Vicky Aberration

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What about a Napoleon III type scenario, with the conditions being such that if a certain party is in power, and a specific number of provinces controlled (presuming at least some expansion has taken place), it is possible to create a constitutional monarchy, obtaining relations bonus at the cost of increased POP militancy? The scenario could be something like presuming a descendant of the former ruling family playing the politics game and ascending to the leading role in the republic - president, prime minister, consul, or whatever the name of the role is. At that stage, with sufficient popular support, such a leader could press the point that constitutional monarchy is rather acceptable, and with good track record there is little reason why the Empire cannot be restored peacefully (although should a liberal party come to power, there should be a choice to go back to old republican government).

I never said anything about a massive civil war, just some aristocratic coup attempts, and small revolts, and perhaps an event, where there is a possibility an emperor is crowned, a gesture especially against still moslem turks in eastern Anatolia. Most greek probably do not care if they share power with slavs, turks and armenians, but there probably will be a small group of nationalists that could ally with the aristocrats in their coup attempts. If the empire is re-established there should be attempts to re-establish the republic too, and perhaps a military threat from the imperial army in the early 1900s to establish a military dictature, with perhaps an emperor and perhaps not an emperor as symbolic leader.

 

[SethEng]

What about a Napoleon III type scenario, with the conditions being such that if a certain party is in power, and a specific number of provinces controlled (presuming at least some expansion has taken place), it is possible to create a constitutional monarchy, obtaining relations bonus at the cost of increased POP militancy? The scenario could be something like presuming a descendant of the former ruling family playing the politics game and ascending to the leading role in the republic - president, prime minister, consul, or whatever the name of the role is. At that stage, with sufficient popular support, such a leader could press the point that constitutional monarchy is rather acceptable, and with good track record there is little reason why the Empire cannot be restored peacefully (although should a liberal party come to power, there should be a choice to go back to old republican government).

That was exactly what I've been thinking. I'd suggest the Reactionary, but perhaps the Conservatives too. Or perhaps there could be an event, and the Conservatives could have the choice to support restoring the monarchy or not, meaning it wouldn't be impossible to do and the player would have the choice, which is ultimately the most important thing.

 

[yourworstnightm]

Sounds good to me, there should be a way to restore the empire.

 

[SethEng]

Oh, certainly, but it has to be a good reason. I'd suggest the reactionaries, and not so much the conservatives, unless Byzantium starts with a heavily Liberal population, which is probably should. If it has universal sufferage, it'll be too easy to end up Conservative, and if the monarchy is stuck with conservatives, then that makes it almost a sure thing, when it should be.

The reactionaries want to restore the monarchy, the Conservatives probably just want to keep the Status Quo. A Civil War should only be triggered if that happens. Aberration's design philosophy should be the opposite of VIPs, the player should have choices and not be shoehorned into things like Wars. Logical reasons for everything and as it stands, a Civil War shouldn't happen right off the bat, because there's no real impetus for it. Byzantium is still a large nation, that has managed to have secure borders against the Caliphate and Super-Hungary, both who probably have no love for Byzantium and the dangerous ideas that the democracy would be spreading. They're obviously a nation that's strong enough to hold their own borders against two larger powers. A concerted effort could probably break Byzantium's armies, but chances are the enemies of Hungary or the Caliphate would choose then the strike.

Of course, we should be giving other nations the same kind of attention that Byzantium is getting. I'm still for Swabian culture for Swabia, but I suppose we all have to have some pet issues.

 

[yourworstnightm]

If there's a civil war in Byzantium; Hungary, Kaliphate and Ukraine should be able to meddle in the situation. I don't think there should be a swabian culture. Swabia should be involved in the German unification process.

 

[SethEng]

If there's a civil war in Byzantium; Hungary, Kaliphate and Ukraine should be able to meddle in the situation. I don't think there should be a swabian culture. Swabia should be involved in the German unification process.

Well, the Swabians would still be Germans and involved in any German unification process, I mean, all you'd have to do is give Germany North German, South German, and Swabian cultures and you're set. Modern Swiss Germans and Alsatians speak a dialect of German that's related to what the old Swabians spoke, not modern German. Plus, in EUII Abe, Swabia is Protestant and typically at odds with South German and Catholic Bavaria. The cultures are going to evolve in different directions. Plus having the Swabians as their own culture would mean that if the Bavarians conquered Swabia, they get that production penalty, if the Swabians are South German then they don't. They would suggest that the Swabians would be happy with being ruled by Bavaria, even if Bavaria conquered them.

Really, this doesn't cause any trouble to German Unification, since you could just add the Swabian culture to the Unified Germany. There's no problem with that. It just seems that there's more differences between the Swiss Germans and Alsatians, who would become the Swabians, then they are between the North and South Germans. And we're not going to have the Swiss.

It's not going to affect German Unification, because you can add Swabian Culture to the Unified German, so that's really a non-issue. This just makes it more difficult for Bavaria to simply conquer all of South Germany. There's really no reason not to do it.

I expected more objections over having a separate culture for the Germans in Courland than for the Swabians. Although on the Germans in Courland, which sounds better Teutonic or Kurlander. Teutonic does have a connection to the Teutonic Order, but not all the Germans there were part of the order, and the culture does represent a sort of Germanic-Baltic cultural mix, so Kurlander might be better.

 

[borg1980]

Something new about it?

 

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Sorry, been awfully busy with first HOI2 and now CK. o I'll see to this again, when it gets quieter on CK.

 

[Symmetry]

Well, we should have plenty of cultures to borrow then. The New England area colony is bugging me though. There's few historical names to draw off of for it, since it's a mix of French, Italians, and Germans. The obvious one would be New Helvatia, after Switzerland...but that doesn't exist in Abe. The only other thing that united French, Germans, and Italians was the old kingdom of the Franks at its height. Although you might be able to go with New Lotharingia, since that was located between France and Germany. If it had Dutch instead of Italians, that would probably be perfect.

What was the name of the explorer who discovered the area? I mean, we have lots of things named Columbia in the US and there's another country by that name in South America, so that would be one obvious solution. The names that the previous inhabitants gave the place could also work well.