, not in real time terms anyway.
Really? How so?
British merchant banks financed/guaranteed a surprising amount of trade in the region, in part because none of the nations involved had a banking sector that was capable.

A relevant fact is that Poland had incredible hyperinflation in the 1920s, it doesn't get discussed much because the German experience was so much worse. But it was 40Zloty to the £ in 1918 and 46.25 million Zloty to the £ by 1924. That leaves a scar on banks and financial capacity in general.

There was also more direct stuff, the Anglo-Polish bank financed the Polish sugar crop, providing a few £million in credit to the farmers and getting repaid when they harvested.
Amazing that even after over a century of industrialised mining, the UK was still a massive exporter. Exactly how long can a country's reserves last, and was the UK just unusually flush with coal?
Not particularly. There are claims that the UK having decent quality coal close to iron near the surface was a bit unusual, but that is mostly cope from people upset the Industrial Revolution happened in Britain.

There is still around 200 billion tonnes of coal in the ground in the UK and at least 160 billion tonnes in Germany, it's just not worth digging up.
What a German thing to say. Was that you or them?
Absolutely them. Pretty much word for word quotes from the OTL talks.
Sure but where's France and Germany's supply going to come from if not from a few miles down the road? Surely this is a massive hit to both sides of the border industries...though given what's probably coming, both need to find someone else to support their needs (unless one or the other overruns the region very quickly).
You probably could reshuffle everything and untangle things, but it would be expensive and take a while. Nobody on either side is proposing that, at the moment it's just a "don't make things worse" plan. Identify other suppliers, put in infrastructure so you can connect it, that sort of thing.
Never quite understood why the franc was so low in value compared to other currencies. Especially as it was backed by gold. What was the thinking behind it, and how did it react with a big strong pound (and increasingly large amounts of dollars too)?
The Franc was on a fairly constant slide from the end of WW1 until the Poincar Devaluation in 1926/8. The cost of reconstruction, the terrible trade balance, the rising public debt, lots of things came together to drag the Franc down. Post Poincar it was fixed to the Gold standard, which in part is why Poincar took a few years to stabilise things (buying up the gold). But after that it was fairly stable, at least until France was forced off gold in the mid 1930s.

I suppose they could have done an Italy and issued a new France with less digits, but in general as long as the rate is stable it makes no difference if the ratio is 100:1 or 1:1.
Nobody has ever said that before.
It is a relative thing.
Coal exports have a lot of dog chasing his tail to keep everyone happy. Thank you for the update
Managed trades does require a lot more work and meetings compared to just leaving things to the market.
All this talk of coal and such like. makes me ponder at the butterfly effects in this AAR, (is this even based on game anymore?),
At some point in the next few years I will open the game and see what happens in the Spanish Civil War, actual war fighty stuff is based on what comes out of the game. The rest, not so much.
and somehow, someway, Pip manages to make the AAR go from World War 2, to instead be about economic war, with painful detail on how Goering, Heisenberg, and Speer, fund the first nuclear power plant with cooperation with Norwegians. and how this is such a massive disaster for British coal industry. and causes no end of trouble for the upcoming elections.

this is all to be no doubt writen by El Pip the 6th in the year 2102.
I have admitted before there is a demon on my shoulder occasionally suggesting I go that route and it is a "What if there was no WW2 or WW2 analogue" type story.

But I intend to deny that temptation because it seems too cruel, there will at some point be a major conflict. And the SCW, border wars in the Far East and map wars in South America do not count.
An update with plot (if by plot we mean insterstate relations) moving forward and with no need for google trips!
If changes in inter-state relations don't count as plot then very few works on this board have a plot.
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I quite like this shuffling of alliances (sort of). Of course I think there's no chance of that turning into war allies (perhapas Italy and France do?), but even this economic shifting is interesting.
I think so, though I will be quite on the alliances to maintain the surprise.
And I'm always fascinated by the need to get foreign money to buy foreign stuff.
It is an under-discussed driver of international problems.
 
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Build it, obviously. But have it hand excavated by all the complaining lawyers and judges involved in the endless judicial reviews, pour encourages les autres.

Complaining clients. If there were no clients, there would not be lawyers involved.

I'm impressed both sides are being stubborn about this. Usually these things are concluded one way or another by now. Covid froze it for a few years I suppose.

Spookily the very next update will be looking at that region.
Or it will be the 1937 Earls Court Motor Show and then a Middle East adjacent update.

Now there's a builders promise.

Impressively this worked, unlike TBC's efforts. Though this is unsurprising as a threat from the police is obviously more impressive than one from a lawyer. ;)

The police have a lot more leeway with threats than lawyers do.

There is still around 200 billion tonnes of coal in the ground in the UK and at least 160 billion tonnes in Germany, it's just not worth digging up.

How much did we manage to dig up, in comparison?
 
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Impressively this worked, unlike TBC's efforts. Though this is unsurprising as a threat from the police is obviously more impressive than one from a lawyer. ;)
The police have a lot more leeway with threats than lawyers do.
Hey now, I've found that attorneys may not have the more immediate value of threats that a LEO has but I'm far more concerned with a lawyer saying do something than a cop...
 
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Hey now, I've found that attorneys may not have the more immediate value of threats that a LEO has but I'm far more concerned with a lawyer saying do something than a cop...

When we say do something it's not a threat. It's an undertaking.

Whereas the police can say all sorts of things to essentially anyone.
 
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I have admitted before there is a demon on my shoulder occasionally suggesting I go that route and it is a "What if there was no WW2 or WW2 analogue" type story.

But I intend to deny that temptation because it seems too cruel

Do you think we will get to the war before we hit the 20 year mark in two years time? I might do another full read though to celebrate the anniversary regardless.
 
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Do you think we will get to the war before we hit the 20 year mark in two years time? I might do another full read though to celebrate the anniversary regardless.

I'll do another recap review of everything. Maybe even very, very briefly show what happens if you do ehats happened so far in HOI4 and then hit play.

Probably something silly.
 
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That certainly is one hell of a coal tipper! Good to see the Americans are unable to steal British trade in this timeline. It's just a temporary solution of course, I can't wait for the year 2224 when you do your final update on the post war liberation of the 13 colonies and use an as yet uninvented technology to beam it into our heads.

*Me as an 100-year-old procrastinator in 2086*
"I can't die yet. I need to catch up on El Pip's Butterfly AAR. He's in 1940 after all."

*Me as an 38-year-old procrastinator in 2024*
I have read your last several updates, El Pip. They were all very interesting. I learned things about railways, airplane engines, overloaded launches, bomber design, torpedo bombers, the British coal industry (when you said "A detour to dark places", you weren't kidding), and exports. Stellar writing as always. :cool:

By the way, El Pip, I came across a typo in one of your responses that I thought was funny.

Egyptian army did very little, much as OTL. I'd imagine there was something similar to the Libyan Arab Force, but also that it had probably barley got trained and organized before the war ended. Took 4 months just to get troops through basic training and ready to start training at a regiment level, and that's with a wartime training establishment built up and starting with a cadre of troops. I figure those troops probably transferred across to the post-war Libyan government.

"Barley got trained"... XD
"Sir, how would you like your barley?" "Trained, please. Untrained barley doesn't sit well with me." "Trained barley. Excellent choice, sir."

Now it's time for Good Idea Bad Idea: Tank Edition.
Good Idea: Writing a poem about tanks.
Bad Idea: Putting Michael Dukakis in a tank.
 
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Complaining clients. If there were no clients, there would not be lawyers involved.
So you are saying we should force the clients and the lawyers to dig the tunnel by hand? Seems like an excellent plan
I'm impressed both sides are being stubborn about this. Usually these things are concluded one way or another by now. Covid froze it for a few years I suppose.
Nah, this is par for the course in Judicial Review. There is absolutely no reason for the complainers to do anything other than take every appeal and drag things out, thanks to the utter disaster of the Aarhus Convention they have a special costs regime and are protected from any consequence beyond a tiny token fine. And the courts persistently refuse to ever acknowledge there is a downside to all this, the huge cost to society partly in paperwork but mostly in nothing ever getting built. The lawyers I get, because they are mercenary sociopaths, but we are regularly told judges are better than that. I know they can do it, on procurement cases they will consider the impact of a contract not being awarded when looking at injunctions, but somehow they are too stupid to realise that applies to building things as well.

Now there's a builders promise.
Far more reliable than a legal one.
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How much did we manage to dig up, in comparison?
Figures I've seen only start in the 1850s, but from then to now about 25 billion tons.
Hey now, I've found that attorneys may not have the more immediate value of threats that a LEO has but I'm far more concerned with a lawyer saying do something than a cop...
When we say do something it's not a threat. It's an undertaking.
Lawyers are only a threat if there is any prospect of them making money out of it. Deny them that and they are harmless.
Do you think we will get to the war before we hit the 20 year mark in two years time? I might do another full read though to celebrate the anniversary regardless.
We might, might, get to a war before that point.

That said the update I have planned for the 20 year mark will probably not involve war at all, which I feel is appropriate.
I'll do another recap review of everything. Maybe even very, very briefly show what happens if you do ehats happened so far in HOI4 and then hit play.

Probably something silly.
In fairness something silly is the default state of any HOI4 game these days.
*Me as an 100-year-old procrastinator in 2086*
"I can't die yet. I need to catch up on El Pip's Butterfly AAR. He's in 1940 after all."
That is unfair, on the current rate of progress we should be in 1943 by the time we get to 2086. ;)
*Me as an 38-year-old procrastinator in 2024*
I have read your last several updates, El Pip. They were all very interesting. I learned things about railways, airplane engines, overloaded launches, bomber design, torpedo bombers, the British coal industry (when you said "A detour to dark places", you weren't kidding), and exports. Stellar writing as always. :cool:
Far too kind, it pleases my very soul that people still find this interesting and worth reading after all these years.
By the way, El Pip, I came across a typo in one of your responses that I thought was funny.

"Barley got trained"... XD
"Sir, how would you like your barley?" "Trained, please. Untrained barley doesn't sit well with me." "Trained barley. Excellent choice, sir."
:D
Excellent work!
 
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As I continue to debate cars vs oranges for the next chapter I've been distracted by an appalling outbreak of socially realistic gibberish. It has a car crash quality that means I cannot look away from it. Behold but a mere fraction of it;

Name Hidden to protect the guilty said:
The contribution thus provides an utilisation of the perspectives of Science and Technology Studies to media historiography. With this praxeological perspective on information processing, it becomes clear how the systematic, material, but also architectural infrastructure of signal and data paths was a necessary condition for the problem of producing the Air Situation Picture, which had to be solved co-operatively. The analysis of chains of co-operations shows that sequentiality, which is associated with the decomposition of the complex task of producing and visualising Air Situation Pictures, was bound to different actors
Praxeological perspectives! Sequentiality! The general piling up of pretentious buzzwords to express very simple ideas. Truly this is a word salad worth of Janko Jesensky.
 
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I'd say this is something I'd write as a joke, but it would be for dialogue in a script, not in a book or whatever.
 
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As I continue to debate cars vs oranges for the next chapter I've been distracted by an appalling outbreak of socially realistic gibberish. It has a car crash quality that means I cannot look away from it. Behold but a mere fraction of it;


Praxeological perspectives! Sequentiality! The general piling up of pretentious buzzwords to express very simple ideas. Truly this is a word salad worth of Janko Jesensky.

You could split the difference and do one on orange cars maybe?
 
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You could split the difference and do one on orange cars maybe?
This is an excellent suggestion, though the truly Pippian Butterfly option would be to make the next chapter about something else entirely....
 
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