Ok so 25.8% Russians in Estonia, 29.6% in Latvia, and 6.3% in Lithuania. Still, can they make any difference? I seriously don't think so.
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It's your point of view. I have already said - everything i can consider as right and left are already in other sliders - economy and society regulations. Nationalism and socialism are simple additional extra-axis for country ideology (democracy-authority) to name it. They have no very important sence (no effects by sliders). So, basic axis are democratic-authority(plus, in minor, nationalism-socialism), society and market regualations. Very truth-like by my knowledge of sociology.kami888 said:
You may disagree with such concept, but i see no reasons not to use these suitable for me determinations.
kami888 said:The problem is that nationalism and socialism don't really have to contradict each other. For example, what do you think NBP is?kami888 said:I know that, but i don't see any other suiteable exit from paradox trap. Any other my ideas need totally rebuild of sliders.
Don't be afraid, TNW is not mod about socialism and nationalism opposition
(again - only minor axis for upper dem.-auth.)Why not include - include very well. Don't forget that even near Lvov 20-25% are pro-russian. To the east even in orange regions this percentages are higher (also, don't forget about cheatings by orange side =) ). So, my border is very correctkami888 said:
What do you want from me? I almost don't see any reasons to change this situation. Are you from Ukraine?
Lots of russians wrote that they are 'lithaunians' then it was possible for not having troubles in future. This percentages are higher. Also, Lithuania is not so very anti-russian to be unclaimed by itkami888 said:
(Important! You have no possiability to demand them, only events or war)
When any country (USA, for example...) will be isolated and 1/3 of its territory will be burned out by nuclear fire, it will be not important how much clerks, psychologists, lawers and shoper they have. Only industry to produce tanks and rifleskami888 said:
If you want me to change this (and some others) basic concept you should use your time machine into 2 years in past, then i began thinking about TNW
Not because of them, but even not looking at their rule. I don't what to discuss about THIS theme.kami888 said:During the 70 years of Bolshevik rule Russia came to be more powerful than ever before, by the way.
Yes, they can. Czehs are german in vanilla. They have not 90% gemarns in Praga, but they had such tradition.kami888 said:
They affect relations between countries though and the chances of building alliances or ending up at war.
So even 20% support is enough for you to consired a territory pro-something?
You know there might be 20% of Iraqis who support the US occupation these days. Are you sure you don't want to make Iraq a US national territory then?
Nay, Azerbaijan. But I'm an American now since I live in New York for more than 5 years.Are you from Ukraine?
Ok but this would make China the only superpower in the world, much more powerful than US even. That's kind of not right, don't you think?
Hehe ok. Just a little graph for you.
No more than slider of democracy, which is added by nat.-soc.kami888 said:
Yes, if Iraq will be under direct rule of USA for about 30+ years at least. It is my opinion. My mod is not real world. Only image of our world through my view and technical possibilites of HoI2.kami888 said:
Yes, if nothing will stop China, it will be the leading power. But something will trykami888 said:
You think it is because of great bolsheviks? You are crazy. They killed future of Russia as normal national state, built up the monster instead. Why you live in USA, not in PRK if you like bolsheviks so much?kami888 said:Hehe ok. Just a little graph for you.
На самом деле хочешь начать серьёзный разговор на эту тему? Может, лучше в аське?!
Nah, just a coincidence
1. I never said that I like bolsheviks
2. Korea is Jusche, not Bolshevik.
3. I can't speak Korean language
4. DPRK is under international blockade
5. I didn't really chose to move to USA, I was... moved there.
See, a total of 5 reasons why I should not move to Korea. I can come up with even more if I need to.
Нет не надо, спасибо. Я вижу ты тут представитель белого движения, как мне с тобой спорить
Да и в любом случае, мнения по этому поводу мы врядли изменим, сколько бы не спорили..
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"Не благодаря, а вопреки!" (с) - слышал о таком выражении? Это как раз тот самый случай. Dixi.kami888 said:Nah, just a coincidence
Be american, be happy, you have your own will. Don't teach russian what was and what is his country, particularly for him own.kami888 said:5. I didn't really chose to move to USA, I was... moved there.
See, a total of 5 reasons why I should not move to Korea. I can come up with even more if I need to.
Ошибаешься, но мне в принципе всё равно. Пойми, то, что я хорошо себе представляю я просто так не изменю, только если измениться моя точка зрения. Другое дело вещи, которые я делаю по незнанию. Тогда помощь принципиально важна, и я с удовольствием передалаю что-то так, чтобы это было правдоподобней (в том числе и для меня самого).kami888 said:Нет не надо, спасибо. Я вижу ты тут представитель белого движения, как мне с тобой спорить
Golden words!kami888 said:
anyway...
koreas:
http://www.korea.net/korea/kor_loca.asp?code=C0102
http://www.korea-dpr.com/menu.htm
http://newton.uor.edu/Departments&Programs/AsianStudiesDept/skorea-parties.html (check 4 other asian nations)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_North_Korea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_South_Korea
africa:
http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/ssrg/africa/political-parties-africa.html
middle east:
http://www.politicalresources.net/m_east.htm
europe:
http://www.politicalresources.net/europe.htm
americas:
http://www.politicalresources.net/c_amer.htm
http://www.politicalresources.net/n_amer.htm
http://www.politicalresources.net/s_amer.htm
koreas:
http://www.korea.net/korea/kor_loca.asp?code=C0102
http://www.korea-dpr.com/menu.htm
http://newton.uor.edu/Departments&Programs/AsianStudiesDept/skorea-parties.html (check 4 other asian nations)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_North_Korea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_South_Korea
africa:
http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/ssrg/africa/political-parties-africa.html
middle east:
http://www.politicalresources.net/m_east.htm
europe:
http://www.politicalresources.net/europe.htm
americas:
http://www.politicalresources.net/c_amer.htm
http://www.politicalresources.net/n_amer.htm
http://www.politicalresources.net/s_amer.htm
My answer to sliders critiques =)
These new political sliders are also 100% compatible with my political positions (yes, even better). Also they try to include opinions of discontented sides I hope now this won't be the reasin of arguing disputes.
How do you like it?
These new political sliders are also 100% compatible with my political positions (yes, even better). Also they try to include opinions of discontented sides
I hope now this won't be the reasin of arguing disputes.
How do you like it?
Hello
First, thank you Digoo for your mod and greetings for the team!
I discoverd it a few days ago and I think it can be great mod, when you finish it!
I informed about your mod all my polish friends on EUFI forum.
Anyway, if I can make some suggestions, I will point out those sliders.
I like those NEW sliders MUCH MUCH better!
"Capitalism" - "Socialism" is just what should be!
Also "Multiculturalism" - "Nationalism" is much better than it was
But shouldn't "Multiculturalism" be called "Globalism" ??
Isn't "Globalism" just a multi-culti program?
Please consider my suggestions about sliders written below. Every slider has its meanig, DIFFERENT aspect of state affairs. So this is how it works.
XX/XXI century sliders should be:
1*) form of government: democratic-autocratic
2*) ideology: fundamentalists-communists
3*) citizeship: nationalism-globalism (internationalism, multiculturalism)
4*) economy: capitalism-socialism
5*) army: professional-conscript
6*) war: hawks-doves
7*) international activity: interventionism-isolationism
We feel the same in 7, 6, 5.
We feel the same in 4 and 3 but with little differences.
I think that in ECONOMY "capitalism" is "noninterference" and "socialism" is "state regulation". That' s why I think your sliders in position 2 and 4 are about THE SAME THING.
We are different in 2 and 1.
About ideology in point 2 I think in could be made in a way below.
Left side is from HOI2
"--->"
Right side is my suggestions for XX/XXI century
+1 NATIONAL_SOCIALIST ---> Right Wing Radical (Christian or Islam Fundamentalists)
+2 FASCIST ---> Conservatives (todays "NeoConservatists" of Republican Party in USA)
+3 PATERNAL_AUTOCRAT ---> Conservative Democrat (Christian Democrat in EU)
+4 SOCIAL_CONSERVATIVE ---> Conservative Liberal
+5 MARKET_LIBERAL ---> Market Liberal (todays Conservative Party in UK)
-5 SOCIAL_LIBERAL ---> Social Liberal (Tony Blair' Labour's Party in UK)
-4 SOCIAL_DEMOCRAT ---> Social Democrat (SPD in Germany)
-3 LEFT_WING_RADICAL ---> Social Radical
-2 LENINIST ---> Socialist
-1 STALINIST ---> Communist
About form of government in point 1:
There are TWO DIFFERENT things:
1) FORM of government --> between democracy and autocrat/authoritarian (dicatorship)
2) IDEOLOGY of government -->between radical left (comunism) and radical wing (fundamentalism)
Government CAN be Right Wing Radical AND democratic (todays USA)
Government CAN be Right Wing Radical AND authoritarian/dictatorship (yesterdays Chile)
Government CAN be Left Wing Radical AND democratic (todays Spain)
Government CAN be Left Wing Radical AND authoritarian/dictatorship (todays Cuba)
So I propose slider between "democratic" governemnt and "autocratic" government.
Greets and keep up the good work.
First, thank you Digoo for your mod and greetings for the team!
I discoverd it a few days ago and I think it can be great mod, when you finish it!
I informed about your mod all my polish friends on EUFI forum.
Anyway, if I can make some suggestions, I will point out those sliders.
I like those NEW sliders MUCH MUCH better!
"Capitalism" - "Socialism" is just what should be!
Also "Multiculturalism" - "Nationalism" is much better than it was
But shouldn't "Multiculturalism" be called "Globalism"
??Isn't "Globalism" just a multi-culti program?
Please consider my suggestions about sliders written below. Every slider has its meanig, DIFFERENT aspect of state affairs. So this is how it works.
XX/XXI century sliders should be:
1*) form of government: democratic-autocratic
2*) ideology: fundamentalists-communists
3*) citizeship: nationalism-globalism (internationalism, multiculturalism)
4*) economy: capitalism-socialism
5*) army: professional-conscript
6*) war: hawks-doves
7*) international activity: interventionism-isolationism
We feel the same in 7, 6, 5.
We feel the same in 4 and 3 but with little differences.
I think that in ECONOMY "capitalism" is "noninterference" and "socialism" is "state regulation". That' s why I think your sliders in position 2 and 4 are about THE SAME THING.
We are different in 2 and 1.
About ideology in point 2 I think in could be made in a way below.
Left side is from HOI2
"--->"
Right side is my suggestions for XX/XXI century
+1 NATIONAL_SOCIALIST ---> Right Wing Radical (Christian or Islam Fundamentalists)
+2 FASCIST ---> Conservatives (todays "NeoConservatists" of Republican Party in USA)
+3 PATERNAL_AUTOCRAT ---> Conservative Democrat (Christian Democrat in EU)
+4 SOCIAL_CONSERVATIVE ---> Conservative Liberal
+5 MARKET_LIBERAL ---> Market Liberal (todays Conservative Party in UK)
-5 SOCIAL_LIBERAL ---> Social Liberal (Tony Blair' Labour's Party in UK)
-4 SOCIAL_DEMOCRAT ---> Social Democrat (SPD in Germany)
-3 LEFT_WING_RADICAL ---> Social Radical
-2 LENINIST ---> Socialist
-1 STALINIST ---> Communist
About form of government in point 1:
There are TWO DIFFERENT things:
1) FORM of government --> between democracy and autocrat/authoritarian (dicatorship)
2) IDEOLOGY of government -->between radical left (comunism) and radical wing (fundamentalism)
Government CAN be Right Wing Radical AND democratic (todays USA)
Government CAN be Right Wing Radical AND authoritarian/dictatorship (yesterdays Chile)
Government CAN be Left Wing Radical AND democratic (todays Spain)
Government CAN be Left Wing Radical AND authoritarian/dictatorship (todays Cuba)
So I propose slider between "democratic" governemnt and "autocratic" government.
Greets and keep up the good work.
My position:
1. Free/Controlled society - structure of society regulation. Does people form the ruling elites, or closed ruling elites try to contol peoples' mass.
2. Capitalism/Socialism - in reality i don't know what to do with this additional slider, in this list of sliders it is the form of economical-society development of the country.
3. Nationalism/Globalism - type of nation domination.
4. Free/Regulations - structure of inner market.
The better thing is to replace first four sliders by two sliders:
1. Society regulation
2. Economy reulation
These to should set up the third param - government type. Which should also have the influence.
Any regime can be represented by this two sliders, everything else is secondary in sense.
It is a pity i can not do every i want with sliders =(
1. Free/Controlled society - structure of society regulation. Does people form the ruling elites, or closed ruling elites try to contol peoples' mass.
2. Capitalism/Socialism - in reality i don't know what to do with this additional slider, in this list of sliders it is the form of economical-society development of the country.
3. Nationalism/Globalism - type of nation domination.
4. Free/Regulations - structure of inner market.
The better thing is to replace first four sliders by two sliders:
1. Society regulation
2. Economy reulation
These to should set up the third param - government type. Which should also have the influence.
Any regime can be represented by this two sliders, everything else is secondary in sense.
It is a pity i can not do every i want with sliders =(
I argee, but the same thing is with my sliders, isn't it?
No, i disargee strongly. Capitalism is the function from market and society regulations. It is a pity, we MUST do slider with 'Left-Right' sence as independent slider ;(
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although political designations can be pretty difficult to pin down, i think the site www.moral-politics.com does an ok job, maybe you could consider some of the issues here.
Yeah I think these are pretty good. I'd have preferred to keep the first slider as Democratic versus Non-Democratic rather than Free versus non-free society because I don't really recognize such thing as freedom of choice (it's quite complicated and has to do with sociology and the media - too long to explain here. For example, I don't believe that in any given country do people really chose the the ruling elites), but don't worry - these are just fine and I will not complain.
But to a little bit unrelated question:
I'm just curious - where would you put present day Russia if you were to rank it according to these sliders?
Oh and honestly, this graph makes no sense to me. But whatever, it's not part of the game anyway
First slider may means vertical mobility of society, not ability of people to rule themselfskami888 said:
I will not change initial sliders setp up for Russia in 1996.kami888 said:
It's a pitty i can't make such sliders for my MOD.kami888 said:
I will download this mod. It looks cool. What have been done to Norway in this mod? Anything cool?
I am afraid, only ministersTotti said:
Nothing special yet, and the same for almost all countries =)
"Present day" means 2007, not 1996.
I'm just asking what sliders would Russia have for 2007.
TNW will not linear mod. I hope each game will be enough different for not to know about future very more.kami888 said:
I have tested your mod a little and I see you still need a lot of work to correct many things.
One question I have - why Ukraine has so large IC ? It is by 20 % larger than in Poland.
Well it had stronger heavy industry, but still overall it even today after fast growth in recent years about 40 % weaker than Poland. :wacko:
Obviously it is large country, but in the entire region only Poland could claim the status of regional power - and only with difficulty . Of course it is your mod, but if you want realism in the project lowering ukrainian IC to about 38-40 with increase of that of Poland to about 58 is perfectly justified.
One question I have - why Ukraine has so large IC ? It is by 20 % larger than in Poland.
Well it had stronger heavy industry, but still overall it even today after fast growth in recent years about 40 % weaker than Poland. :wacko:
Obviously it is large country, but in the entire region only Poland could claim the status of regional power - and only with difficulty . Of course it is your mod, but if you want realism in the project lowering ukrainian IC to about 38-40 with increase of that of Poland to about 58 is perfectly justified.
Everytime I start up a game, it automatically says I've because of time. I have unlimited time mod downloaded and working, but the game still has problems with time. Do you have an idea what is wrong?