Universalis II

[admiral drake]

Toning it down just a bit is better, remember some countries rely on certain goods in a few provinces and it would cripple them more than others if we slash alot.

the only goods that make much of a impact for most of the game is gold, wich won't get nerfed

nobody starts with alot of spices, chinaware, tabacco, sugar ect so nobody should be affected alot by it

 

[admiral drake]

Goods;Base Resource Value;Mine;TradePost;NumOfSlaves
CLO;8;0;0;0
COT;5;0;0;1
FISH;8;0;0;0
FURS;5;0;1;0
GOLD;0;1;0;0
GRAI;8;0;0;0
IVOR;5;0;1;0
METAL;10;1;0;0
NAVS;10;0;0;0
MINERAL;10;1;0;0
ORIENT;5;0;1;0
SALT;5;1;0;0
SLAV;8;0;1;0
SPIC;5;0;1;0
SUG;5;0;0;1
TOB;5;0;0;1
WINE;8;0;0;0
WOOL;5;0;0;0
COFFEE;5;0;0;0
TEA;5;0;0;0
NOTHING;0;0;0;0

i'd suggest this tbh
all the goods that get alot of demand tones down the most
all the goods that i put at 8-10 are mostly affecting europe or are generally low on demand

 

[unmerged(95243)]

is there a roster aleady?

 

[Barca]

I still think the best way to nerf trade is to lower TE across the board. That way production income is unaffected.

 

[Aladar]

Level;Cost;Efficiency;
0;1419;20;Base level
1;1425;30;
2;1475;40;
3;1500;50;
4;1540;55;
5;1600;60;
6;1640;65;
7;1700;70;
8;1750;80;
9;1850;90;
10;9999;100;Supa powa

This is the normal trade efficiencies, but i recon that we could lower then so one would never reach 100%.

The question is, how much to lower then. In the last game the income from trade in 1780 was about 21.000d, while tax income was only around 9.000d and production around 17.000d.

If we lower the TE with 40% it would look like this:

Level;Cost;Efficiency;
0;1419;12;Base level
1;1425;18;
2;1475;24;
3;1500;30;
4;1540;34;
5;1600;36;
6;1640;40;
7;1700;42;
8;1750;48;
9;1850;54;
10;9999;60;Supa powa

So that's a good 8.000 - 10.000 tradeincome we remove, but it's still worth trading as the income is higher than that from taxes alone.

 

[unmerged(34338)]

I still think the best way to nerf trade is to lower TE across the board. That way production income is unaffected.

But this will affect prov income of course.

 

[Mats_SX]

But this will affect prov income of course.

I think that may be inevitable, as reducing goods values will do this too.

 

[Barca]

Any idea when you plan on starting this game Aladar? Are you guys planning on finishing Universalis I first? And have we decided on which day we're going to play on?

If we do decide to edit the trade.csv, I think it should be scaled so it's a little better early. Something like this:

Level;Cost;Efficiency;
0;1419;15;Base level
1;1425;25;
2;1475;30;
3;1500;34;
4;1540;38;
5;1600;42;
6;1640;46;
7;1700;50;
8;1750;54;
9;1850;58;
10;9999;65;Supa powa

In my experience trade isn't that powerful early, and only becomes ridiculous lategame with higher TE, more provinces and more demand. I guess it depends on what tech level we're starting at, but trading with under 20 TE is basically a waste of time.

 

[unmerged(95243)]

i haven't been to active on the boards recently, but why are we downgrading the wealth of the map again? Is it to not reach maximum tech to early? If that's the case, won't putting us all in Muslim techgroup suffise?

 

[Mats_SX]

i haven't been to active on the boards recently, but why are we downgrading the wealth of the map again? Is it to not reach maximum tech to early? If that's the case, won't putting us all in Muslim techgroup suffise?

To make trade less overpowered.

 

[admiral drake]

so when are we signing up , when are we starting and what day ?

 

[Aladar]

Game day will be tuesday 19.00 - 23.00. Starting tuesday if we can make it.

Will post a new thread for it.