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Just what the hell is happening to my heirs?As Bosporan Kingdom I've had 4 sons,all of them died one by one after declared heir apparent(all of them very young).Then my relative became heir apparent and he kicked the bucket after few years.His sons shared the same faith(again,very young).My strategos(although old) got in line and he died too.I don't believe this is just misfortune :wacko:

I don't know if increased mortality rate is WAD for heirs but even it is,this really broke my game beyond repair.I've had a civil war because of this and I'm entering into another one despite having a excellent and popular ruler.I've also read in another thread someone else had a similar situation as Sparta.

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I'm not sure whether what you're seeing is WaD or not, but by no means was losing 4 sons to plague or whatever unusual, nor is a civil war caused by lack of an onbious heir. I;ll wait to see if others are seeing this on a regular basis.

BTW can you register your copy of VV here please?
 
i noticed the same while playing egypt.

all of the 8 (!) sons and daughters of the lustful pharao died within their first 2 years. no one died by an event nor assasination.

so there is no chance to establish a dynasty. :(
 
Same here, all my children die early, or for that matter anyone who becomes heir dies. This has happened to me in my makedonia game for every single heir, their automatically killed off, by 'natural causes'. Anyway, the other thing I noticed is this: "people doubt my virtues" was an event that fired on the same day, thats suppousedly in my nation, but I didn't see it? So I assume some char killed my char, also how can this be WAD? All heirs are supposed to die within 1 month of becoming heir?
 
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euphorist said:
Just what the hell is happening to my heirs?As Bosporan Kingdom I've had 4 sons,all of them died one by one after declared heir apparent(all of them very young).Then my relative became heir apparent and he kicked the bucket after few years.His sons shared the same faith(again,very young).My strategos(although old) got in line and he died too.I don't believe this is just misfortune :wacko:

I don't know if increased mortality rate is WAD for heirs but even it is,this really broke my game beyond repair.I've had a civil war because of this and I'm entering into another one despite having a excellent and popular ruler.I've also read in another thread someone else had a similar situation as Sparta.

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I've had some weirdness with lifespans (including the frequent heir death you state), but chalked it up to something screwy with the random seed they use to generate the death algorithm since it stopped happening after about 490 AUC. Having folks in what is today Scotland living past 90 was impressive; my Methuselan general commanded the same army for sixty-six years!
 
Egypt, had 3 sons. All kicked bucket in a relatively small timeframe, before growing up. Then had a brother as apparent hair, and surprise- he was killed. Then changed the succession law so that my daughter can inherit- and she was killed within a few month since she became a hair.

So yea, i think it's somehow a bug.
 
This is the culprit.

Code: 
#promote your way up the succession order

character_event = {

	id = 7515
	
	trigger = {
		has_objective = obj_become_ruler
		is_primary_heir = no
		wealth = 25
		country = {
			government = monarchy 
		}
	}

	
	mean_time_to_happen = {
		months = 60
		modifier = {
			traits = ambitious
			factor = 0.5
		}
		modifier = {
			traits = content
			factor = 1.5
		}
		modifier = {
			prominence = 90
			factor = 0.9
		}
		modifier = {
			prominence = 80
			factor = 0.9
		}
		modifier = {
			prominence = 70
			factor = 0.9
		}
		modifier = {
			NOT = { prominence = 35 }
			factor = 1.1
		}
		modifier = {
			NOT = { prominence = 25 }
			factor = 1.1
		}
		modifier = {
			NOT = { prominence = 15 }
			factor = 1.1
		}
		modifier = {
			loyalty = 90
			factor = 1.1
		}
		modifier = {
			loyalty = 80
			factor = 1.1
		}
		modifier = {
			loyalty = 70
			factor = 1.1
		}
		modifier = {
			NOT = { loyalty = 35 }
			factor = 0.9
		}
		modifier = {
			NOT = { loyalty = 25 }
			factor = 0.9
		}
		modifier = {
			NOT = { loyalty = 15 }
			factor = 0.9
		}
		modifier = {
			from_ruler_family = no
			factor = 0.5
		}
	}

	title = "EVTNAME7515"
	desc = "EVTDESC7515"	

	option = {
		name = "EVTOPTA7515"
		wealth = -25
		random_list = {
			50 = {
				country = {
					random_character = {
						limit = {
							is_primary_heir = yes
						}
						death = yes
					}
				}
			}
			25 = {
				country = {
					random_character = {
						limit = {
							is_primary_heir = yes
						}
						add_trait = maimed
					}
				}
			}
			25 = {
				prominence = -10
				loyalty = -10
				popularity = -10
			}
		}
	}
}
 
This needs to be tweaked in my opinion. Having 4 children all die within about 6 years of each other is just silly. A poster above states he had 8 die within 2 years! At least give us a pop-up or something to let us know who is betraying us so we can deal with them accordingly.
 
So quick fix = delete this event?
 
The basic idea is to represent stability issues, for monarchies - to raise the risk of civil wars. Republics have their own set of issues, leading to civil wars - monarchies have to worry about succession.

A simple and effective way to get rid of such issues is to actually assassinate pretenders (which implies other risks) - that is to say, those characters whose ambition is to become "Ruler".

Sadly, imprisonment still has no effects on the event, and the mean time to happen is rather on the short side (as is the wealth requirement indeed).

In short, the event has been reported as a bug, to be tweaked.
 
Fix
Here's my unofficial fix to VV problem. Please note that I don't have VV, so report any problems ;)
 
objective events.txt :)

I settled on making the mean time to happen 10x higher, but it still doesn't fix it entirely, so the wealth amount probably should be changed too.
 
I too have encountered this problem with my heirs dropping like flies on a cold day.

It was also mentioned that people have encountered unusually long life spans and again I have encountered this. I had one tribal chief live to see his 75th year in his position. He was 93 when he died. Wasn't the average life span for a ruler at the time like 60-70 years old?
 
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