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I was thinking abou Europe Russia and I have got this idea:

Red country is Kuban and green one is Ural (I do not know better name). Between Russia Ural and germany is puppet state of Russia. There is Ukraine. I have two questions:
1. Should I give Odessa to Romania;
2. Is this good idea?
 
Well, in my opinion, giving Germany puppets made out of bits of European Russia is a little... iffy. They wanted Eastern Europe as Lebensraum to 'colonize', they would`ve ruled it probably as an extension of Germany rather than as a series of puppets. The Second Reich, ie, the one under the Kaiser, would`ve gone with that, as they really more wanted to keep client states and vassals like that, but the Third Reich would`ve most probably annexed everything upto the Urals, Hitler did state quite a few times that that is what was needed to be done to make Germany a dominant global power.
 
Cap`n Jim said:
Well, in my opinion, giving Germany puppets made out of bits of European Russia is a little... iffy. They wanted Eastern Europe as Lebensraum to 'colonize', they would`ve ruled it probably as an extension of Germany rather than as a series of puppets. The Second Reich, ie, the one under the Kaiser, would`ve gone with that, as they really more wanted to keep client states and vassals like that, but the Third Reich would`ve most probably annexed everything upto the Urals, Hitler did state quite a few times that that is what was needed to be done to make Germany a dominant global power.
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Germany in this map got a lot of land in Russia.
 
Right, i think at least Ukraine should be controlled by Germany. You maybee know about Hitlers plans to use it as the "Kornkammer der Wehrmacht" (English: Granary of the Wehrmacht)
Ukraine should be divided between Germany and Kuban:
All provinces western of the Boguchar-Kamensk Shakhtinski - Rostov- Line to Germany, the other Ukrainian Provinces (including the three) to Kuban
The Rest is quite okay, Russia and Ural as buffer states against Soviet Union under German protection....

And i think giving Odessa to Romania is okay as well.

By the way: The Infantry-Techtree Implementation looks very nice. As promised, i´ll finish land doctrines (hopefully) tomorrow.
 
Black Guardian said:
Right, i think at least Ukraine should be controlled by Germany. You maybee know about Hitlers plans to use it as the "Kornkammer der Wehrmacht" (English: Granary of the Wehrmacht)
Ukraine should be divided between Germany and Kuban:
All provinces western of the Boguchar-Kamensk Shakhtinski - Rostov- Line to Germany, the other Ukrainian Provinces (including the three) to Kuban
The Rest is quite okay, Russia and Ural as buffer states against Soviet Union under German protection....

And i think giving Odessa to Romania is okay as well.

By the way: The Infantry-Techtree Implementation looks very nice. As promised, i´ll finish land doctrines (hopefully) tomorrow.
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To divide Ukraine - will see.
 
i thought ur asian map was very good, i hate in HOI after BP you get all this land, germany wanted lebesraum, and lesser lebensraum, witch in my oppinion should be in the form of puppets, i think ukraine should stay, like crimea going to germany, it seems to be very close to EmKeiEn bp events :D wich are my favourite
 
Black Guardian, I have two questions about Guns & Brigade tech tree.
1. Tank regiments - there are not Tank regiments in vanila DD. Do you think about Heavy tanks or about semetning else?
2. SP Anti-Tank - there is not SP anti-tank in vanila DD.
 
Užičkibombarder said:
Black Guardian, I have two questions about Guns & Brigade tech tree.
1. Tank regiments - there are not Tank regiments in vanila DD. Do you think about Heavy tanks or about semetning else?
2. SP Anti-Tank - there is not SP anti-tank in vanila DD.
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there is SP AT - you may know them as tank destroyers, but they are called SP AT an example is the wespe or the bishop ... :)
 
Užičkibombarder said:
Black Guardian, I have two questions about Guns & Brigade tech tree.
1. Tank regiments - there are not Tank regiments in vanila DD. Do you think about Heavy tanks or about semetning else?
2. SP Anti-Tank - there is not SP anti-tank in vanila DD.
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1.) You are right, i think about smaller groups of tank which has the task to support the divisions -> heavy tank brigade. 2
2.) SP Anti Tank is better known as Tank Destroyer ;)



I finished the pre-alpha-version of the land doctrines. Almost all effects are included, except the HQ-upgrades (i´ll add them when the unit models are done).
Here are some screenis:

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Afghanistan, Most middle-african states, some south-american and southeast-asian countries.

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Great Britain, Canada, Australia, Spain and others...

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USA, Israel ...?


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Soviet Union, Indonesia, India

(China gets overwhelmin attack)

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Germany, France (Encirclement Focus)
 
Will be added in a later game version. I´ll need some playtesting and balancing to decide which effects it could have. And more important: That those effects are only effective after a Day of Doom and only until the damage is repaired and a normal war is possible.

For example: I could add a Wasteland-Fighter Division (Cavalry isn´t used yet) having fast land speed (infrastructure will be really low after nuclear strikes), high air defense, low supply consumption (to prevent TC-overload), high organization.
The disadvantages:
Lower Combat-Values than other land divisions.
I don´t want to have a super-fast, high organized and supply sparing unit with high combat-values driving around when the damages of the nuclear war are repaired (this will take time, but they WILL be repared)!

In a fight against normal divisions who aren´t situated in wasteland they should lose. That´s a difficult question of balancing, that´s why i would like to include it later.
First let´s do the rest of the techtree and the unit values.
 
Black Guardian, do you have any ideas about secret tech tree and industry tech tree?
 
Užičkibombarder said:
Black Guardian, do you have any ideas about secret tech tree and industry tech tree?
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All the nuclear weaponry should be put in the secret weapon techtree. Furthermore things like UAV and other early robot technologies. Modern Rocketry Technologies, Laser- and Sonic Weapons... Third Reich had a lot of secret weapon researches, maybee such projects could inspire us as well?

Concerning the Industrial techtree we could use things like industrial robot systems, modern assembly methods, Medicines & Public health (increase of manpower), all the electronics & computing tech as well as the intelligence-stuff. Furthermore i thought of a research-branch for nuclear bunkers, underground-factories & underground-cities to survive a nuclear war.
 
Black Guardian said:
All the nuclear weaponry should be put in the secret weapon techtree. Furthermore things like UAV and other early robot technologies. Modern Rocketry Technologies, Laser- and Sonic Weapons... Third Reich had a lot of secret weapon researches, maybee such projects could inspire us as well?

Concerning the Industrial techtree we could use things like industrial robot systems, modern assembly methods, Medicines & Public health (increase of manpower), all the electronics & computing tech as well as the intelligence-stuff. Furthermore i thought of a research-branch for nuclear bunkers, underground-factories & underground-cities to survive a nuclear war.
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Could you make pictures of industry and secret tech trees?
 
Užičkibombarder said:
Could you make pictures of industry and secret tech trees?
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If you ask me nicely :p ;)
I´ll do my very best ^^
 
As you can see, i turned my painting skills to "fast work" instead of "intensive drawing" ;)

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Industry-Path should give increase your total IC, and some techs (the industrial Robots) should decrease the building time of your units...

Agriculture-Technologies could decrease the consumer-goods that are needed (so you can spend more IC to upgrade your military.), furthermore a small increase of Supply-Production-Efficiency.

The Manpower-Growth-Modificator is the effect i would use for the medical research-branch.
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Encryption/Decryption -Effects should be self-explaining...

Computer Techs are needed to research them, furthermore they could increase your research-speed. (as calculating machines did in HoI 2)

Early Nuclear Bunkers have no effect, but they are needed to research the Subsurface-Buildings.
Subsurface Storages increases your offmap-supply-production (if a massive nuclear strike is launched, your Industry will not be able to supply all the troops. So there are nuclear-safe Storages which may help.)
Subsurface Factories will increase your offmap-IC (will help to survive nuclear wars)

I have no idea about the effects of nuclear-save barracks...

but of course subsurface cities increases your offmap-Manpower-growth... Or better further Industrial Capacity? Don´t know...
 
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