A beheading in a skiff floating in the Channel that requires balance and skill for a swordsman.
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I don't think they were worried too much about it being done well just as long as it was done. And it WAS done exactly like that IRL.A beheading in a skiff floating in the Channel that requires balance and skill for a swordsman.
I felt I had to give Suffolk his due time in the story early on because he was so integral to the start of the whole thing. Tragic, yes. And indeed inevitable. Hey pal...don't lose France! That might have saved him.Pole‘s head feeds the fishes, instead of festooning a pole, but the end is the same. A tragic but inevitable descent.
Well thank you very much!I nominated you and your sibling The Creek Do Rise to be Featured AAR of the Week. So please no sibling fighting.
Sticky indeed. In these times, if the folks at the upper end don't handle things, then those at the lower end will take matters into their own hands. It is often not pretty.A sticky end for Mr Pole. Better or worse than being made to walk the plank? Makes no difference for Jackanapes of course…
Suffolk being captured and killed is of course a massive blow to the court party. And we’re only a few short years away before things should really start to heat up. Time and options running out for Henry? Certainly seems so…
Jack Cade publishing pamphlets 25-odd years before Caxton? Do his powers never cease?John Cade raised a pamphlet in his right hand, “You all do know that I have published this writing! I have made many copies for all to read for I do know you all to be learned and informed.
Very sad. They always do these things on the basis that Evil Councillors are to blame, the King is their friend and will heed the pleas of their disgruntled but loyal subjects. It almost always ends in ruthless suppression, whether deliberate or from apathy and inaction from the monarch. It was still happening in 1905, when Tsar Nicholas’ Bloody Sunday occurred after his reckless indifference saw the same thing happen.Cade flashed a grin, “We do not fight, sir. We will make our demands with strength and the King will have little choice but to grant them.”
He apparently did release a manifesto. I didn't say he had them mass printed. Just that he'd produced copies for others to read. Must have taken quite some time to write them out each time.Well, god love them for trying. I fear this rebellion is going to be about as successful as it was in our world, but anything to stab a fork or two in the side of the royal carcass. Let’s just hope that nice Allen fellow doesn’t get too badly embroiled in things !
Jack Cade publishing pamphlets 25-odd years before Caxton? Do his powers never cease?![]()
I think that is because they don't want to appear treasonous. Just loyal subjects, as you suggest, that wish better government. And they're not wrong. But you are right, it never really turns out well. For either party, frankly.Very sad. They always do these things on the basis that Evil Councillors are to blame, the King is their friend and will heed the pleas of their disgruntled but loyal subjects. It almost always ends in ruthless suppression, whether deliberate or from apathy and inaction from the monarch. It was still happening in 1905, when Tsar Nicholas’ Bloody Sunday occurred after his reckless indifference saw the same thing happen.
Of course, it's a blunder. The one thing one learns as they read about this period is that the person that controls London has a good shot at controlling the crown. You need the people for that, no matter how much gold or soldiers you may have.Margaret’s dismissal of the popular demands is of course abhorrent for all sorts of reasons, but frankly I don’t wonder if it’s something of a blunder as well. Blind loyalty is one thing, but if Henry really had the people behind him that would not be such an insignificant help against enemies closer to home.
Yes, it's the 15th century and indeed, many a person went to the headsman on trumped up charges...but thank God England had laws and those laws were generally respected (even if many tried to circumvent them.) York had done nothing (yet) to be beheaded. Thus Ireland to keep him from Council. Safely away, or so many thought.Why did Henry not take York's head on general principle? York had to be in cabinet or dead not in Ireland.
Thank you for this comment. I've hit exactly the mark I wanted! It seemed a good match, and then...Margaret is a bit one-eyed in this matter (as is her won’t): all steely-eyed about the rebellious peasants, but dissolving into over-indulgent tears about Suffolk for an unseemly long time. The pair of them is a dangerous combination: a dithering weather vane with good intentions v great determination but a bit of a political tin ear. And neither with good judgement. Already in the hand basket and slipping towards Hell ...
It is certainly a bad idea, but no one ever accused Henry or his council of being especially smart.I am doubling down on keeping York off the council and in Ireland is the worst possible idea. In sports, the people's favorite for losing teams is the man on the bench. In Ireland, York can do no wrong but on council he would either solve the problems and boost the king's popularity or become another failed councillor. I wonder if there are six degrees of separation between the Yorkists and the revolts. I am sure that at least one revolter would be willing to link the Duke to the revolts in exchange for royal favor. Laws are written to serve the lawgivers.