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If videofan doesn't send word by noon GMT, tomorrow (Sept. 6), leadership will pass on (to randakar) unless there are objections.
In case a player is gone for a long time, for the remainder of this game, team approval votes will default to Approve if a player is on the proposed team, while defaulting to Reject if the player is not on the proposed team.
Likewise, Mission orders will default to Support for Resistance players, and default to Sabotage for Spies if a lengthy period occurs without an order sent following an approval of a team team. (This is part was already mentioned from the start in the rules.)
In case a player is gone for a long time, for the remainder of this game, team approval votes will default to Approve if a player is on the proposed team, while defaulting to Reject if the player is not on the proposed team.
Likewise, Mission orders will default to Support for Resistance players, and default to Sabotage for Spies if a lengthy period occurs without an order sent following an approval of a team team. (This is part was already mentioned from the start in the rules.)
videonfan notified me in the werewolf game that he'd be away for yesterday and today, but he obviously forgot to do so here as well.
Okay,so I've read the thread.
Me,I know that I am a resistance member,yet I have no proof for that.You would have to just trust me.
Marty's story makes sense and doesn't seem spy to me.
Falc claims to be perceival,and doesn't seem suspicious so I will accept him.
Randakar is no doubt a resistance member.
Tonka and TNT,I won't be taking the risk with them.
Jpr would have sabotaged when he could,and he could do it many times.
So here is the team I propose
Videonfan
Falc
Randakar
Marty99
Jpr123
Accept the team and pre-loaded action
Me,I know that I am a resistance member,yet I have no proof for that.You would have to just trust me.
Marty's story makes sense and doesn't seem spy to me.
Falc claims to be perceival,and doesn't seem suspicious so I will accept him.
Randakar is no doubt a resistance member.
Tonka and TNT,I won't be taking the risk with them.
Jpr would have sabotaged when he could,and he could do it many times.
So here is the team I propose
Videonfan
Falc
Randakar
Marty99
Jpr123
Accept the team and pre-loaded action
I've already pre-accepted, but since I've got an internet connection, I may as well:
APPROVE
For Death and Glory.
APPROVE
For Death and Glory.
To be fair to citizen, tamius approving means nothing as he is Ysbaddaen.
But Aedan, Octa, approving an all-resistance team makes no sense. Okay, there was a slight chance of Ickybad being on that team, but why take that chance? The odds of a team having none of SLancelot, Octa, or Morgana on it, are quite small. So why approve one, when you can easily reject and the next team will almost certainly have a known spy on it?
Aedan's vote makes no sense at all here if citizen is Merlin. As for tamius23 I don't think we can read anything into his votes, at least in the early game.
Even now, we can't make too many assumptions. All we know is, he doesn't want to approve a team with no spies on it (presumably why he's voting privately, which otherwise makes little sense at this point)
But who are we to guess who he thinks the spies are? My guess is, he's realised that the proposed team is all-resistance; he has no arguments against it so can't reject publicly, but he knows if he doesn't reject the mission will pass.
But it's still just that, a guess.
Agreed. Note also, I rejected it. And although Merlin doesn't start off knowing TNT was Spy Lancelot, I had more than enough information to figure it out by that time.
Good point. While it's very hard to actually second guess what Ysbaddaen would do, one thing I think would be a priority would be to minimise any concrete information we have by spreading the mission team over more people, instead of consolidating what we already knew. He does exactly that. I hadn't actually considered this before.
Apologies, but it did not say so on the front page, and to be fair I did ask for clarification - which I'm grateful for.
Already gave my explanation, that I was gambling on it to fail. Like it or not, my gamble paid off. Citizen could say the same thing in this case, of course, although he hasn't actually responded to it. Note that Aedan accused me of being inconsistent here, yet said nothing to citizen, even though citizen voted the same way and is also saying Aedan is Octa. Makes you wonder why Aedan didn't question citizen at all.
I think it's a tiny bit strange, but not as much as you make it out to be.
Firstly, tamius knows jack shit. His approval means, again, almost nothing.
TNT knows only that he is a spy, as far as he is concerned it's as likely to be a one-man spy team as any other, so him approving is also not weird in the least.
Citizen and Aedan approving a two-spy team (I don't think they suspected tamius of being Ysbaddaen more than anyone else) may seem weird. But it's not that incredible.
Firstly, since Aedan is on the team, he knows that by approving, he can choose not to sabotage and thus he personally knows there is no risk of a double-sabotage. He also has TNT's statement that he will sabotage, so he can be fairly confident of that.
So in my view, three of the spies' voting there is perfectly rational behaviour. The only slight question mark is citizen. He is the only one consciously running the risk of a double-sabotage.
But even then, a two spy-team isn't disastrous. Even in the worst case scenario, where there are two sabotages, the expected reaction would be that it takes out two spies but also one resistance out of any future mission team. Leaving Mission 3 having to pick 4 resistance members, from a pool of 5 resistance members and 2 spies. One of these last four resistance members is Good Lancelot, tonka, who could switch, and if that happens, then picking 4 resistance members is very unlikely, unless the resistance picks someone from the double-sabotage team, in which case the spies would essentially get away scot-free. In either case, a double-sabotage wouldn't turn out to be disastrous.
(I know it was a 3-spy team, but neither citizen nor Aedan could have known that tamius was ickybad)
And then there is the fact that Citizen knows one of the spies is Spy Lancelot. I actually don't think we've paid enough attention to this. In my view, Morgana would not care whether or not SLancelot was found out as a near-certain spy because a) he's likely to switch to the goodies at some point and thus become a liability for the resistance, and b) the goodies still might trust TNT because they know he might switch. We know this because both of those have actually happened in this game.
Lastly, Citizen also sees TNT's post, reckons Aedan has too, and hopes Aedan knows not to sabotage.
All in all, while that vote may look curious in first, in actual fact, each one of them has their own excellent reasons to approve.
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So I take it that your grand plan is to be such an obvious Merlin that Octa thinks it's all a huge bluff and picks someone else out as Merlin? If so, I like it! It has panache and a certain je ne sais quoi that comes with every Marty plot.
I'm sorry I ever doubted you.
I'm sorry I ever doubted you.
I'd argue that this team is foolish.
I'd argue that there is no reason to trust Marty.
I'd argue that you have no proof that I am a spy.
I'd argue a lot of things, but you aren't going to believe me.
As such
I am Octa
I know that Falc is Merlin.
I didn't want to win this way, but I'm out of options.
Citizen, what on earth were you thinking with your argument with Marty?
I realize you had to stopping from being accepted as Merlin, but your arguments made no sense, and only made you look worse.
Granted they probably weren't going to put you on a team, but that killed any chance at that.
Lets get this over with
Approve
I'd argue that there is no reason to trust Marty.
I'd argue that you have no proof that I am a spy.
I'd argue a lot of things, but you aren't going to believe me.
As such
I am Octa
I know that Falc is Merlin.
I didn't want to win this way, but I'm out of options.
Citizen, what on earth were you thinking with your argument with Marty?
I realize you had to stopping from being accepted as Merlin, but your arguments made no sense, and only made you look worse.
Granted they probably weren't going to put you on a team, but that killed any chance at that.
Lets get this over with
Approve
That is exactly it.
Unfortunately, PercyFalc wants to try and hide me from Octa so he denies me being Merlin. He is not aware of this particular Marty plot, and in fact he actually makes more obviously Merlin
Wow, you actually did buy my bluff! Or are you just saying that? Hmmm...are you the type of man who would put the poison in his own cup, or his enemy's?
EDIT: Yes, of course Falc's the real fucking Merlin. I mean seriously, randy, TNT, could you guys really not see what I was trying to do?!! You can't see any benefit in pretending to be Merlin? No, instead it's 'hurr durr, anyone claiming to be Merlin must be a spy derp derp'
It seems like only 3 people in this game figured out who the real Merlin is. Honestly, I'm surprised Aedan managed to when he is new to the whole resistance thing. When Citizen basically admitted to being a spy and said I was the likely Merlin I thought we would actually win
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It was obvious to me literally from the first voting round of the game. I'm not bragging; anyone with my Perceval powers would have figured it out.It seems like only 3 people in this game had figured out who the real Merlin is. Honestly, I'm surprised Aedan managed to when he is new to the whole resistance thing. When Citizen basically admitted to being a spy and said I was the likely Merlin I thought we would actually win
Falc just was too blatantly obvious. This isn't really his fault, he only started giving himself away whenever the village was on the point of losing and I'm sure he felt he didn't have a choice, but on the third mission proposal with aedan and tamius on it, whenever he called everyone to reject it...yeah it was fairly obvious I thought. Then again, if you're right and only two non-Percevals figured it out, we were actually quite unlucky
I thought once I called the whole spy team perfectly, it might persuade Octa to believe my claim, but then again, since Perceval already knows Morgana and Ysbaddaen, and he clearly knew I was PErceval, me picking out the other two spies wasn't too hard a task. Still, I put in my all. Did I play well this game? No, horrendously bad, actually. Although I don't actually mean my claim to be a spy, that actually worked perfectly, and my Merlin claim fooled almost everyone, but my analysis was not as sharp as it could have been. Not nearly. I always seemed to figure out everything just a minute too late, when I had the info to do it right away.
Well played, Aedan777. I still count this as a moral victory (of sorts, I at least think we deserve some credit for getting three passed missions back from the brink), but you deserve the win. Congratulations
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The worst thing is, I wanted to actually save outing myself as Merlin for a future game in which I actually was Merlin. Now that'll never work
I actually thought Tonka was Merlin in the early game, before I realized that since TNT didn't sabotage mission 1, that meant Tamius had, throwing my previous assumption out the window. As I tried to think who it could be Falc handed it to me
I figured there was no way anyone besides Merlin would know that and once I looked at the voting assuming Falc was Merlin and Tamius was Ysssbalden it all fit.