Why did you just give a card to TNT? Why did you just propose a team and immediately reject it?
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I'm not even sure what jpr expects this to do-unless this proposal is made out of anger.
The useless card that does nothing at all?
And reject a team that's going to be rejected regardless of what I propose or how I vote?
It's a mystery.
I mean, it does make sure whoever sabotaged the last team isn't on it, but I still think Glio and Randy are more cleared than TNT.
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I don't understand jpr's actions if he were Resistance. No Resistance player would give anything to nor propose a team with a fairly-obvious by now (though stubborn) spy. I know the feeling of "we're going to lose" but it's never propelled me to do something actively harmful.
Voting.
Though it's quite obvious what my vote will be.
As far as I can tell:
Resistance:
Tamius
Glio
Randy
Tonka
Aedan
Spies:
Cliges
TNT
jpr
Voting.
Though it's quite obvious what my vote will be.
As far as I can tell:
Resistance:
Tamius
Glio
Randy
Tonka
Aedan
Spies:
Cliges
TNT
jpr
If you believe me, the team most likely to succeed is jpr, aeden, me and one of the others. So not putting yourself on it is strange. If you don't think that any team with you on it is going to be approved, then why make this proposal?
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Myeah. So it seems.
I suspect he was not the only spy in that last team, though. I mean, why such a weird attempt to make himself look bad?
The team I want to see is Tamius, Tonka, gliomarto, randakar. I'm starting to believe such a team might actually be spy-free. Unlike certain other proposals ..
## reject
By the way ..
Really falc, are you going to insist I always send you a PM as well? Because it's growing tiresome..
The resistance have been very stupid this game. We all blamed TNT for the first sabotage and we assumed he was the only spy on the first team. But if you were the leader of that proposal and knew that someone had an ItS card, would you propose a team with only 1 spy? The smart thing to do would be propose one with 2 spies. The ItS then helps them coordinate which of them sabotages, so multiple sabotages are impossible.
Since Randy used the ItS on Glio and not TNT we can assume that both Randy and TNT cannot both be spies, as that wouldn't help them coordinate a sabotage. So we are left with the only explanation that both Glio and TNT are spies. Glio then sabotaged the second mission and pinned it on me.
Obviously it's hard for me to defend myself having put Aedan in over Tonka rather randomly. Like I said that was actually just an error on my part. If I was a spy why would I care which of the two was on the mission? Unless one of them was a fellow spy, in which case why ask for opinions anyway? My team had to be accepted, so I would have just put the one who wasn't a spy on the team in the first place. The resistance need to actually stop and think about the things that are actually happening rather than just jumping to conclusions. My current proposal was purely out of frustration and resignation that the game had been lost and I meant for it to be rejected by everyone.
Now I just have to figure out who the last spy is... Cliges would be the obvious choice but we have seen many previous games where he has acted completely irrationally whilst being resistance. I think the final spy is probably Tamius.
Since Randy used the ItS on Glio and not TNT we can assume that both Randy and TNT cannot both be spies, as that wouldn't help them coordinate a sabotage. So we are left with the only explanation that both Glio and TNT are spies. Glio then sabotaged the second mission and pinned it on me.
Obviously it's hard for me to defend myself having put Aedan in over Tonka rather randomly. Like I said that was actually just an error on my part. If I was a spy why would I care which of the two was on the mission? Unless one of them was a fellow spy, in which case why ask for opinions anyway? My team had to be accepted, so I would have just put the one who wasn't a spy on the team in the first place. The resistance need to actually stop and think about the things that are actually happening rather than just jumping to conclusions. My current proposal was purely out of frustration and resignation that the game had been lost and I meant for it to be rejected by everyone.
Now I just have to figure out who the last spy is... Cliges would be the obvious choice but we have seen many previous games where he has acted completely irrationally whilst being resistance. I think the final spy is probably Tamius.
hey, I accepted the last team, thank you very much
That's the possibility I've mentioned before.. and you're right: It *is* the smart thing to do. TNT doing that makes a lot of sense.
And look what happened next: Glio chose to use his card to look at TNT, then declared him a spy. Which is all fine and dandy, but it made double sure he would look good while allowing for the possibility to pin the blame on me, later.
If you had been given TNT's name you wouldn't know the name of the third spy. However, the nasty bit there is that if this is a circle (a knows b, b knows c, c knows a) you could be fairly sure that *that* spy would know who you are, and also know your identity.. in which case it really doesn't matter who you put on there.
All this really proves is that spies each knowing just one name isn't really helping the resistance.. ;-)
Well, you will have to forgive us for confusing your lack of motivation with the possibility that you as a spy thought you didn't need to put in more effort because you felt the spies had already won ..
But .. wouldn't it then have been wiser for tamius to play that strong leader card on the person we all thought was reasonably clear: Glio?
( Unless he didn't have TNT's name .. )
One of the things I'd like to point out here is that we've seen almost nobody (who isn't TNT) accusing me of being a spy. At least until this result came back. Ditto for glio.
In fact, TNT isn't even attacking gliomarto all that much, except for half-heartedly. You'd think that he would comment on things Glio posts as well, if they are truly on different teams, but he doesn't. Why?
I have made some bad choices at times, but I'm still not sure what you're doing right now. You're either making a very bad/weird proposal under duress or else making a bad one on purpose pretending it's under such circumstances. Something akin to what randakar has been accusing me of doing. I have little doubt your team will be not be rejected, so I'm not even sure if it matters how I vote.
The last sabotaged mission came as little surprise, but I wanted to demonstrate that a team without me was not necessarily going to work, nor one without tonka.
I'm still not quite sure what tonka is even accusing me of currently. Unless he means I haven't defended myself properly or something-which I don't think really matters. If I lack credibility so much, yet again, I'm not going try and recover that which is probably lost for the duration of the game. But I'm not too concerned given that I think I have right now seen the all-time worst proposal/card distribution in my Resistance career.
Could write more about recent events, I'll see what happens today.
Mistaken or poorly thought out? Yes-but your current action is far more irrational than anything I have ever seen.
Oh, I am planning to comment on some of the things that glio has posted once your team-of-doom (tm) has been proposed. Like that he predicted a sabotage the last mission even though he was happy enough with the team beforehand. It just makes more sense to do that once you'll try to lead the village to its doom and our survival is at stake than doing it while jpr is acting strangely. jpr's proposal has exactly a 0% chance of being passed and even I have voted against it. From my POV leaving a cleared jpr out is just doubling the risk unnecessarily and at this moment this is the last thing we want.
Leading who to where now?
Dude, I'm completely clueless as to who the spies are. Isn't that obvious by now?
(Never mind, don't answer that. It's pointless anyway.)
You're calling JPR 'cleared'? Really?
And I like how you manage to do that and accuse him of acting strangely in the same post. Really - well done!
For someone who is supposedly clueless you sure are trying very hard to lead the village to its doom.
Considering that glio and you were the spies on the last mission, yes, I am calling jpr (and aedan!) cleared from my POV. Sure, a team with 3 spies is theoretically possible, but it's very unlikely. But if you have managed to do that, you do deserve the win.
Considering that glio and you were the spies on the last mission, yes, I am calling jpr (and aedan!) cleared from my POV. Sure, a team with 3 spies is theoretically possible, but it's very unlikely. But if you have managed to do that, you do deserve the win.
For someone who is supposedly clueless you sure are trying very hard to lead the village to its doom.
Considering that glio and you were the spies on the last mission, yes, I am calling jpr (and aedan!) cleared from my POV. Sure, a team with 3 spies is theoretically possible, but it's very unlikely. But if you have managed to do that, you do deserve the win.
Ah, so that's what you're aiming for: Since they are "cleared", you now have a free path to put both of them on a team and have the third team contain all three spies. ;-)
I really like your style, TNT. I really do.
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I'll be interested to eventually find out the purpose of the proposal though.
I'll be interested to eventually find out the purpose of the proposal though.
None at all. There was absolutely no chance at all that any team I proposed would ever be accepted, so I just tried to propose the worst team possible. I did forget to include you in it though.