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I'm continuing the process of re-reading. I'm currently in 2010 in real time, so naturally only a few months of Butterfly effect timeline time passed since then. :p

Some observations.

I can't remember if we ever got the number of Swiftsures ordered? It was supposed to be in a future budget update, I hope that's one of not-yet re-read ones.

Young me found US politics and legislative updates boring - silly me! Current lawman me finds them very interesting.

Young me also had many stupid questions.

I had more observations, but sadly forgot them. Perhaps I'll check the list of updates to jolt my memory.
 
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I'm continuing the process of re-reading. I'm currently in 2010 in real time, so naturally only a few months of Butterfly effect timeline time passed since then. :p

Some observations.

I can't remember if we ever got the number of Swiftsures ordered? It was supposed to be in a future budget update, I hope that's one of not-yet re-read ones.

Young me found US politics and legislative updates boring - silly me! Current lawman me finds them very interesting.

Young me also had many stupid questions.

I had more observations, but sadly forgot them. Perhaps I'll check the list of updates to jolt my memory.

Actually it peeters out in 2011 so you haven't got long left.
 
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A new page, how convenient.
British cinema of the period!
Surprisingly that is (sort of) on the list already.
I'm continuing the process of re-reading. I'm currently in 2010 in real time, so naturally only a few months of Butterfly effect timeline time passed since then. :p
As is right and proper.
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Some observations.

I can't remember if we ever got the number of Swiftsures ordered? It was supposed to be in a future budget update, I hope that's one of not-yet re-read ones.
No I don't think the number has been revealed. It will be in the next navy update as the building for 1938-39 Estimates is discussed.
Young me found US politics and legislative updates boring - silly me! Current lawman me finds them very interesting.

Young me also had many stupid questions.
I don't recall any particularly stupid questions so you are probably being too harsh. Young Pip wrote some things that Current Pip would not have done, but I'm sure Future Pip will feel the same way so these days I try to be more considerate of my past writing.
I had more observations, but sadly forgot them. Perhaps I'll check the list of updates to jolt my memory.
Feel free to observe as you go, we do have a page to fill. ;)
Actually it peeters out in 2011 so you haven't got long left.
Yes late 2011 is the start of the 18months between updates period. I had a fairly busy 2012, I was on site on Crossrail working weird shifts and taking quite a few holidays in between to recover, obviously left little time for writing. The later large gaps are all the fault of the Pipettes.
 
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It starts to uptick again after 2015. Coincidentally, this is where I join the forums. Which, come to think, means my 1st post here as about to turn 10 years old...
 
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I'm not saying things have got derailed, but I may have been looking at the influence of Beryllium on Great Power competition in Central Asia. Surprisingly there was some.

It starts to uptick again after 2015.
The late 2010s are possibly one of the Golden Eras of this work. Safely past Young Pip but still relatively regular chapters, for a relaxed definition of regular.
Coincidentally, this is where I join the forums. Which, come to think, means my 1st post here as about to turn 10 years old...
whippersnapper!
I endorse the whippersnapper comment.
Thats said, it is a scary realisation that my account here is old enough to vote or drink in civilised countries.
It is a bit.

It's also a tad disconcerting looking at the number of commenters who's entire existence from created to last seen is considerably shorter.
 
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And I have now finished the last few chapters of what is now basically the akternate history version of Encyclopedia Britannica and am fully caught up.

One great thing about this AAR is that it's hiatus-friendly. Anotger great thing about it is that I'm certain if I linked it in my curriculum vitae as source for an online degree on economics, another on engineering and a masters in international relations (really fascinating stuff the chapter about the international coal cartels, never thought I'd write such a sentence.), I'm sure no prospective employer would begrudge or doubt me.

Speaking of coal, I had no idea that the pit problem had been boiling for so long. I knew it blew up during thatcher's reign, but the fact that it was such a long time coming shines a rather harsh light on the competency of previous governments when dealing with that matter.
 
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So in my reread I got to my post where I say I just completed a reread, which I completely forgot. Then again the post is from 2018, maybe not that surprising.

I think I just passed my favorite chapters, new tank toys with cool names in Spain (autocannon Castanes light tank, Cervantes SPG), new planes with very cool names (Vickers/Spanish Venom! Gloster Griffon!). Great to see FAA get a monoplane fighter and Griffon/Venom engine/producer was very elegantly done.

For some reason I love seeing autocannon used on light tanks/armoured vehicles, even though I have no idea what it is. I guess autocannon just sounds cool. And it seems a popular choice in alt hist fiction (like Matilda I with autocannon).

I do have two questions:
1) You said you modded HoI to reflect German industry/economy being sort of a paper tiger. Can we know what it was, if you remember?
2) We got ATL KGV, Ark Royal and BCs (still waiting on number ordered), but what about other ships? Any changes to cruisers, DDs, subs? Cruisers especially seems like a fun ground for alt history.
 
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Soon after Pip announced that anothet relocation (new house) is finished, and I thought "he seems to do this very often, I should ask how many times he moved".

And my very next post after that (I think that was 2019) is that exact question.

Time is indeed a flat circle.
 
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For some reason I love seeing autocannon used on light tanks/armoured vehicles, even though I have no idea what it is. I guess autocannon just sounds cool. And it seems a popular choice in alt hist fiction (like Matilda I with autocannon).
Autocannon are very helpful for the light tank/infantry fighting vehicles level combat (and even sometimes in defending against armor). The M2/3 Bradley has a 25mm autocannon, and they're working on up gunning the Stryker with the Dragoon 30mm. Generally, these guns have fairly long reach, dual feeding mechanisms to choose between HE and AP, so it's very flexible in terms of engagements.
 
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Soon after Pip announced that anothet relocation (new house) is finished, and I thought "he seems to do this very often, I should ask how many times he moved".

And my very next post after that (I think that was 2019) is that exact question.

Time is indeed a flat circle.

You have remarkably consistent thought patterns, clearly.
 
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And I have now finished the last few chapters of what is now basically the akternate history version of Encyclopedia Britannica and am fully caught up.
I am always impressed that anyone looks at 348 pages and just under 170 chapters and says "Yes, I will catch up with that". I'm also pleased that people seem to enjoy the experience when they do catchup.
One great thing about this AAR is that it's hiatus-friendly.
This is a much under-rated feature of AARs in my opinion.
Anotger great thing about it is that I'm certain if I linked it in my curriculum vitae as source for an online degree on economics, another on engineering and a masters in international relations (really fascinating stuff the chapter about the international coal cartels, never thought I'd write such a sentence.), I'm sure no prospective employer would begrudge or doubt me.
I would certainly back you up in such a claim. I'd also say "sentences I never thought I'd write" is one of my secret writer motivations. ;)
Speaking of coal, I had no idea that the pit problem had been boiling for so long. I knew it blew up during thatcher's reign, but the fact that it was such a long time coming shines a rather harsh light on the competency of previous governments when dealing with that matter.
In fairness to the those governments even with hindsight it's not clear what the solution should be. The technocrat solution I think is managed decline - no more recruits/trainees, bare minimum investment in the mines for safety, spend the money on re-training and helping the miners+families relocate. I just don't think the unions would ever accept that and as noted the miners+families didn't really want to move either, or at least the ones who did had already left. The union solution of massive investment and modernisation doesn't work, it certainly changes the shape of the problem but it's costly and the end point (no more UK coal mining) doesn't change for environmental reasons alone.

So in my reread I got to my post where I say I just completed a reread, which I completely forgot. Then again the post is from 2018, maybe not that surprising.
Congratulations on your circular reading, I remain humbled by it.
I think I just passed my favorite chapters, new tank toys with cool names in Spain (autocannon Castanes light tank, Cervantes SPG), new planes with very cool names (Vickers/Spanish Venom! Gloster Griffon!). Great to see FAA get a monoplane fighter and Griffon/Venom engine/producer was very elegantly done.
I do love that one as well.
For some reason I love seeing autocannon used on light tanks/armoured vehicles, even though I have no idea what it is. I guess autocannon just sounds cool. And it seems a popular choice in alt hist fiction (like Matilda I with autocannon).
There is a narrow window where the autocannon is viable on a tank, earlier tanks weren't large enough (and autoloaders too bulkly), later on you needed more firepower and so bigger guns. But it is a populer alt-hist choice because for the first half of WW2 it is a great option.
I do have two questions:
1) You said you modded HoI to reflect German industry/economy being sort of a paper tiger. Can we know what it was, if you remember?
Rekcon it would have been severly limiting German stockpiles and probably some malus to money production. Germany was constantly on the verge of running out of all sorts of things, so I would have trired to replicate that. Maybe Past Pip also tried to dial down the armoured tech a bit, German Army success was radio/tactics/the French Army being led by a paranoid fossil with neurosyphilis/etc. Tank for tank the Allies generally had better machines, at least on the 'hard factors'.

2) We got ATL KGV, Ark Royal and BCs (still waiting on number ordered), but what about other ships? Any changes to cruisers, DDs, subs? Cruisers especially seems like a fun ground for alt history.
Nothing much yet, though there is a naval update coming which will cover those things. There will be no Dido class cruisers as the hive mind has decided on the Diadem class instead and that is not just a name change, big changes there. Destroyers and subs probably broadly similar, though some bits will change and be discussed.

Autocannon are very helpful for the light tank/infantry fighting vehicles level combat (and even sometimes in defending against armor). The M2/3 Bradley has a 25mm autocannon, and they're working on up gunning the Stryker with the Dragoon 30mm. Generally, these guns have fairly long reach, dual feeding mechanisms to choose between HE and AP, so it's very flexible in terms of engagements.
I defer to and agree with the expert. ;) I think this supports my view that an autocannon is a good tank weapon up to, say 1941, but rapidly falls away as big calibre autocannon aren't a thing (complex, massive recoil, do you really want to be automatically firing a 75mm/17pd projectile anyway?)

In any event, we have not seen the last of autocannons being put on vehicles in Butterfly.

You have remarkably consistent thought patterns, clearly.
It was and remains a valid question, one I have often pondered myself. I never moved house growing up, but after leaving university it seemd to happen every couple of years or less, I believe I am somewhat settled for the forseeable though I am reluctant to tempt fate.
 
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fairness to the those governments even with hindsight it's not clear what the solution should be. The technocrat solution I think is managed decline - no more recruits/trainees, bare minimum investment in the mines for safety, spend the money on re-training and helping the miners+families relocate. I just don't think the unions would ever accept that and as noted the miners+families didn't really want to move either, or at least the ones who did had already left. The union solution of massive investment and modernisation doesn't work, it certainly changes the shape of the problem but it's costly and the end point (no more UK coal mining) doesn't change for environmental reasons alone.

This is in essence the consensus of the readership in this aar so far. Rather unwinnable and unavoidable massive problem. Whether it was going to strike in the 50s, or the 80s, it was going to suck.
 
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Whether it was going to strike in the 50s, or the 80s, it was going to suck.
In a mild mitigation I will say that in the 1950s the problem was still seen as a shortage of miners. The Bevin Boys (the conscripts sent down the mines not into uniform) only got released in 1948 long after everyone else had been demobilised. I believe this delay was just to buy some time until the "Control of Engagement Order" came into force, which made it illegal for miners (and certain other professions) to change jobs and also made it illegal to hire anyone except through a Minister of Labour exchange.

Honestly the more I find out about what the Attlee government actually did the less I like them, and I wasn't exactly fond of them to begin with.
 
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. I believe this delay was just to buy some time until the "Control of Engagement Order" came into force, which made it illegal for miners (and certain other professions) to change jobs and also made it illegal to hire anyone except through a Minister of Labour exchange.

That's a really bad idea, especially for mining. What was the intent, protection of domestic manufacturing?
 
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That's a really bad idea, especially for mining. What was the intent, protection of domestic manufacturing?
Almost the exact opposite I believe, the aim was to force people into agriculture, coal and other 'dirty' industries but without those industries having to improve pay & conditions to actually attract workers. The Labour government was not quite full-on five year plan, but there were targets for output from those industries and calculations on the required labour force being produced and distributed to the nationalised industries and unions. Increasing pay was tricky due to lack of money and concerns about inflation, the economy was at full employment (ish) so other industries would react to try and keep their staff, hence the idea to continue wartime manpower controls because, after all, the man from Whitehall really did know best.

It got killed after the 1950 general election when Labour got a mild kicking from the electorate and the party dialled back some of the authoritarian bits slightly. I also think it got a bit embarrassing, as they had lacked the courage to just admit it was about state control the scheme had been sold as a temporary measure for 1 year due to the "economic emergency", but it kept getting renewed every year. People did start asking awkward questions about why there was still such an emergency after five years of Labour government and there was never a particulary good answer to that charge.
 
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Almost the exact opposite I believe, the aim was to force people into agriculture, coal and other 'dirty' industries but without those industries having to improve pay & conditions to actually attract workers. The Labour government was not quite full-on five year plan, but there were targets for output from those industries and calculations on the required labour force being produced and distributed to the nationalised industries and unions. Increasing pay was tricky due to lack of money and concerns about inflation, the economy was at full employment (ish) so other industries would react to try and keep their staff, hence the idea to continue wartime manpower controls because, after all, the man from Whitehall really did know best.

It got killed after the 1950 general election when Labour got a mild kicking from the electorate and the party dialled back some of the authoritarian bits slightly. I also think it got a bit embarrassing, as they had lacked the courage to just admit it was about state control the scheme had been sold as a temporary measure for 1 year due to the "economic emergency", but it kept getting renewed every year. People did start asking awkward questions about why there was still such an emergency after five years of Labour government and there was never a particulary good answer to that charge.

...the Attlee government was a bit mad, wasn't it? I mean, great in that it meant they pushed the welfare state into existing, and probably some other things, but all their employment and industry stuff...geopolitics too, I suppose.
 
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The Hitler of this TL won't invade Poland. He's bloody afraid of having El Pit visiting him in Berlin to point out the list of mistakes he made during the campaign.
 
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You do you man. I'm a patient man (sometimes) So I'm perfectly happy to wait. Much better that we get an inspired redux rather than a forced or uninspired update. Or worse, have you burn out on us.

Besides, you made all this lovely literature for us, and for free no less. It'd be damn dishonorable of me to say you couldn't do as you pleased.
Not planning on including aircraft in this one, got plenty to cover as it is. FAA changes are Sea Gladiator into service much earlier than OTL, improved Skua and the FAA actually looking at getting a single seat fighter.
Old, but didn't FAA got Gloster Griffon as future single seat fighter?

Weird that I also asked when will they got one, since update with Griffon was pretty recent (for Butterfly terms).
 
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Last Post before next page which of course means...

 
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