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And you then put me on the team and think it will succeed...
Your inconsistency is only making your position worse
I put you on the team as a guess, and tmk you can't change um this far in.
Edit- Can I change the team? I just got an idea on how to prove whos lying and whos not.
Aedan, a question for you. When you become the leader, you will have a 3-man team to propose. What would you say to Cliges, Randy and me (not putting yourself on)?
Tonka's proposal of:
Was rejected 2-5 as follows:
Approve: Tonka, Cliges
Reject: Aedan, Tamius, TNT, Gliomarto, Randakar
Aedan is now the leader and free to propose a team.
Cliges
Randy
Aedan
Randy
Aedan
Was rejected 2-5 as follows:
Approve: Tonka, Cliges
Reject: Aedan, Tamius, TNT, Gliomarto, Randakar
Aedan is now the leader and free to propose a team.
I can't really see you being resistance after that response. Wrong answer, sorry.
You have two players from a successful team and a third you know to be resistance. A fairly clean team, but you're not sure about it.
The conclusion I'm brought to is that both you and Tonka are spies. Tonka putting a spy on his proposal when a spy himself makes a lot of sense. And if Cliges and Randy didn't sabotage mission 1 because they're both resistance, it explains your hesitance about putting them on your proposal.
Of course, you could have your doubts about Mission 1's team. After all, last game mission 1 had a spy on who supported the mission. But looking from a point-of-view that involves you being resistance, in all honesty, I couldn't come up with a better team. As far as I and the rest of the players here are concerned, it makes more sense to put me on than it does to put yourself on; you have announced my allegiance, after all, while yours is unconfirmed by anyone.
You have a point, however sabotaging mission 1 here with fewer people both total and on team one is a harder prospect for a spy. That and the fact Cliges actually accepted the previous team make me think he is a spy. Not saying I have a better team, but that team does have flaws in it.
I don't care if you are a spy, as long as you propose that team. If the three on it and you accept, then it'll pass, then if there are no sabotages, I'll propose it again, and then I win.
I see your point, but I couldn't understand you swapping one or both of mission 1's successful team out for unproven players. It would be silly to have more doubts about players who have been on a successful team than players who have not.
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Very well. Against my better judgement I propose a team of
Cliges
Tamius
Randy
Approve
Cliges
Tamius
Randy
Approve
approve
Tamius has already explained very well why this team has to be proposed. If it is successful, then it's game over for the spies. If it fails, at least we will be able to make better sense of the previous events.
Tamius has already explained very well why this team has to be proposed. If it is successful, then it's game over for the spies. If it fails, at least we will be able to make better sense of the previous events.
That makes sense, unless you're a resistance member on the team. Then it's still possible this is an all-resistance team .. but the odds aren't awesome. He has to get the team exactly right, in fact, if he's resistance.
.. but in that case, all of the people not on the team should want to reject this team, too.
Funny, that.
For me the point is moot anyway - my vote doesn't change. ;-)
Yeah, and it didn't make sense in those games either.
I figure that since the choices were tamius and you, and he apparently doesn't trust you, he pushed for that OC to be used on the only alternative - tamius.
Though to be honest, that actually doesn't make sense - if he really didn't trust you having you checked is actually the better choice, imho.
Gotta love how plot cards turn this game into one of logic and reason, rather than one of extravagant claims and misdirection ;-)
Or perhaps this is just misdirection
You do realize that that argument only leads to a good outcome if Aedan is a spy, right? That line of reasoning isn't exactly going to convince Aedan, I reckon ;-)
So if this team succeeds, sure, it's all good. But the odds of that are vanishingly small.
You just can't put together a 3 man team in a 7 player game that doesn't have you on there and expect it to succeed with zero spies. Really.
I would suggest that the next leader proposes a team that has himself on the team .. but .. the next leader is Aedan. Meaning he would have to essentially put forth the exact same proposal. Kinda counterproductive, that.
Aedan, what team would you propose? I suspect it would involve tamius and yourself, given what you claim to know - but who else would you put on there as a third?
The odds are against that being a correct assertion. And in fact, if you believe that, you should reject this team, too.
You noticed that too eh?
Eh. I'm not sure that that strategy will work.
Yeah, it has the team that succeeded plus someone he knows is clear, but you provoke the exact same situation as we have now: Everone who is *not* on that team (or proposed it) is put into a position where they have to reject it, either because by the same logic you employed they have to assume there's a spy in that group of 4 people, OR because they are all spies and therefore are forced to reject it because there are no spies on the team.
The only saving grace is that Aedan could be a spy who speaks the truth about you. In which case he is now forced to put together an all-resistance team just to make himself look credible. I doubt that he would do that.
You're right. In terms of information gained, that is the best team. I just don't think Aedan will propose it, given the situation.
I actually expect him to propose himself, you, and one of the two people from the original mission team. But to be honest, I'm not sure I would accept that team, either. For exactly the same reasons you are stating.
(edit: That's the trouble with catching up to threads that have since moved on - you don't necessarily respond with up-to-date information ;-) )
True.
I'm not going to bother with private voting for this one:
## Approve
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Reject
Unless tamius calling me a spy is a subtle and crafty tactic with ulterior motives, that alone is reason for me to have some misgivings at a stage this early in the game.
Unless tamius calling me a spy is a subtle and crafty tactic with ulterior motives, that alone is reason for me to have some misgivings at a stage this early in the game.
You approve it with aedan on, but reject it with me on?
Bearing in mind that it can't be the case that I am a spy and aedan resistance?