I agree with Meneth… i've been asked to remove the download links from our mod's wiki at the request of a demi-mod to abide by the rules. Now i hear that some can circumvent the rules somehow ? Sounds mighty unfair, how ever you put it.
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I agree with Meneth… i've been asked to remove the download links from our mod's wiki at the request of a demi-mod to abide by the rules. Now i hear that some can circumvent the rules somehow ? Sounds mighty unfair, how ever you put it.
Yeah.
To make a comparison, it'd be like a city introducing a ban on littering, but still allowing anyone who was littering before the ban to continue littering.
When rules are introduced it is the norm that they don't have retroactive effect. However, letting someone persist in an action that now breaks the rule is not the norm in any legal system for good reason. There's often some sort of adjustment period of course, but in the context of mods that would simply mean having to move away from ModDB next major release, but being allowed to keep the current link to ModDB up until that time.
My mods would have been on ModDB long ago if I knew that was actually accepted at the time despite Paradox' ban on external links, and especially those to any public forum. Yet now that's banned, while there are still mods on there thanks to having the audacity to venture into that grey area in the past.
Not really since they cannot post links to the modDB site.
Also Grandfather exemptions will eventually disapear or become irelevant, since people will move on and new games will be released.
For instance No EU4 mods have exemptions for anything, and neither will an Mod for any future game.
Also Grandfather exemptions will eventually disapear or become irelevant, since people will move on and new games will be released.
For instance No EU4 mods have exemptions for anything, and neither will an Mod for any future game.
In my PM to you I showed two CKII mods that both link to ModDB from the OPs of their forum threads. Neither link was a direct download link; instead they both led to ModDB download pages from which the entire ModDB site is readily available.
I have to assume that means their next releases cannot link to ModDB?
They should not be linking to pages on that site even now.
Unaproved Third party links violate our terms of service and always have.
I will direct my staff to investigate and contact the mod makers.
Unaproved Third party links violate our terms of service and always have.
I will direct my staff to investigate and contact the mod makers.
Yet they do...
And, nevertheless, someone coming on ModDB will be able to download from there.
That they "eventually" disappear is still unfair to other modders. I get harsh words from players for removing the download link from our mod's wiki, following a message from a demi-mod. But apparently demi-mods needn't respect the rules...
But there are EUIV mods on ModDB, and a hefty list of CK2 mods that i can't believe all are grandfathered.
It's tough to feel penalised because we follow the rules, when some people, including staffers can disregard it.
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I don't really understand what the rule is trying to obtain. Is it to make the mods exclusive to those with access to EU4 mod forum? If so it is highly unrealistic as there are always mirrors somewhere...
If other reason, I don't see why you ban torrents.
If other reason, I don't see why you ban torrents.
Well no EUIV mods should be on Moddb and advertised here.
Feel free to notify the moderating staff of any such.
I agree that it is a bit unfair, but that is always the case when things are grandfathered, it would also have been unfair to make them delete external forums and the like once the rules were formally codefied.
Feel free to notify the moderating staff of any such.
I agree that it is a bit unfair, but that is always the case when things are grandfathered, it would also have been unfair to make them delete external forums and the like once the rules were formally codefied.
Well, Lex retro non agit, sure. But you can always forbid them from posting new versions on other sites (modDB). Not that I agree with this rule, but I'd interpret it that way if I were making the calls.
I repeat my question: Can we post torrents of the mods? It is a perfectly fine method of sharing content, not requiring a hosting site (which cost money, especially for bigger mods requiring more bandwidth). If you want to confine the distribution of the mod with this method to this forum (which is perfectly understandable in the light of the rules in the OP) you can always enforce the torrent being password protected, with the password being distributed only here.
May I ask why? The argument about it being a virus magnet and used for illegal content is really weak. It's like disallowing kitchen knives cause you can kill somebody with it. And every download is a potential virus magnet...
It may be a week argument for you because you are experienced at it, we have to allow for our members to be at all skill levels.
Not to mention torrents involvement in stealing IP.
Not to mention torrents involvement in stealing IP.
Okay I understand. I mean it doesn't convince me, but it is a matter of ideology I guess, no point in arguing here. Thank you for answering.
I'd really appreciate if some clarification and actions were taken in the modDB cases. The rules must be equal to all.
For the notification, i happen not to agree on snitching... I mean it's easy for the staff (and it is their "job", not mine) to look for those mods on ModDB or other sites, and enforce the rules. But, of course, it is always those who obey the rules that end up paying for the others and being the losers...
"Grandfathering" is possibly the worst thing... as it causes resentment, between modders and against Paradox. Officially, ModDB was already off limits at least in EUIII, but now even some staffers have CK2 mods there. But, of course, it is always those who obey the rules that end up paying for the others and being the losers.
I am and have always been a strong supporter of Paradox, to a point i can be called a fanboy... I've stopped using an outside forum that ended up being used by more than just those who helped me because it was made clearly outside the rules, i removed a download link when prompted by demi-mod, i asked for authorization for a wiki-like google site for MEIOU... But i lack the time to be demi-mod or any other staffer position, so i don't get any excuses, just the mad comments of the players who lose access to my mod... Too bad my mod isn't as popular as GoT... But, of course, it is always those who obey the rules that end up paying for the others and being the losers...
Sorry you feel that way, We act on complaints. We do not have the staff to actively go out and search every site on the internet for user mods that might be published there. same thing in a retail store if you see someone shoplift an item that you are paying for.
Much like anything you can get away with it right up to the moment you get caught.
Much like anything you can get away with it right up to the moment you get caught.
Well, you now know there are mods on ModDB breaking the rules...
... and doesn't answer to the fact that a demi-mod isn't asked to show the example by removing his CK2 mod from ModDB, despite the fact you yourself stated clearly for EUIII mods that ModDB was offlimits.
So, if i find a way to discreetly add the link somewhere, i'm okay until i'm snitched out ? Too bad i don't have the connections to be protected from it...
I might go and put M&T on ModDB as it seems you are blind to what happens there...
err, making statements like that is not the way to try and make your point with me.
I already told you the procedure to follow if you see a user mod breaking the rules. Report it to a Moderator of the sub forum here that is involved with the game.
Please give links to where the user mod is being distributed on that site, as already mentioned we do not have the resources to go searching for them.
I already told you the procedure to follow if you see a user mod breaking the rules. Report it to a Moderator of the sub forum here that is involved with the game.
Please give links to where the user mod is being distributed on that site, as already mentioned we do not have the resources to go searching for them.
How many demi-mods does this forum have?
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PI hasn't hired a police force to hunt down prohibited links/behaviour - if they had, I would see tons of threads complaining about tyranny.
Well there seems to be a bit more than just Moddb "grandfathered" rights or ?
Or are Wordpress Blogs also grandfathered ? : http://ck2agot.wordpress.com/
There is NOT even an link to the Submodforum here : http://ck2agot.wordpress.com/links/
(Screenshot added from today , just in case some clever one will add a link now, as it is reported here):
But everybody knows the AGOT mod is important for Praradox , as its very often mentioned in Interviews etc by officials
So we are all equal here in the forum , beside some "important" modders are more equal ...
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I may have gone too far with that statement, i agree... but it is out of frustration.
I sent you links by PM. But i did state here it was the mod sections of CK2 and of EUIV on ModDB. It would take all of 2 minutes to find the mods with this information.
Each time i've erred on the lines of the rules, i've been policed... I'm not calling "tyranny", merely here "injustice".