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heroes133 said:
Idk what is happening then, I guess the conversion to Polish Zloty is much worse now bcs i have never paid this much for a dlc and i have all of them.

I will still buy the dlc but propably wait a month or so, hopefully there will be some better deal and all of the bugs will be fixed by then ;)
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When looking at Steam regional pricing I noticed that there was apparently an adjustment for their calculations a some time back. This has resulted on some massive increases in certain areas according to the articles. Apparently it was to stop people from switching regions or at least make that less appealing.

Maybe check out some EU4 Youtubers. They often get discount codes (GoG or gamesplanet). Also gamesplanet is often running a 10-15 % discount. If you can combine that with a further discount code you can get it a good bit cheaper even at release if you really want to play it.
 
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I really wish they'd go back to the old model of selling the game content and the art/music stuff separately. I'd definitely be happy to save a few hundred ¥ here by not having to pay for unit models/songs that I don't want.

No offence intended towards the artists here, it's just that I play EU4 with the music off and I never zoom in enough to really see unit models. It's just not stuff I use.
 
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heroes133 said:
Idk what is happening then, I guess the conversion to Polish Zloty is much worse now bcs i have never paid this much for a dlc and i have all of them.

I will still buy the dlc but propably wait a month or so, hopefully there will be some better deal and all of the bugs will be fixed by then ;)
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This is Steam's issue, right? I'm buying games in the Polish steam and I see that the prices are quite something. Perhaps Steam keeps everyone in EU with the same price tag and złoty conversion is rarely updated?

Or maybe not because GOG has the same price of 91 zł ($21) and you'd think GOG understands the Polish market.
 
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Wait? This is a major expansion? I never once got that impression from the dev diaries showing off minor reworks to mission trees that have already been expanded before. I thought this was a minor flavor DLC and would be priced as such.
 
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Personally, I think the price here is justified since the dev team does quite a number of reworks not just the DLC but also the free content. Don't forget that new development pay-out is by DLC sales. Sure, the actual DLC content might be less in terms of previous major expansion DLCs and some of the decisions made by the dev team might be questionable but nevertheless the content offered is quite huge if you included the free content.
 
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Kapi96 said:
I really wish they'd go back to the old model of selling the game content and the art/music stuff separately. I'd definitely be happy to save a few hundred ¥ here by not having to pay for unit models/songs that I don't want.

No offence intended towards the artists here, it's just that I play EU4 with the music off and I never zoom in enough to really see unit models. It's just not stuff I use.
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Wish I could like this ten times, agree 1000%.

More modular DLC please.
 
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Limyx826 said:
Personally, I think the price here is justified since the dev team does quite a number of reworks not just the DLC but also the free content.
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But.. Free content is free, isn't it?

I just wonder If we'll be able to purchase that little extra music pack without preordering (if not, that a bit of a FOMO thing).
Which ultimately means 19.99€ + X.X€.
 
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Limyx826 said:
Personally, I think the price here is justified since the dev team does quite a number of reworks not just the DLC but also the free content. Don't forget that new development pay-out is by DLC sales. Sure, the actual DLC content might be less in terms of previous major expansion DLCs and some of the decisions made by the dev team might be questionable but nevertheless the content offered is quite huge if you included the free content.
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So the people buying this dlc have gone from paying for a game expansion to subsidizing a free patch for everyone? Because the content that the patch brings only justifies the price of an immersion pack as it is a rehash from old dlcs. Normally before the major expansions bring new mechanics for all countries, now you pay to upgrade the quality of the previous investment packs that you already paid for. I don't question the work or dedication of paradox, I question if it makes sense for what we paid for the dlc what we received.

Sorry for my english from google translate, and it´s only my opinion.
 
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Having over 3500 hours in the game and having friends with many more than that I have a hard time feeling like $20 is overly expensive for the time-to-dollar ratio spent here. $20 is the norm for EU4 expansions and has been for some time and if you don't feel the price is worth it, don't buy it. But I know I will get good value from it so this feels an awful lot like penny-counting to me.
 
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Aybara978NE said:
Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that you thought it should be free. I do agree that the price was shockingly high when I first saw it. My point was really that I don’t think we should discount the value of the mission tree changes, even if they are for nations touched by previous dlc.

My inclination is to say that there is more value here than a traditional immersion pack, but less value than a traditional expansion pack. But since they are not going to add any more sweeping gameplay changes (which I think is a good thing, let’s save that for EU5), this might be what to expect for expansion packs.

That said, I value the music and sprite packs a lot, so the extra music included with the pre-order is swaying my calculus.
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It's a middle ground between an expansion and an immersion pack, and therefore should match the same price as LotN which is in a similar position.

I also love EU4 music, but a pre order bonus should not account to the overall price. The price after the launch will stay the same and include 6 less songs, so even worse value.
 
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Limyx826 said:
Personally, I think the price here is justified since the dev team does quite a number of reworks not just the DLC but also the free content. Don't forget that new development pay-out is by DLC sales. Sure, the actual DLC content might be less in terms of previous major expansion DLCs and some of the decisions made by the dev team might be questionable but nevertheless the content offered is quite huge if you included the free content.
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But the free content is free. When buying the DLC we are recieving a set amount of content, the free stuff should not be included in that calculation, because it's free for everyone. So not including free things, the DLC is worse value than Leviathan and LotN but priced at a Leviathan level.
 
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Buke said:
Wait? This is a major expansion? I never once got that impression from the dev diaries showing off minor reworks to mission trees that have already been expanded before. I thought this was a minor flavor DLC and would be priced as such.
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My thoughts exactly
 
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Dakka said:
Having over 3500 hours in the game and having friends with many more than that I have a hard time feeling like $20 is overly expensive for the time-to-dollar ratio spent here. $20 is the norm for EU4 expansions and has been for some time and if you don't feel the price is worth it, don't buy it. But I know I will get good value from it so this feels an awful lot like penny-counting to me.
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I'm sure people will gets loads of value from the DLC. Don't get me wrong, the content in the DLC all looks really good. But we can't just stay quiet while they charge us more money for less content, someone has to say something or it'll keep going up and up. You can call it penny counting if you want, but right now a lot of countries are really struggling with a cost of living crisis, so penny counting is EXACTLY what many people are doing right now. And while I will say that buying video games isn't a great idea, some people want an escape and have been excitied for the DLC for a long time, and the price is just a bit of a slap in the face.
 
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Lykus Cerebros said:
But the DLC is the same price as previous major expansions. Sure you can argue if its a major expansion or not.
But as Johan stated the price has been the same since 2007.
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And my argument is that this DLC doesn't have enough content to warrant it being classed as an expansion.
 
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iClipse said:
Different people, different circumstances. Yet, I ordered a Pizza delivery last week. That was a 25 EUR cost. This DLC costs less than a single take-away delivery meal. I recon I will get a whole lot more pleasure from this DLC than I will have received from that Pizza (and it was delicious).

In general though, I find complaining about a price...Meaningless? If a price is too high, you don't buy it. I don't buy a Ferrari because I find it way too expensive. Doesn't mean I go complain to Ferrari that their price is too high.

Again, different product, different circumstances. Yet, there are alternatives as well. There is the 5 EUR subscription. You don't get locked out of the Spanish/British mission trees if you don't buy this content but had previous content. There is a big patch accompanying the DLC. The game is in its best state since years (imo). Most bugs have been patched. Most obviously broken stuff was changed.

You may call me a capitalist slave, but I'm honestly just a guy who's glad that his favorite game, a game that was released over 10 years ago, is still receiving content and love. And it's this continued support that makes stuff like Anbennar and Europa expanded thrive even more. So no, I don't mind paying 20 EURO's for something that will give me the equivalent of <0,10 cent an hour enjoyment.
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Like I said above, the content in the DLC is great and I am sure it will be a very fun DLC. But a lot of people have been excitied for this DLC, and I assume a lot have been expecting it to be an Immersion pack, and priced at that rate. So now all of a sudden it's an expansion pack. It's easy to say when you have a comfortable living that 20 Euro or £16 is nothing and you'll get loads of value blah blah, but for many that's a lot of money they weren't expecting to spend.

I am also very happy they are still supporting EU4, and I wish they do for the forseeable fuiture, but yeah I think this is a bad move.
 
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I have a few things to say about this:

-I think content wise this is more of a 15€ DLC then 20€.
-This DLC "overrides" previous DLC content of multiple DLCs. Its not addional content for those releases, but a full on improvment which nessesitates that these changes and new bits of flavor need next to all the mechanics of the prevoius DLC to be sold with it. Why should you buy Rule Britannia now? The only content/mechanic from RB not provided by Domination is Anlicanism. Hardly makes RB worth 10€ now.
-Also lets do a thought experiment: Whats stopping you from releasing another DLC that overrides content from nations like Britain? I guess us not paying for the DLC.

Really this overriding of previous sold flavour is problematic.

Btw what happend to the "old" rule of Expansion pack followed by free patch followed by Immersion pack and repeat? Ever since Emperor and the founding of Tinto this has been abolished. only 1.33 was a free patch. Any comunication on that change of policy?

In general this problem of overriding is going to come up more often. Many places had their dedicated DLC allready. Bound to happen more often.
Only way i see this problem coming less up is to go the common sense way of handling important things. Just incorperate previous DLC into base game. Makes ensuring compatability easier and reduces the huge lists of DLC. My suggestion: Mandate of Heaven and all DLC before it (6 years and older).
This method will over time remove clashes of previously sold content. I for one have no problem with mechanics and content beeing made free after years and years.
This stuff is simply a matter of fairness to a new customer.

I for one wont buy the DLC for 20€. I simply dont agree with the price, aswell as me rarely playing the nations that get this content.
I doubt the price will be lowered because of this thread. Tinto will observe and see how the non-forum people see this matter. The interesting question therefore will be: How quickly will the DLC go on sale? Low sale numbers surely would result in that. If the sale happens only in the far future than i guess the price of 20€ was correct. We will have to see.
 
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Kapi96 said:
I really wish they'd go back to the old model of selling the game content and the art/music stuff separately. I'd definitely be happy to save a few hundred ¥ here by not having to pay for unit models/songs that I don't want.

No offence intended towards the artists here, it's just that I play EU4 with the music off and I never zoom in enough to really see unit models. It's just not stuff I use.
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Yep, that system was a lot better. Sadly, a lot of people (especially people not on PDX forums or new players trying to get into PDX) complained about overwhelming amount of DLC, which is probably (I think one dev commented about this somewhere?) big part of why they changed it. It's an understandable complaint but old system was better if you took your time to research which DLC to buy.
 
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