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Mettermrck said:
Oh, absolutely, and I only handled it this way thanks to the New Order Events.
Mind, I have my own ideas on what exactly would happen in India if Britain had fallen. I suspect the Indians would simply declared independence, and the vast majority of British troops there would have joined them.
I must say, it gives me warm fuzzy feeling inside every time I see the New Order Events depicted in an AAR. My baby! I'm so proud... 
Drat! I was so hoping that his peacefulness Ghandi would have been mowed down in a hail of German bullets rather than a gas attack. Mayhap the bullets would have prevented his "return" to "free the world"? Oh well, such is life. So where do we go from India?
Draco Rexus said:
Come one. If a crucifixition and a spear through your chest doesn't keep some one down, how could Sarin stop Gandhi?
I'm planning on the Republic of China, then Argentina, and then north.
Well.... I could understand that, if one wants to put Gandhi on that same level, which thankfully ain't the case, eh?
So we're going to the Republic of China and then across the Pac to S.A. and then north, eh? Me thinks that N.A. isn't all that a wonderful place anymore.
I wait with baited breath to see why.
Perhaps the best place to journey in China is the city of Hong Kong, Jewel of the South China Sea. The bustling port city has always been the gateway for Westerners to China, ever since the British took it from the decadent Manchus in the 19th century. The glorious island, where East Meets West, is the perfect place to begin a journey through East Asia, and after landing at the airport, I set off to tour Hong Kong.
The city is, of course, packed with people from all parts of the world, although most of the population is Cantonese. Since it was handed over to the Chinese after the defeat of Japan by Germany, it has been a free port and marketplace for all of East Asia, and the people know it. The people walk fast, talk fast, and live fast; fortunes are won and lost overnight, and it seems as if there’s always some new fad. Like all of China, it as prospered under the rule of the National People’s Party. This nation of eight hundred million is one of the planet’s three great powers, as its neighbors know, and I saw several Chinese warships in the harbor.
And yet, as Liu Han at the National People’s Museum reminded me, it might not have been the case. “Up until German intervention in the Great Patriotic War (The Chinese name for their war against Japan) it seemed as if China might be a vassal of Japan. Although the people had sacrificed greatly to throw out the Imperialists, many traitors had joined with the Japanese, foolishly believing that the Japanese would at least bring peace.”
Liu Han and I had met in front of an exhibit with materials from the war with Japan, including a Messerschmitt jet fighter. As I surveyed the room, I couldn’t help but find it ironic that whereas the Chinese had been fielding hundreds of divisions, it was not until Rommel’s Panzer Armee was transported across the Siberian Railways after the end of the Russian Civil war that the tide turned. But perhaps that was understandable; after all, hordes of men hadn’t helped the Russians against the Reich.
“Still,” I mused, “it must have been a surprise for Chiang to learn that Germany had entered the war against Japan.”
“Not really,” replied Liu Han. “Germany had sent advisors and equipment to the Kuomintang throughout the 1930’s, because of the fear of a Communist takeover of China. And, of course, there was the Japanese action after the death of the Furher.”
I blinked for a moment; it hadn’t been mentioned in any readings I ever did on it. “Which was?”
Liu Han smiled. “The occupation of the East Indies, after the Netherlands surrendered to Germany. Tojo had been counting on a civil war in Germany, and moved to take advantage of it. By the time order had been restored in Germany, it was presented to Germany as a fait accompli. ”
“And I suppose that by the time Germany entered the war with America, the Americans and their puppets occupied the territories?”
Liu Han smiled. “Yes,” she said. “But only briefly, as you might imagine.”
Liu Han showed me around the museum, including some equipment captured from the Communists of and the Manchuko bandits, as well as maps of China. Surprisingly, the maps all displayed China at the center. When I asked Liu Han about this, she smiled.
“For hundreds of years, China was the center of the world. When Europeans were living in timber forts and huts of mud, China had cities with hundreds of thousands of people, paper, and gunpowder. Even when the Mongols conquered China, they chose to rule their vast empire from China, not from Karakorum. Why should China not be the center of the world again? “
“I think you overestimate the strength of China,” I replied politely.
Liu Han shook her head vigorously. “We’ve learned from our mistakes in the past, and adopted the technologies we needed from the west. Since the Patriotic War we have been modernizing and developing as Japan did, and we are finally ready to take our place in the sun again.”
I smiled. “Surely you are away that China is still a poorer country than the nations of Europe?”
”Perhaps, replied Liu Han, “but give us time. We are not Communist Country, to remain mired in poverty and ignorance. We’ve turned, in fifty years, from a nation dependent upon Germany to one of the world’s great powers. Ask yourself where we shall be in fifty years.”
I laughed, amused by her view, and invited her to join me for dinner. She agreed, and we walked to a restaurant several blocks away from the Museum (taking a car in Hong Kong is impossible). While we were walking, I saw the large televisors that seem to cover Hong Kong showing the same scene. When I asked Liu Han about it, she smiled.
“Have you not heard? Japan, Thailand, Vietnam, Korea, the Philippines, and Australia have signed an agreement with China, to unite the economies and militaries of the nations.”
“It is to be called,” she said as she looked up at the screen, “The Union of Eastern Asia.”
The city is, of course, packed with people from all parts of the world, although most of the population is Cantonese. Since it was handed over to the Chinese after the defeat of Japan by Germany, it has been a free port and marketplace for all of East Asia, and the people know it. The people walk fast, talk fast, and live fast; fortunes are won and lost overnight, and it seems as if there’s always some new fad. Like all of China, it as prospered under the rule of the National People’s Party. This nation of eight hundred million is one of the planet’s three great powers, as its neighbors know, and I saw several Chinese warships in the harbor.
And yet, as Liu Han at the National People’s Museum reminded me, it might not have been the case. “Up until German intervention in the Great Patriotic War (The Chinese name for their war against Japan) it seemed as if China might be a vassal of Japan. Although the people had sacrificed greatly to throw out the Imperialists, many traitors had joined with the Japanese, foolishly believing that the Japanese would at least bring peace.”
Liu Han and I had met in front of an exhibit with materials from the war with Japan, including a Messerschmitt jet fighter. As I surveyed the room, I couldn’t help but find it ironic that whereas the Chinese had been fielding hundreds of divisions, it was not until Rommel’s Panzer Armee was transported across the Siberian Railways after the end of the Russian Civil war that the tide turned. But perhaps that was understandable; after all, hordes of men hadn’t helped the Russians against the Reich.
“Still,” I mused, “it must have been a surprise for Chiang to learn that Germany had entered the war against Japan.”
“Not really,” replied Liu Han. “Germany had sent advisors and equipment to the Kuomintang throughout the 1930’s, because of the fear of a Communist takeover of China. And, of course, there was the Japanese action after the death of the Furher.”
I blinked for a moment; it hadn’t been mentioned in any readings I ever did on it. “Which was?”
Liu Han smiled. “The occupation of the East Indies, after the Netherlands surrendered to Germany. Tojo had been counting on a civil war in Germany, and moved to take advantage of it. By the time order had been restored in Germany, it was presented to Germany as a fait accompli. ”
“And I suppose that by the time Germany entered the war with America, the Americans and their puppets occupied the territories?”
Liu Han smiled. “Yes,” she said. “But only briefly, as you might imagine.”
Liu Han showed me around the museum, including some equipment captured from the Communists of and the Manchuko bandits, as well as maps of China. Surprisingly, the maps all displayed China at the center. When I asked Liu Han about this, she smiled.
“For hundreds of years, China was the center of the world. When Europeans were living in timber forts and huts of mud, China had cities with hundreds of thousands of people, paper, and gunpowder. Even when the Mongols conquered China, they chose to rule their vast empire from China, not from Karakorum. Why should China not be the center of the world again? “
“I think you overestimate the strength of China,” I replied politely.
Liu Han shook her head vigorously. “We’ve learned from our mistakes in the past, and adopted the technologies we needed from the west. Since the Patriotic War we have been modernizing and developing as Japan did, and we are finally ready to take our place in the sun again.”
I smiled. “Surely you are away that China is still a poorer country than the nations of Europe?”
”Perhaps, replied Liu Han, “but give us time. We are not Communist Country, to remain mired in poverty and ignorance. We’ve turned, in fifty years, from a nation dependent upon Germany to one of the world’s great powers. Ask yourself where we shall be in fifty years.”
I laughed, amused by her view, and invited her to join me for dinner. She agreed, and we walked to a restaurant several blocks away from the Museum (taking a car in Hong Kong is impossible). While we were walking, I saw the large televisors that seem to cover Hong Kong showing the same scene. When I asked Liu Han about it, she smiled.
“Have you not heard? Japan, Thailand, Vietnam, Korea, the Philippines, and Australia have signed an agreement with China, to unite the economies and militaries of the nations.”
“It is to be called,” she said as she looked up at the screen, “The Union of Eastern Asia.”
interesting, a visit to japan and australia is a must, or at least information about them. i highly doubt australia would submit to effective chinese rule willingly.
True enough, a national China would grow to be a formidable power, as the author will no doubt discover in coming years. It's interesting how early German support for Chiang in the 1930s creates an almost seamless narrative of German-Chinese amity. Any more information on this East Asian Union? It is a union of equals, or is China the de facto leader?
Churchill2004 said:
Who says anything about effective Chinese Rule? Is the European effective French rule?
While in theory a Confederation of Equals, the nation of 800 million people will obviously dominate it.
And yes, Mettermck, a nationalist China would be a behemoth. While probably not as successful per capita as Taiwan was, it doesn't have to be. It merely has to be more successful than the Communist China of our history, which isn't hard. (And even Communist China was pretty strong).
Amazing.
Did you actually joined forces with the Chinese against Japan?
So, The EU and the Asian Union are two of the three world powers, I assume the other world power is somewhere in North America?
Nice ideas, including the fact that they are only 800 MM in stead of 1.200 MM, that probably indicates that they prospered faster and were educated better... or was it thanks to Japanese intervention??
Excellent read.
Did you actually joined forces with the Chinese against Japan?
So, The EU and the Asian Union are two of the three world powers, I assume the other world power is somewhere in North America?
Nice ideas, including the fact that they are only 800 MM in stead of 1.200 MM, that probably indicates that they prospered faster and were educated better... or was it thanks to Japanese intervention??
Excellent read.
elbasto said:
Ya, and it was amazing how easy it was. It was a walkover, and even the Russians managed to get in on the action, by taking Manchuko and Korea.
Moreso China than the EU, but yes, they are two of the three world powers.
Earlier prosperity and better education, and an earlier adoption of a 1 child policy. Of course, that means that China's probably just entering the demographic crunch, as the population dies off faster than it's born, and there are too many elderly.
I suspect that there'd be anaesthesia for the elderly.
Definitely an interesting turn of developments.... I'd say bordering on scary more than just interesting however with the development of this Asian Union. Why do I see the possiblity of a war between the Weltachse and the Asians in the future? Me thinks I see some parallels to a certain novel. Can we say 1984?
So, after dinner with our narrator's lovely Chinese tour guide/propagandist, where are we headed, I've forgotten. :wacko:
So, after dinner with our narrator's lovely Chinese tour guide/propagandist, where are we headed, I've forgotten. :wacko:
This has to be one of the best AAR's I have ever read. It is chillingly realistic. Its a trainwreck, I know it will only get worse for everyone who isn't in Germany, but I can't stop reading! The style was an excellent choice, I love it.
My favorite line
Excellent. I also enjoy how the narrator is so indoctrinated in his belief of German superiority. He blames Germany for nothing (like the destruction of the pyramids).
again, one of the best AAR's I have ever read.
My favorite line
Excellent. I also enjoy how the narrator is so indoctrinated in his belief of German superiority. He blames Germany for nothing (like the destruction of the pyramids).
again, one of the best AAR's I have ever read.
Draco Rexus said:
A world with victorious Reich is only now getting scary? In all seriousness, possibly.
I'll present three choices: Australia, Japan, or South America.
As the news from China and the rest of the Asian nations was heard around the world, the world order seemed to change overnight. It seemed as if the German peace that had settled upon the world might at last be broken. Many knew that there must be some form of retaliation, but it was unknown what form it would take.
Was this, I wondered, how the people of Rome had felt upon hearing of the defeats inflicted on their legions by the Parthians?
It was obvious that the next stop on my visit would have to be Japan. Although not freed from its American occupiers until the end of 1947, I thought visiting the Land of the Rising Sun was appropriate.
The islands have changed little since their occupation under Marshal Rommel. While China developed and caught up with the modern nations of the world, Japan has stagnated, and turned inward on itself after its defeat. Some say that it could not handle the humiliation of seeing their nation occupied by not one, but two European powers; others blame the death of the Emperor in an American bombing raid on Taiwan, after he and the rest of the High Command fled to that Island when the Home Islands and the Asian territories were occupied.
The cause, of course, probably doesn’t matter. What does matter is that as Korea and China boomed in the aftermath of the war, Japan languished. It did recover, but the reparations imposed on it by the Weltachse for the atrocities in China handicapped the island nation’s economy, and today the Japanese are, in a state that Chiang would have found ironic, essentially an economic fief of China.
I wish I could have told you that I had gotten a chance to visit Japan. But, unfortunately, upon landing, I was detained at the air port, despite being a German citizen. The police were, of course, polite, and apologize profusely, but they could not, and did not, let me into Tokyo. Not even the embassy could help me here.
It was therefore, resigned and angry, I took another plane, this one to Santiago, Argentina. As we flew over the Pacific, I saw the sun set behind me.
It occurred to me, however, that in China, the sun was still rising.
Was this, I wondered, how the people of Rome had felt upon hearing of the defeats inflicted on their legions by the Parthians?
It was obvious that the next stop on my visit would have to be Japan. Although not freed from its American occupiers until the end of 1947, I thought visiting the Land of the Rising Sun was appropriate.
The islands have changed little since their occupation under Marshal Rommel. While China developed and caught up with the modern nations of the world, Japan has stagnated, and turned inward on itself after its defeat. Some say that it could not handle the humiliation of seeing their nation occupied by not one, but two European powers; others blame the death of the Emperor in an American bombing raid on Taiwan, after he and the rest of the High Command fled to that Island when the Home Islands and the Asian territories were occupied.
The cause, of course, probably doesn’t matter. What does matter is that as Korea and China boomed in the aftermath of the war, Japan languished. It did recover, but the reparations imposed on it by the Weltachse for the atrocities in China handicapped the island nation’s economy, and today the Japanese are, in a state that Chiang would have found ironic, essentially an economic fief of China.
I wish I could have told you that I had gotten a chance to visit Japan. But, unfortunately, upon landing, I was detained at the air port, despite being a German citizen. The police were, of course, polite, and apologize profusely, but they could not, and did not, let me into Tokyo. Not even the embassy could help me here.
It was therefore, resigned and angry, I took another plane, this one to Santiago, Argentina. As we flew over the Pacific, I saw the sun set behind me.
It occurred to me, however, that in China, the sun was still rising.