I believe that the rules then state you need to move the download, since the download page isn't allowed to be searchable.
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Can't they already that with off site wikis like the M&T one?
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Yes, of course.
But User Mod, Tech Support etc. forums are restricted, whereas the wiki (explaining features for vanilla and potentially for mods) is unrestricted. So just asking myself how Paradox is thinking? Why not keep the wiki restricted as well, or is that against the whole idea of a wiki? Don't know myself.
But should we as modders be expected to post guides on an open website (potentially to pirates), when we are restricted in most other respects and access to User Mod forum is restricted?
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As far as I know those restrictions are there so that PI staff doesn't spend time trying to help pirates; who might have some very obscure problems stemming from it being a pirate copy.
As far as I am aware you aren't expected to post guides. Though if you make a wiki/have guides on a non PI site already I don't see the difference between having it there and having it on the wiki.
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No, our wiki external has no direct download links, only links to this forum, on which the actual links are posted.
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Apologies, I am sloppy in my writing. I didn't mean that Paradox is expecting us to post guides.
My question basically boils down to the following: why is the Paradox wikipedia open? Since it is where we are invited to post mod guides, info, etc. (in case we decide ourselves to post guides).
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Do you want instances of external linkages reported here, then? Because there's a fair bit of coordinated moderating that needs to be done with just Reddit alone if that rule's to be fully enforced.
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I meant that the guides are already free for all unless they are posted in the mod pages. Or the M&T wiki just contains links to threads in the EU4 user mods forum?
If you see a link to an external forum you are to report it, since unless it has been approved---which you cannot know---it is against the roles.
Or you are speaking of the download links being searchable? If so then I don't see why people shouldn't be made aware of that if it is discovered.
What do you mean by this; reddit isn't part of PI, so they cannot moderate there.
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That, and there's no effort used/wasted directly helping pirates on a wiki, which can easily be the case on a forum.
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Especially if said forum is a tech support or bug reports forum.
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I just want to voice my utter displeasure in github getting banned; Github was crucial both the creation and distribution of the After the End mod for CK2. The github system, which allows creators to add content to the creation piece by piece, and users to download it instantly, streamlined the distribution in a way that made it extremely simple for everyone involved. Going back to having to re-upload the entire 1GB mod every time you add or remove something from the mod is tripping and falling back into 2006. Yaaaaay, it's so fun to have to sit through a million mediafire uploads. Github is a marvellous innovation that's getting ousted in a move the Irish would describe as "cutting off your nose to spite your face". That's not even getting into the fact pretty much any mod can and will be redistribute even if the mod makers actively discourage it, as in 2015 any Joe Blow can download it from a Paradox approved source, put it on a file share site, mention it on Reddit or wherever, and anyone using google is going to find that post and have instance access.
The url for the download also changes each time, unlike the persistence url for the github, meaning redoing numerous links and any links externally linked becoming obsolete.
The entire thing is just a headache; and it's not even a fair one: AGOT gets to "grandfather" in their external forum and moddb setup, while this ban on github is only recent and yet After the End is not given the same right of grandfathering it over.
The url for the download also changes each time, unlike the persistence url for the github, meaning redoing numerous links and any links externally linked becoming obsolete.
The entire thing is just a headache; and it's not even a fair one: AGOT gets to "grandfather" in their external forum and moddb setup, while this ban on github is only recent and yet After the End is not given the same right of grandfathering it over.
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I'd like to add that having a Git repository publicly accessible to all our users is an invaluable part of our development process. It lets people try out features and updates that are in development and give feedback quickly, allowing us to put out releases with more balance and less bugs. The fewer people use the Git version, the longer it takes to discover bugs, fix them, and see if the fixes work. It also allows users to take a more active part in development by making pull requests. It's in Paradox's best interest for modders to put out high-quality mods, and banning Github seems to go against that.
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Of course it's fair that you do not get to use GitHub for distribution anymore if other mods are not allowed to use it for distribution either. Rules have to apply to all mods, otherwise it creates disharmony. It would be unfair if some mods get to use GitHub for distribution while others don't
It's problematic that dos like AGOT get special treatment for example with ModBB. One can only hope that all rules will someday apply to all mods.
@delpiero1234 why do you think that pirates using the tech support or bug reports doesn't use PI resources?
But related to this discussion; delpiero said earlier on this page that having tech support and bug reports open to all doesn't mean allocating resources to pirates, so I am asking him why he thinks that.
He might just mean making it readable for all, rather than letting anyone post.
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On topic of Wiki pages, I know it is possible to create new pages without express permission but is there anyone I need to ask or inform before starting to creating a new page for my own mod?