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I made a proposal earlier, and I saw your location distribution proposal as well which looked quite beautiful.
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How is this being handled in terms of map proportion? Venice is extremely small in reality (around 7.6 km², correct me if I'm wrong), and representing it at a visible scale seriously skews the map—unless the entire map is being enlarged. I don’t see any other locations of comparable size being given this-level detail. This creates a false sense of scale and undermines both the authenticity and the overall feel of the map as a historical simulator.
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The location isn't the city of Venice itself but rather a slightly distorted version of the lagoon surrounding it. The scale has not been altered, it doesn't skew the map, it doesn't create a false sense of scale and it doesn't undermine the authenticity or overall feel of the map as a historical simulator.
Having Venice represented as a location connected to land was the big issue, now the game is WAY more historically accurate (and authentic to the dynamics of the subject). No other tiny locations need or deserve the same special treatment, Venice was however a necessary fix.
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You know, the Griko are in a really unique position, because on one hand, they have been under the Greek rite for as long as they have been Christian. And on the other hand, they have always been under the authority of the Bishop of Rome for the entire period they have been Christian. The argument could easily be made that they are the last remnant of the Church before it split into Orthodox and Catholic.
I don't actually think a Orthodox power that takes control over the two Sicilies would convert the Griko, they would already consider them Orthodox.
Thinking this through has made me understand why the are Orthodox in game, I only hope there is contend surrounding them being and having been under the jurisdiction of the Pope.
In most places where Greek Catholics are likely to be found, namely in Ukraine and the Greek islands, I don't think anyone would really push the Latin rite, least not until the Orthodox pops are small enough to ignore.
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Since Mestre wasn't owned by Venice at this point, and would never be administered as part of the Dogado, I'd much prefer if the location that clearly represents the Dogado be named something like 'Caorle'.
I get why Venice was given special treatment, but let’s be honest — it still had to be inflated just to show up on the map. That alone proves it doesn’t scale naturally, unless the entire map was rescaled around it (which I doubt). So even if it's technically “the lagoon,” it’s still a distortion done for usability.
Other historically important micro-regions don't get that kind of visual boost. If we start making one-off exceptions like this, we risk breaking the consistency and integrity of the map. Venice’s influence could be better reflected through mechanics, not forced visibility on a map where it just doesn’t fit without exaggeration.
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Venice needs to be click able, full stop. The only other thing I would accept is a blown up box or circle to show it like you can see on some maps, but I think this is a more elegant solution. It's harder to use that kind of solution for lake texcoco given there are other relevant things nearby.
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1. No
2. The map needs neither consistency nor "integrity", it's a map for a game and should serve that purpose.
No, it could not better be reflected through mechanics - that would basically force them to implement several unique mechanics for a single location when owned by a particular tag. Venice NEEDS to be an island with a strait, and now that is the case.
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This is the map of Italy—take a close look and you’ll see how tiny Venice really is. You have to zoom in way too much just to make it visible to the naked eye. Yet, paradox has now added a large island to represent it, despite repeatedly saying that including Venice would be too immersion breaking and inconsistant. This feels like a step away from solid game design principles and consistency .
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I understand the scale, but the republic was too important in the period to make their island real scale. It would be like impossible to click on or see.
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Yes, I agree.
it will look really "unhistorical" on the map though, with a huge island
@Johan @Pavía Could you please reconsider this? I was really hoping for alternative ways to represent Venice without resorting to such a large island. Take a close look at the map of Italy—you have to zoom in way too much just to see Venice clearly. Adding such a big island contradicts your previous statements about Venice being too small to include .
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It is pretty interesting. I really do hope we will see it in the game, it just adds that extra bit of flavour that makes the game more realistic and immersive.
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How about starting by not forcing in a tiny 6 km² landmass just because it’s Venice, while 100X larger location is too small to be represented?
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- I agree, Hormuz (and Diu or Ternate/Tidore for that matter) should be much closer to the Venice example than to the Tenochtitlan one, at least in the Diu case probably even easier than Venice.
- Tenochtitlan has always been the hardest of the comparable situations to adjust geographically, because it's inland so creatively editing reality has much bigger impact there.
So , I don't know if those others are possible to treat the same way, but showing the impossibility of Tenochtitlan shows nothing for them...
While having Venice drawn out makes it WAY less likely that the issue gets solved in a clean way for all similar locations.
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