Ummm, booted from Nippon after traveling from China? Methinks there's something not quite right there... no matter, what pleasentries can we expect from Santiago?
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hehe, now Japan is the "produce cheap and no quality products" of the Far East?
And Santiago, Argentina? Maybe German intervention proved fatal to Chile in some South American conflict...?
And Santiago, Argentina? Maybe German intervention proved fatal to Chile in some South American conflict...?
Santiago, on the Pacific Coast, is one of the many cities of Argentina that had seen better days. It was taken by Peron during the final phase of the World War, as the invasion of America by Weltachse forces progressed, and was subdued over the next several years. For a time it seemed as if the nation would prosper, as Peron modernized his nation. But the government control of its wheat and beef sales crippled production, as it inefficiently managed the industries. When a military coup exiled Peron in 1955, there was hope that the nation would recover.
Coups and counter coups have led to turmoil and instability, and Argentina, once one of the world’s richest countries, fell by the wayside.
Santiago is a sign of all that is wrong with Argentina; the slums that surround the city are filled with squalor and misery, while the elite with ties to foreigners live in mansions surrounded by concrete walls. There were even a few nationalists, seeking an independent Chile, still about, and while I was there they destroyed the monument to peace between Chile and Argentina, the Christ of the Andes, which was built a century ago.
Perhaps I should have stayed to visit the rest of the country, but in truth there was not much to see. And this is, in any case, a journey to follow the footsteps of the Wermacht. It was time for me to visit the last foe of the Reich. It was time to visit Cuba, the stepping stone to America.
Coups and counter coups have led to turmoil and instability, and Argentina, once one of the world’s richest countries, fell by the wayside.
Santiago is a sign of all that is wrong with Argentina; the slums that surround the city are filled with squalor and misery, while the elite with ties to foreigners live in mansions surrounded by concrete walls. There were even a few nationalists, seeking an independent Chile, still about, and while I was there they destroyed the monument to peace between Chile and Argentina, the Christ of the Andes, which was built a century ago.
Perhaps I should have stayed to visit the rest of the country, but in truth there was not much to see. And this is, in any case, a journey to follow the footsteps of the Wermacht. It was time for me to visit the last foe of the Reich. It was time to visit Cuba, the stepping stone to America.
Ah, fascinating. I imagine communications between Argentina and its Chilean dependency would be somewhat hindered by the mountain terrain? I wonder if that might have contributed to some difficulties in integrating the two countries.
Why does it seem like in this world, the Old World (Europe and Asia) are doing well (all things being relative) while the New World is in the crapper? Oh well.
Soo, what kind of lasting effects did the arrival of the Wehrmacht have on America? And what caused the Reich to come across the Atlantic to take on America in her own back yard? I can only wonder and wait to find out.
Soo, what kind of lasting effects did the arrival of the Wehrmacht have on America? And what caused the Reich to come across the Atlantic to take on America in her own back yard? I can only wonder and wait to find out.
Draco Rexus said:Why does it seem like in this world, the Old World (Europe and Asia) are doing well (all things being relative) while the New World is in the crapper? Oh well.
Soo, what kind of lasting effects did the arrival of the Wehrmacht have on America? And what caused the Reich to come across the Atlantic to take on America in her own back yard? I can only wonder and wait to find out.
Hmm. I think Africans, Indians, and Indonesians would disagree with you. Possibly the Jews, too.
Draco Rexus said:I stand corrected.
But, what about me second question??
You'll see.
The flight from Santiago was perhaps a time of blissful ignorance, as I, and the rest of the plane’s passengers, were unaware of the disaster that had hit southern Asia. We were not yet aware of the scale of the disaster, and of the reports that the Chinese were dispatching a naval task force to the East Indies to “assist in the humanitarian efforts.” Perhaps, given the fact that the disaster had coincided with another rebellion in the Indies, ignorance truly was bliss.
Havana is a charming city, although a bit too touristy. American citizens travel to Havana for fun in the sun, preferring it to the closer beaches in the Confederacy, even after all these years, and it seemed as if more of the Cubans spoke English than Spanish.
Part of me could not help but be amused by the changes that the island had seen over the past one hundred or so years. It went from being a Spanish colony to an American one, finally under Batista gaining full fledged independence and letting the Wermacht base armies for the invasion of America on the island. For a few years, it seemed as if Cuba would be another one of the most important members of the Weltachse, marching towards the future together with Germany and its European allies.
But then, of course, there was the depression that followed in the 50’s, as the Cubans rose up against Batista under Fidel Castro. With what we know now was support from the American president Kennedy, his victory was guaranteed, and the Republic of Cuba joined Kennedy’s North American Free Trade Association in the 1960’s.
Visiting Cuba was a rather unnerving experience. Launches from the rocket facility near Guantanamo took off daily, as the Americans sent their own ships into space, as if to challenge the Luftwaffe for the ultimate high ground. I wonder how seriously the Americans are committed to the World Order. They may claim, after all, to be committed members of the Weltacshe; but surely they harbored some grudge for the millions who died in the World War?
Havana is a charming city, although a bit too touristy. American citizens travel to Havana for fun in the sun, preferring it to the closer beaches in the Confederacy, even after all these years, and it seemed as if more of the Cubans spoke English than Spanish.
Part of me could not help but be amused by the changes that the island had seen over the past one hundred or so years. It went from being a Spanish colony to an American one, finally under Batista gaining full fledged independence and letting the Wermacht base armies for the invasion of America on the island. For a few years, it seemed as if Cuba would be another one of the most important members of the Weltachse, marching towards the future together with Germany and its European allies.
But then, of course, there was the depression that followed in the 50’s, as the Cubans rose up against Batista under Fidel Castro. With what we know now was support from the American president Kennedy, his victory was guaranteed, and the Republic of Cuba joined Kennedy’s North American Free Trade Association in the 1960’s.
Visiting Cuba was a rather unnerving experience. Launches from the rocket facility near Guantanamo took off daily, as the Americans sent their own ships into space, as if to challenge the Luftwaffe for the ultimate high ground. I wonder how seriously the Americans are committed to the World Order. They may claim, after all, to be committed members of the Weltacshe; but surely they harbored some grudge for the millions who died in the World War?
Nice touch with Castro and Kennedy being allies.
Interesting that Castro was never a true communist, more a moderate socialist, if that and it was only the fact the US didn't support him he became friends with Moscow, so I suppose the whole Free Trade Association thing is quite realistic.
Interesting that Castro was never a true communist, more a moderate socialist, if that and it was only the fact the US didn't support him he became friends with Moscow, so I suppose the whole Free Trade Association thing is quite realistic.
Jape said:
well, castro wasn't a communist at first but later was due primarily to the fact that many of his supporters, probably a majority, were communists. plus he needed to be communist to suck up so much to moscow.
edit: confederacy? interesting... also interesting that there are no confederate tourists in cuba, must mean something.
Interesting use of Guantanimo Bay as a space launch site. Makes Cuba that much more strategic. So with Castro victorious, does this mean American influence in Cuba was retained, especially with ties like the sugar plantations or even the Havana casino life? I guess it depends on Castro's mentality based on his early years and what he might owe to the US for helping him win.
Mettermrck said:
well, it's an obvious side effect of Cape Canaveral being in the as-of-yet unexplained Confederacy.
btw, gitmo would have to be expanded quite a bit to be able to be a Cape-style launch facility. as is the US section is only either side of the bay's mouth, not much room at all. at best maybe one launch pad on one side and one small control center on the other. assuming, of course that the entire facility is within the US zone, which if any launch points are outside US territory, why put it at gitmo at all?
Churchill2004 said:
Guantanamo actually is NOT US territory... as we have been informed in connection with other recent issues. But it might be convenient to place the launch facilities near an existing US military base, for security. That would be an issue if Cuba was US allied but in unrest.
The Yogi said:
well, it's US controlled, whatever. Actually, i beleive the situation is similiar to Hong Kong, except non lease (which actually there wasn't one on HK, either) that's just a legality that gitmo is "outside the US" so POWs can be held there. it's ridiculous that they have to be held in gitmo anyway, during WWII we had POW camps all over the US and nobody thought twice about it, since nobody even suggested that the bill of rights and due process applied to non-US citizen POWs during a time of war,and that threat to our freedom never quite materialized from the ACLU
Mettermrck said:
Yes and no. Whiel the US has more influence than OTL, the casino life and the US owned sugar plantations came to an end during the 1940's, for reasons that will still be explained.
From Cuba, of course, the ideal place to begin my journey to the American continent was the area where the Wermacht first waded ashore. I visited, of course, the city of Miami.
The lessons of the beginning of the war between Landon and Von Ribbentrop are the stuff of history; how each nation developed its atomic weapons programs, how the Americans watched growing Axis influence in the Americas with fear, and how Landolf treated the Cuban-German Accords as a declaration of war against America.
And of course, how Landolf initiated the war by sending bombers armed with sunbombs from Iceland against the cities of the Reich. Every child, I thought as I looked at the swampland below the plane, knew Ribbentrop’s promise of an eye for an eye, as the world learned that unlike America, Germany possessed 7 bombs, instead of one. The destruction of Philadelphia, Houston, and, of course, Washington DC, keeping the remaining bombs in reserve. It was, of course, a desire to avoid watching the entire country fall apart, the hundreds of jet fighters that were mobilized to guard Europe, and Ribbentrop’s promise to refrain from further attacks unless provoked, that had prevented Landon from ordering more bombings against the Reich.
But, I thought glumly as the plane touched down, that warning did not extend to American bombings of American cities. What, I wondered, could have possessed Landon to order his air force to destroy New Orleans and Miami, even as the Wermacht was reaching the Great Lakes?
Perhaps, as some claim, he was not rational. If so, it was hard to blame him for that; the destruction of one’s country on such a scale as the Luftwaffe’s retaliation entailed would break many men. But by his own hand, he had broken the United States forever, leaving millions feel betrayed by “another damnyankee”. I listened over the intercom as the plane touched down.
We had arrived in Miami, the tourist capital of the Confederate States of America.
The lessons of the beginning of the war between Landon and Von Ribbentrop are the stuff of history; how each nation developed its atomic weapons programs, how the Americans watched growing Axis influence in the Americas with fear, and how Landolf treated the Cuban-German Accords as a declaration of war against America.
And of course, how Landolf initiated the war by sending bombers armed with sunbombs from Iceland against the cities of the Reich. Every child, I thought as I looked at the swampland below the plane, knew Ribbentrop’s promise of an eye for an eye, as the world learned that unlike America, Germany possessed 7 bombs, instead of one. The destruction of Philadelphia, Houston, and, of course, Washington DC, keeping the remaining bombs in reserve. It was, of course, a desire to avoid watching the entire country fall apart, the hundreds of jet fighters that were mobilized to guard Europe, and Ribbentrop’s promise to refrain from further attacks unless provoked, that had prevented Landon from ordering more bombings against the Reich.
But, I thought glumly as the plane touched down, that warning did not extend to American bombings of American cities. What, I wondered, could have possessed Landon to order his air force to destroy New Orleans and Miami, even as the Wermacht was reaching the Great Lakes?
Perhaps, as some claim, he was not rational. If so, it was hard to blame him for that; the destruction of one’s country on such a scale as the Luftwaffe’s retaliation entailed would break many men. But by his own hand, he had broken the United States forever, leaving millions feel betrayed by “another damnyankee”. I listened over the intercom as the plane touched down.
We had arrived in Miami, the tourist capital of the Confederate States of America.
Great posts, Faelin! Sunbombs... good name. What Reich city was destroyed?
Hong-Kong was ceded to Britain (for 100 years, most of it although a small part had no "expiry date") and for that time was wholly British territory. Guantanamo on the other hand was a military base leased by the USA from Cuba before the Castro takeover, and apparently there were no provisions in the contract for terminating it. I belive the USA annualy pays Cuba a symbolic fee for the lease that Cuba annualy refuses to accept. In any case, Cuba has never ceded (nor the USA claimed) soverignty over Guantanamo.
While I do not want to start a debate over the Guantanamo prisioner issue, the crucial difference with WW2 is that these prisoners are NOT considered POWs, and thus not afforded the rights and protection afforeded to POWs by international treaty. And if they're not POWs, US law applies... in US territory. But one wonders, wouldn't then Cuban law apply in Guantanamo?
Churchill2004 said:well, it's US controlled, whatever. Actually, i beleive the situation is similiar to Hong Kong, except non lease (which actually there wasn't one on HK, either) that's just a legality that gitmo is "outside the US" so POWs can be held there. it's ridiculous that they have to be held in gitmo anyway, during WWII we had POW camps all over the US and nobody thought twice about it, since nobody even suggested that the bill of rights and due process applied to non-US citizen POWs during a time of war,and that threat to our freedom never quite materialized from the ACLU
Hong-Kong was ceded to Britain (for 100 years, most of it although a small part had no "expiry date") and for that time was wholly British territory. Guantanamo on the other hand was a military base leased by the USA from Cuba before the Castro takeover, and apparently there were no provisions in the contract for terminating it. I belive the USA annualy pays Cuba a symbolic fee for the lease that Cuba annualy refuses to accept. In any case, Cuba has never ceded (nor the USA claimed) soverignty over Guantanamo.
While I do not want to start a debate over the Guantanamo prisioner issue, the crucial difference with WW2 is that these prisoners are NOT considered POWs, and thus not afforded the rights and protection afforeded to POWs by international treaty. And if they're not POWs, US law applies... in US territory. But one wonders, wouldn't then Cuban law apply in Guantanamo?
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Faeelin said:
an indipendent confederacy in the 1940's is becoming a more and more frequent occurence in AAR's..i like it, and wonder what caused this trend.
this story is interesting, it makes me wish i could see the world instead of just get these small glimpses at it.