still no released?
It takes longer than expected now that we want to add the right cultures, but we just might release a version with the old ones and the new religions.
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It takes longer than expected now that we want to add the right cultures, but we just might release a version with the old ones and the new religions.
About the Dari/Farsi confusion, let me point out that the difference between the two is something which grew over the centuries, and Dari is in fact currently viewed as an archaic form of Farsi by Farsi-speakers. So in the EU2 timeframe the difference would be even smaller than percepted today. Contemporary Dari is the language of Persian literature of the age.
Would it be possible for you, to consider to make a more detailed map of east asia?
Espacially Japan and Corea need more provinces to make a game with Nippon more playable
But I thank you for your hard work, and I'm sure I'll enjoy it anyway.
THX
Espacially Japan and Corea need more provinces to make a game with Nippon more playable
But I thank you for your hard work, and I'm sure I'll enjoy it anyway.
THX
Chinese culture
1819, 653 and 655 should be Wu culture (Shanghainese, Ningbonese, Suzhounese), technically, 1819 should be either Han or Wu. (since it takes up much of Wu-speaking Jiangnan, might as well make it Wu, even though Nanjing dialect itself is not a dialect of Wu, but a dialect of Jianghuai Mandarin.)
1566 and 658 is Xiang-speaking territory (Hunanese).
1567 and 1455 are Hakka (not exactly a regional group, but a distinct Han subethnic group) and Gan (Jiangxinese) speaking areas, with a chance to expand into 689 and 657. For simplicity, just name it Hakka.
656 should be Min culture (Hokkien/Fukienese), with a chance to expand into 689, 659 and 660. (historical migrations of Hokkiens into Guangdong, Hainan, and Taiwan)
Territories of Cantonese (Yue) culture should be 657, 1817, 1808, 1807, and 659. Their culture can expand into 651 and 1446.
Cantonese should be renamed to Yue. Cantonese are also Han Chinese.
Otherwise, just change 'cantonese' into 'southern han' and 'han' into 'northern han', or just eliminate the Cantonese culture and replace it with Han.
1819, 653 and 655 should be Wu culture (Shanghainese, Ningbonese, Suzhounese), technically, 1819 should be either Han or Wu. (since it takes up much of Wu-speaking Jiangnan, might as well make it Wu, even though Nanjing dialect itself is not a dialect of Wu, but a dialect of Jianghuai Mandarin.)
1566 and 658 is Xiang-speaking territory (Hunanese).
1567 and 1455 are Hakka (not exactly a regional group, but a distinct Han subethnic group) and Gan (Jiangxinese) speaking areas, with a chance to expand into 689 and 657. For simplicity, just name it Hakka.
656 should be Min culture (Hokkien/Fukienese), with a chance to expand into 689, 659 and 660. (historical migrations of Hokkiens into Guangdong, Hainan, and Taiwan)
Territories of Cantonese (Yue) culture should be 657, 1817, 1808, 1807, and 659. Their culture can expand into 651 and 1446.
Cantonese should be renamed to Yue. Cantonese are also Han Chinese.
Otherwise, just change 'cantonese' into 'southern han' and 'han' into 'northern han', or just eliminate the Cantonese culture and replace it with Han.
If you make some proposals for changes then I just might do those.
At first I want to thank you that you give me your attention
I've uploaded an updated map of Korea and Japan. I've also included the name of the cities of those provinces(BUT I'm not able to garantee the right names..due of the lack of time to research.sry).
Additionally, this pic shows how it approximally would look like on your existend map.
I'm very interested in Japan, history(especially the Sengoku Jidai era).
If a map, with enough and appropriate provinces comes out, I'm planning to add some new "countries"(clans of the sengoku era) and events to make it a little more realistic when you play japan or any of the japansese warlords.
I don't know, if it's really possible to create a map like this..but if so I would be very glad.
Paradox typically only creates forums once there is a sizable following / sizable group of people working on the project. I believe the EEP had a fair amount of posts in the scenarios forum before it was granted its own subforum.
it should be Chuang in Guangxi but not Cantonese.
the Wu or Min or Hakka should be all include in southern han if there will be a culture named like it
and in 1419,most of people live in Hu-nan should be Miao ethnic group
what you say is the status likely belong to modern days.
in 1419,it is different.At least there must be no Shanghainese-culture like today before 1840.
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Chuang is ?
Iljitsch Ulja could you upload your images another place? I can't download them there..
Iljitsch Ulja could you upload your images another place? I can't download them there..
I'll try i, hopefully it will work
Korea
Japan+Korea
On your map it would look, something like this
If you want, I could prepare another scheme, with less provinces.
But Japan and Korea needs more provinces, otherwise it's just impossible to reconstruct those countries in an historical way(even with events..).
P.S.I'm sorry, if the names on the map are to tiny..
I can hand in the names of the cities later if you want
Korea
Japan+Korea
On your map it would look, something like this
If you want, I could prepare another scheme, with less provinces.
But Japan and Korea needs more provinces, otherwise it's just impossible to reconstruct those countries in an historical way(even with events..).
P.S.I'm sorry, if the names on the map are to tiny..
I can hand in the names of the cities later if you want
Yes less provinces would be needed compared to these maps. But the best thing is changing the borders where the nations split in history everything else is less important.
But the best thing is changing the borders where the nations split in history everything else is less important.
It's called Zhuang, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhuang_people
For historical purposes, the Zhuang were seen almost as ethnic Han at the time, and their Tai language could be easily misunderstood as a Sinitic language, as the Zhuang had a Sinitic script called sawndip. (This was especially the case during the Taiping Rebellion, which takes place after EUII/III and FTG.) Even when some people listen to videos of Zhuang, there is a superficial similarity between Zhuang, Hakka and Yue.
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Shanghainese culture today is derived from Wu culture, so there was no Shanghainese culture until the 19th century. Most of what is now Shanghai at the time, in 1419 was a culture and language identical to that of Suzhou. Shanghai was just a small, sleepy fishing village near the Yangtze River. The real cultural power near Shanghai at the time was Suzhou.
Min, Yue and Hakka culture should be expanded through migration events.
Min culture would expand to coastal southern Zhejiang (but would not affect the dominant Wu culture), Leizhou (in the Leizhou peninsula), Taiwan, and Hainan (then called Qiongzhou/Qiongshan) in the events of the game. Min culture already exists in most of Fujian and Chaoshan (in Guangdong).
Yue culture would expand westward to Guangxi.
Hakka culture would expand to northern Guangdong, and Taiwan. (its original demesne is in much of Jiangxi) But I am currently wondering if Hakka culture represents both Hakka and Gan, or whether Gan culture should take its place. Even though Hakka is derived from Southern Gan dialects, despite the fact that Hakka are quite distinct from other Han living in the area.
Hakka culture would be dominant in northeastern Guangdong after Kangxi Emperor's decree (event).
This image is what it should look like after the events are finished. The region to the north of the yellow colored territory is Gan culture.
Hunan, prior to Chinese settlement, was inhabited by indigenous peoples. By 1419, Hunan was already part of China proper, so most of the people spoke a Chu language (Xiang), with a sizeable minority speaking Gan.
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Chuang(Zhuang) is a minority,live in Guangxi ,Guangdong,Guizhou and Yunnan,has own language system and own characters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhuang_people
and really there are some differences between han chinese form north to south,but I think two groups like north han and south han is enough.Han have the same moral rules,characters and grammar,just different in pronounce and living habit
Fyi
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wu culture and min cultures are sufficiently different from one another. wu culture and 'xiang' culture (should be called 'chu') are a bit closer in some aspects to northern chinese culture. wu and min cultures are different than the hakka and yue cultures. and the cultural line from north to south isn't as clear cut, you have areas such as sichuan, central jiangsu, nanjing and hubei where the people are southern han, but are more similar to northern chinese. so southern chinese subgroups are more like sister groups to northern han chinese rather than the same group. The Hakkas were already seen as a distinct group within the Han ethnic group, and there was some alienation between the Cantonese Yue and the Hakka whenever they came into contact. (the migration policies of Kangxi Emperor caused resentment amongst the Punti Yue Cantonese against the Hakka migrants from Jiangxi, leading to the clan wars between Hakkas and Yue-speaking Punti Cantonese.) Those same conflicts also erupted between Hakka and Hokkien settlers, as well as conflicts between Quanzhou Hokkiens and Zhangzhou Hokkiens on Taiwan. Oftentimes, even speaking different dialects of a single language, in this case, Hokkien, leads to conflicts over land.
Even han subgroups have sufficiently different moral rules, despite some similarities. For example, a Chinese from Suzhou is much more closer to a Chinese from Ningbo or Hangzhou rather than a Chinese from nearby Yangzhou or a Chinese from farther south, such as Quanzhou. (in the case of ethnic groups, a han subgroup is sufficiently different than other han subgroups- and a quasi-ethnic group in their own right at that.) In the case of subgroup identity, some Han subgroups claim descent from Northern Chinese forbears, in an effort of Chinese pride, but other subgroups couldn't care less and consider themselves to be their own han subgroup- regardless if their ancestors were from northern china or not. Depending on one's identity, there are some han chinese who don't regard the dragon as their cultural symbol, but rather a phoenix or a river fish. There are also other Han subgroups who couldn't care less if they were afraid of the number four or the color white.
Chinese dialects, generally vary in grammar. Wu Chinese is agglutinative than analytical (most Chinese dialects and languages are analytical), retain more Classical Chinese vocabulary and several non-Sinitic substrata and somewhat more SOV than SVO (SVO is the norm for Mandarin). Chaoshan dialect of Min Nan retains Classical Chinese grammar and vocabulary.
The written comprehension between a Chinese dialect and Mandarin ranges from little to as great as between Chinese and a Sinoxenic language (Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese).
Han
Min
Wu
Yue
Hakka
Chu/Xiang
Gan
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that is my suggestion
north Han # Confucian and Taolism 646 647 649 1818 1561 1562 651 650 1448 1447 1560 1397 1564 1820 654 652
1449 1558
south Han # Confucian and Mahayana 653 1819 1567 655 656 657 1817 1808 1807 658 1566 1557 1563 1455 1565
Chuang # Mahayana 659 660 661 1446 1555
Miao # pagan and Theravada 1553 1821 1556 1554
Manchu # pagan to Confucian
Mongol # pagan to Vajrayana
Tibetan # Vajrayana
Hui # Muslim 1559 1606 1604 1607
Uighur # Muslim
still a little complicated
north Han # Confucian and Taolism 646 647 649 1818 1561 1562 651 650 1448 1447 1560 1397 1564 1820 654 652
1449 1558
south Han # Confucian and Mahayana 653 1819 1567 655 656 657 1817 1808 1807 658 1566 1557 1563 1455 1565
Chuang # Mahayana 659 660 661 1446 1555
Miao # pagan and Theravada 1553 1821 1556 1554
Manchu # pagan to Confucian
Mongol # pagan to Vajrayana
Tibetan # Vajrayana
Hui # Muslim 1559 1606 1604 1607
Uighur # Muslim
still a little complicated
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