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After happycats posts, if we’re still alive, I’ll update my voting chart and we can see which of us hurt the village more. I’ve done my best to help; I’m not convinced you were trying to help the village. But I. don’t. know.
Day 6/Night 6
Day 6
Has anyone else noticed that Alan Robert John Jason Parish III spends most of his time whispering softly into the king's ear while occasionally pausing to cackle maniacally? No, just me? Okay, fine we'll go chase after the random half-orc surfer because he seemed silly. Now that we did that, can we all agree that Emperor Ike really seems evil? Like I'm pretty sure I just saw him kick an orphan off a cliff? No? We want to go redeem the bad boy villain because he's hot. Maybe one day we'll investigate this clearly evil man with far too many names. Maybe one day . . . Oh wait, we finally want to follow the plot the DM has been working on? Cool, wait, why are you just rolling to attack him instead of investigating-
Emperor Ike the plotter werewolf was lynched
Night 6
Marty was a true paladin. Not one of those lawful stupid paladins who ruined stories because gods forbid they interact with someone morally ambiguous or complex. Marty was the type of paladin who sought out truth, justice, and the Forbidden Realms way. Which made it only natural that the enemies could not allow him to live. You find him with his hands bound, in full plate mail, with the heat metal spell only just ending. This was no simple execution; this was a message that the end was coming.
Marty the villager was hunted
Has anyone else noticed that Alan Robert John Jason Parish III spends most of his time whispering softly into the king's ear while occasionally pausing to cackle maniacally? No, just me? Okay, fine we'll go chase after the random half-orc surfer because he seemed silly. Now that we did that, can we all agree that Emperor Ike really seems evil? Like I'm pretty sure I just saw him kick an orphan off a cliff? No? We want to go redeem the bad boy villain because he's hot. Maybe one day we'll investigate this clearly evil man with far too many names. Maybe one day . . . Oh wait, we finally want to follow the plot the DM has been working on? Cool, wait, why are you just rolling to attack him instead of investigating-
Emperor Ike the plotter werewolf was lynched
Night 6
Marty was a true paladin. Not one of those lawful stupid paladins who ruined stories because gods forbid they interact with someone morally ambiguous or complex. Marty was the type of paladin who sought out truth, justice, and the Forbidden Realms way. Which made it only natural that the enemies could not allow him to live. You find him with his hands bound, in full plate mail, with the heat metal spell only just ending. This was no simple execution; this was a message that the end was coming.
Marty the villager was hunted
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We have 5 players left, 2 of whom are wolves.
Players are
Wagon
Flock
Bear
Culann
Yak
Players are
Wagon
Flock
Bear
Culann
Yak
We're likely dead, as I expect Yak will vote me, so unless he's a wolf, and I don't think so, the wolves can snipe to me.
Anyway, here goes.
vote flock
Anyway, here goes.
vote flock
If most of you want, I can come back and put in the strikeovers for the other days if/when I have time; it’s tedious work that’s difficult for me to do so I won’t if most of you won’t use this.
On the descending list on the left, the wolves are first, then those of us remaining, then the known villagers. Going to the right, it’s wolves, known villagers, and then the rest of us.
I haven’t double-checked it today, so lemme know if you see an error. I think it’s accurate.
Edit: finished coloring the names. Almost lost a row doing it; think I reverted successfully, but I am tired.
On the descending list on the left, the wolves are first, then those of us remaining, then the known villagers. Going to the right, it’s wolves, known villagers, and then the rest of us.
I haven’t double-checked it today, so lemme know if you see an error. I think it’s accurate.
| MAWofdoom | EmperorIke | IronhideG1 | HxDude | Caillean | alxeu | Arkasas | Cymsdale | Randakar | aedan777 | Dedonus | marty99 | Flockingbird | Wagonlitz | TW|Culann | beartjah | Yakman | |
| MAWofdoom | X | 109, | 83|192| | 117| | |||||||||||||
| EmperorIke | 239| | 140, | 382 | 461, | 291|604| | 119| | plotter | 92| | |||||||||
| Flockingbird | 231| | 177| 325|589|631| | 85| | 309|473| | 603| | X | 126| | ||||||||||
| Wagonlitz | 186, | 620| | 132, | 280|399| | 600| | 486| | X | 75| | |||||||||
| TW/Culann | 183, | 648| | 97, | 549| | 298| | 429, | X | ||||||||||
| beartjah | 175| | 638| | 292| | 86| | 535| | 437, | X | ||||||||||
| Yakman | 130|178|284|398|554| | 99, | 663 | X | |||||||||||||
| IronhideG1 | X | ||||||||||||||||
| HxDude | X | ||||||||||||||||
| Caillean | 102|232 | 215| | X | ||||||||||||||
| alxeu | 228| | 222| | 82, | X | 314, | ||||||||||||
| Arkasas | 84|241 | X | 198| | 321, | |||||||||||||
| Cymsdale | 229| | 104, | 90| | X | 282, 326|425| | 295| | 190| | 77| | |||||||||
| Randakar | 234| | 101|302,303| | 362| | 211|410 | X | 81| | 225|289, | 336| | 302, 328| | 344| | 224| | ||||||
| aedan777 | 80| | 368| | 480, | X | 287531|| | 182| | |||||||||||
| Dedonus | 237| | 545| | 138, | 79| | 474, | X| Plotter | 111| | 330| | 181| | ||||||||
| marty99 | 537|635| | 188| | 469, | X | 286| |
That’s just stupid. Look at the record above. Today is the first time you’ve voted Ike; very different for me. I followed you yesterday, not the other way around. You tried to tie villagers; I tried to break ties.
Edit: finished coloring the names. Almost lost a row doing it; think I reverted successfully, but I am tired.
It's more based on process of elimination.
But yeah, should look at the vote records first.
I don't have the time to make colour counts atm, though.
Unvote Flock
i'm going to try to go through the votes again tomorrow morning.
see where my wolfdar perks up.
but wagon, wagon, wagon...
see where my wolfdar perks up.
but wagon, wagon, wagon...
I’ve posted them before.
The color coding (I did a diff color every day) and strikeovers don’t c/p over, and I didn’t understand Wagon’s advice on how to get that to happen, and doubt I have the mental wherewithal to do it today.It’s from Apple’s Numbers, so if you have that you should be able to c/p this to your Numbers program, and then you can move the columns and rows around as you please. It’s my first time using a computer spreadsheet, believe it or not; I’m sure there are fancier ways of using Numbers, but this is what I can do atm.
I hope bear can do the colored tallies again, and that between the 2 plus the usual analysis we can figure out another wolf.
Wagon, I don’t know which traits etc. were given out and neither do you. You keep confidently asserting things as fact that turn out wrong. Who suspected 2 plotters? You didn’t ever suggest that. You don’t know as much as you say you do. Or maybe you know more than you’re saying —because you’re in the pack. Maybe not. But continued assertion of knowledge when you’ve repeatedly been wrong is stupid, and you’re not stupid.
Edit: you could be a cultist. Saying it’s impossible would be wrong. It is possible.
2nd edit: forgot to say: I will be gone awhile; have to prepare a meal for the parrot and for me; spouse already ate. The parrot is misbehaving because I haven’t been taking her out on the regular schedule thanks to this game, and she’s been misbehaving. I need to spend some time with her. I’ll peek in while I eat if I can.
Final Day 1 Votecount
Day 2 just before outing (last vote at post #225)
Final Day 2 Votecount
Final Day 3 Votecount
Final Day 4 Vote Count
Final Day 5 Votecount
Day 6
[SPOILER]
Emperor Ike: 5
Wagonlitz [620]
marty [635]
beartjah [638]
Culann 2.0 [648]
Flockingbird [651]
Wagonlitz: 1
Yakman [643 Ike -> 663]
Flockingbird: 1
Emperor Ike [660 Ike -> plotter]
[/SPOILER]
Why do the spoiler tags for day 6 not work?
Ironhide: 3
alxeu [82]
CulannV2(wombat) [97]
Cymsdale [77 Yak -> 90 alxeu -> 104 IH]
HistoryDude: 3
Wagonlitz [75 Yak ->132]
Dedonus [79 Cymsdale -> 111 marty ->138]
Emperor Ike [92 Yak -> 119 marty -> 140]
MAWofdoom: 2
Arkasas [84]
Caillean [102]
Emperor Ike: 2
randakar [81 aedan -> 101]
yakman [99 IH -> 130]
Marty: 1
MAWofdoom [83 Cymsdale -> 109 IH -> 117 marty]
Alxeu: 1
aedan [80]
Aedan: 1
beartjah [86]
Wagonlitz: 1
Flockingbird [85 Arky -> 127]
Not Voted: 3
Ironhide G1
HistoryDude
marty99
alxeu [82]
CulannV2(wombat) [97]
Cymsdale [77 Yak -> 90 alxeu -> 104 IH]
HistoryDude: 3
Wagonlitz [75 Yak ->132]
Dedonus [79 Cymsdale -> 111 marty ->138]
Emperor Ike [92 Yak -> 119 marty -> 140]
MAWofdoom: 2
Arkasas [84]
Caillean [102]
Emperor Ike: 2
randakar [81 aedan -> 101]
yakman [99 IH -> 130]
Marty: 1
MAWofdoom [83 Cymsdale -> 109 IH -> 117 marty]
Alxeu: 1
aedan [80]
Aedan: 1
beartjah [86]
Wagonlitz: 1
Flockingbird [85 Arky -> 127]
Not Voted: 3
Ironhide G1
HistoryDude
marty99
Day 2 just before outing (last vote at post #225)
Emperor Ike: 4
Flockingbird [177]
Yakman [178]
Caillean [215]
alxeu[222]
Cymsdale: 3
Marty [188]
MAWofdoom [192]
Arkasas [198]
MAWofdoom: 3
Beartjah [175]
CulannV2(wombat) [183]
Wagonlitz [186]
Yakman: 1
Dedonus [181]
Wagonlitz: 1
Aedan [182]
CulannV2(wombat): 1
Cymsdale [190]
Dedonus: 1
randakar [cymsdale 211 -> yakman 224 -> 225]
Not Voted: 1
Emperor Ike
Flockingbird [177]
Yakman [178]
Caillean [215]
alxeu[222]
Cymsdale: 3
Marty [188]
MAWofdoom [192]
Arkasas [198]
MAWofdoom: 3
Beartjah [175]
CulannV2(wombat) [183]
Wagonlitz [186]
Yakman: 1
Dedonus [181]
Wagonlitz: 1
Aedan [182]
CulannV2(wombat): 1
Cymsdale [190]
Dedonus: 1
randakar [cymsdale 211 -> yakman 224 -> 225]
Not Voted: 1
Emperor Ike
Final Day 2 Votecount
MAWofdoom: 11
Beartjah [175]
CulannV2(wombat) [183]
Wagonlitz [186]
alxeu [222 Ike -> 228]
Cymsdale [190 Team Wombat -> 229]
Flockingbird [177 Ike -> 231]
Caillean [215 Ike -> 232]
randakar [211 Cymsdale -> 224 Yak -> 225 Dedonus -> 234]
Dedonus [181 Yak -> 237]
Emperor Ike [239]
Arkasas [198 Cymsdale -> 241]
Cymsdale: 2
Marty [188]
MAWofdoom [192]
Emperor Ike: 1
Yakman [178]
Wagonlitz: 1
Aedan [182]
Beartjah [175]
CulannV2(wombat) [183]
Wagonlitz [186]
alxeu [222 Ike -> 228]
Cymsdale [190 Team Wombat -> 229]
Flockingbird [177 Ike -> 231]
Caillean [215 Ike -> 232]
randakar [211 Cymsdale -> 224 Yak -> 225 Dedonus -> 234]
Dedonus [181 Yak -> 237]
Emperor Ike [239]
Arkasas [198 Cymsdale -> 241]
Cymsdale: 2
Marty [188]
MAWofdoom [192]
Emperor Ike: 1
Yakman [178]
Wagonlitz: 1
Aedan [182]
Final Day 3 Votecount
Arkasas: 4
Randakar [289 Dedonus -> 302 Ike -> 302 Wagonlitz -> 303 Ike -> 328 Wagonlitz -> 336 Flockingbird -> 344 beartjah -> 362]
Aedan [287 Dedonus -> 368]
alxeu [314 randy -> 354 Ike -> 371]
Emperor Ike [291 Dedonus -> unvote 318 -> 382]
Randakar: 3
Wagonlitz [280]
beartjah [292]
Cymsdale [282 randy -> 295 Wagon -> 326]
Emperor Ike: 2
Yakman [284]
Flockingbird [309 randy -> 325]
Wagonlitz: 1
Marty [286]
Marty: 1
Culannv2 [298]
beartjah: 1
Arkasas [321]
Flockingbird: 1
Dedonus [330]
Randakar [289 Dedonus -> 302 Ike -> 302 Wagonlitz -> 303 Ike -> 328 Wagonlitz -> 336 Flockingbird -> 344 beartjah -> 362]
Aedan [287 Dedonus -> 368]
alxeu [314 randy -> 354 Ike -> 371]
Emperor Ike [291 Dedonus -> unvote 318 -> 382]
Randakar: 3
Wagonlitz [280]
beartjah [292]
Cymsdale [282 randy -> 295 Wagon -> 326]
Emperor Ike: 2
Yakman [284]
Flockingbird [309 randy -> 325]
Wagonlitz: 1
Marty [286]
Marty: 1
Culannv2 [298]
beartjah: 1
Arkasas [321]
Flockingbird: 1
Dedonus [330]
Final Day 4 Vote Count
Randakar: 6
Cymsdale [425]
Emperor Ike [461]
marty [469]
Flockingbird [473]
Dedonus [474]
aedan [480]
Flockingbird: 4
Culann [429]
beartjah [437]
Randakar [411 cymsdale -> 454]
Wagonlitz [399 randy -> 486]
Emperor Ike: 1
Yakman [398]
Cymsdale [425]
Emperor Ike [461]
marty [469]
Flockingbird [473]
Dedonus [474]
aedan [480]
Flockingbird: 4
Culann [429]
beartjah [437]
Randakar [411 cymsdale -> 454]
Wagonlitz [399 randy -> 486]
Emperor Ike: 1
Yakman [398]
Final Day 5 Votecount
Dedonus: 7
Aedan [531]
beartjah [535]
Culann [549]
Wagonlitz [512 Flockingbird -> 600]
Flockingbird [589 Ike -> 603]
Emperor Ike [594 Flockingbird -> 604]
Dedonus [545 Ike -> plotter]
Emperor Ike: 2
Marty [537]
Yakman [554]
Are the forums being fun for anyone else?=
Aedan [531]
beartjah [535]
Culann [549]
Wagonlitz [512 Flockingbird -> 600]
Flockingbird [589 Ike -> 603]
Emperor Ike [594 Flockingbird -> 604]
Dedonus [545 Ike -> plotter]
Emperor Ike: 2
Marty [537]
Yakman [554]
Are the forums being fun for anyone else?=
Day 6
[SPOILER]
Emperor Ike: 5
Wagonlitz [620]
marty [635]
beartjah [638]
Culann 2.0 [648]
Flockingbird [651]
Wagonlitz: 1
Yakman [643 Ike -> 663]
Flockingbird: 1
Emperor Ike [660 Ike -> plotter]
[/SPOILER]
Why do the spoiler tags for day 6 not work?
Good result!
With Yakman gunning for Ike all game I'm less inclined to believe Yakman is a packmate. Soooo.... for me that really just leaves Flock or Wagon As I'm less likely to believe Beartjah would put Maw in contention on a day where a packmate was the leading candidate. Aedan's scan on Wagon makes me more inclined to believe he is a goodie but there could be a cultist. Obviously, my prefer candidate is Flock but we need consensus. I don't think we can afford to veer off on our own way.
Depending on how busy I get I might be able to get to a vote analysis tonight if not I can probably get to it tomorrow provided, I don't stay up too late.
Edit: Weird thought maybe that was Yak's game since no one ever believes him. Argh, I might be overthinking this.
With Yakman gunning for Ike all game I'm less inclined to believe Yakman is a packmate. Soooo.... for me that really just leaves Flock or Wagon As I'm less likely to believe Beartjah would put Maw in contention on a day where a packmate was the leading candidate. Aedan's scan on Wagon makes me more inclined to believe he is a goodie but there could be a cultist. Obviously, my prefer candidate is Flock but we need consensus. I don't think we can afford to veer off on our own way.
Depending on how busy I get I might be able to get to a vote analysis tonight if not I can probably get to it tomorrow provided, I don't stay up too late.
Edit: Weird thought maybe that was Yak's game since no one ever believes him. Argh, I might be overthinking this.
People are overworked and overstressed these days, and you become a ghost to haunt the living and make them feel guilty for just trying to sleep? Disgraceful! Yet history will wrongly paint us the villains and you a hero...
No, I don't jnow what was given out.
But I do know how to make good balanced setups. It really is an art.
And in a balanced setup you need to have village and pack(s) around equally strong in total.
Hence there'll be some things you can guess with relative certainty once tou know enough about a specific games setup.
As for cultists then every baddie needs to be scannable
So that'd require a priest.
Of you have both seer and priest you really need to have a sorc too.
Etc.
Now, does that mean there couldn't be a single, lonely, unscannable cultist? No, there could be, but It'd a very small chance as it'd be a bad setup.
Also, cultists die if rhe wolves die, so introducing cultists for no reason weakens the pack needlessly.
Nothing, but wolves, geenallly os the strongest way to make a pack. Especially on a small game like rhis.
I've never claimed knowing for certain.
Sorry if it came across that way.
The spy report on yakman, combined with his hard-tunneling of a wolf, means he is a very likely villager. I'd be shocked if he was baddie at this point.
Wagon has aedan's seer scan on him, but otherwise reads baddie.
Wait, why did we assume that cultist/sorc is impossible?
We could've also had a 3 wolf + cultist pack? Or 3 wolf + sorc?
Though we haven't seen any priest or even priestly-scan throughout the entire game. So then a cultist/sorc would've been completely unscannable. Which would be unusual, but not exactly impossible?
Let's consider some scenarios:
A) Wagon is not a baddie
In this case my assumption of yak not being a baddie leaves me with culan/flock as the last wolves
B) Wagon is a baddie
In this case wagon must be a cultist or a sorc. This leads to a somewhat funny conclusion: A baddie wagon is still a mediocre lynch. This is because a cultist/sorc cannot win the game on their own, they must be attached to a wolf. This means that even if wagon is a baddie, we'd be better off looking for the wolf to finish it today.
Now who would make sense as a packmate for a hypothetical baddie wagon?
- Yesterdays push against flock would make her an incredibly bad fit for wagon's packmate: All that wagon would achieve was killing a potentially hidden packmate to save a blatantly-out-in-the-open packmate. Todays push against flock just doubles down on this: If we have a wagon/flock pack, then wagon would just outright lose the game if flock dies, so trying to lynch her seems rather strange.
- Then the assumption of yak not being wolf lands me on culann.
So then for both scenarios Culann would be a good lynch.
Then if wagon is a baddie, lynching culann would win the game outright
If wagon is not a baddie, then we would get confirmation of this fact by virtue of the game not ending, at which point I think flockingbird would the target for tomorrow.
I only need two assumptions for this logic: Yakman is not a wolf, and flock/wagon do not work as packmates. I suppose yakman and flock/wagon would also need the assumption that I myself am not a wolf for this logic to add up.
But then Culann's day 2 vote throws a spanner in this logic: Looking in more detail, he was voting in a situation where it was ike on 2, and MAW/yak/dedonus on 1. Then pushing MAW up to 2 set up a second wolf as a major candidate. Such an action makes it extremely likely packmate is going to die. With ike being a wolf, this was more dangerous than I gave it credit for earlier. But then I'm stuck with 3 seemingly cleared people + flock, and there's still 2 baddies left, so clearly something in this logic is wrong.
So either:
- I'm misjudging the yakman spy report
- Wagon is a cultist/sorc without any scans that can pick him up.
- culann (or rather: wombat) decided that a dead packmate was an acceptable risk to take on day 2 to get some alibi points.
If I am wrong on wagon, then I'd immediately have a second logic-error as well: Either flock/wagon are packmates after all or I'd have to also be wrong about yak/culann.
Yakman has been tunneling ike all game long and then jumped to wagon. Could it be? Just going through the entire game only ever voting packmates? Maybe he voted ike day 2 thinking ike was going to be dead, but then got disrupted by an outing which could make him look bad, so he decided to just keep going till ike was dead?
Wait.
Yesterday we had two people breaking away from voting ike-the-self-professed-wolf. Yakman and Wagon. Wolves trying to cast doubt and hoping to get a villager to break ranks? No, yakman was voting for wagon there, so those two together don't make sense. But maybe one of them? @Wagonlitz why were you trying a last-minute switch away from ike there? @Yakman Why did you vote for wagon yesterday when ike was finally getting lynched?
Wagon has aedan's seer scan on him, but otherwise reads baddie.
Wait, why did we assume that cultist/sorc is impossible?
We could've also had a 3 wolf + cultist pack? Or 3 wolf + sorc?
Though we haven't seen any priest or even priestly-scan throughout the entire game. So then a cultist/sorc would've been completely unscannable. Which would be unusual, but not exactly impossible?
Let's consider some scenarios:
A) Wagon is not a baddie
In this case my assumption of yak not being a baddie leaves me with culan/flock as the last wolves
B) Wagon is a baddie
In this case wagon must be a cultist or a sorc. This leads to a somewhat funny conclusion: A baddie wagon is still a mediocre lynch. This is because a cultist/sorc cannot win the game on their own, they must be attached to a wolf. This means that even if wagon is a baddie, we'd be better off looking for the wolf to finish it today.
Now who would make sense as a packmate for a hypothetical baddie wagon?
- Yesterdays push against flock would make her an incredibly bad fit for wagon's packmate: All that wagon would achieve was killing a potentially hidden packmate to save a blatantly-out-in-the-open packmate. Todays push against flock just doubles down on this: If we have a wagon/flock pack, then wagon would just outright lose the game if flock dies, so trying to lynch her seems rather strange.
- Then the assumption of yak not being wolf lands me on culann.
So then for both scenarios Culann would be a good lynch.
Then if wagon is a baddie, lynching culann would win the game outright
If wagon is not a baddie, then we would get confirmation of this fact by virtue of the game not ending, at which point I think flockingbird would the target for tomorrow.
I only need two assumptions for this logic: Yakman is not a wolf, and flock/wagon do not work as packmates. I suppose yakman and flock/wagon would also need the assumption that I myself am not a wolf for this logic to add up.
But then Culann's day 2 vote throws a spanner in this logic: Looking in more detail, he was voting in a situation where it was ike on 2, and MAW/yak/dedonus on 1. Then pushing MAW up to 2 set up a second wolf as a major candidate. Such an action makes it extremely likely packmate is going to die. With ike being a wolf, this was more dangerous than I gave it credit for earlier. But then I'm stuck with 3 seemingly cleared people + flock, and there's still 2 baddies left, so clearly something in this logic is wrong.
So either:
- I'm misjudging the yakman spy report
- Wagon is a cultist/sorc without any scans that can pick him up.
- culann (or rather: wombat) decided that a dead packmate was an acceptable risk to take on day 2 to get some alibi points.
If I am wrong on wagon, then I'd immediately have a second logic-error as well: Either flock/wagon are packmates after all or I'd have to also be wrong about yak/culann.
Yakman has been tunneling ike all game long and then jumped to wagon. Could it be? Just going through the entire game only ever voting packmates? Maybe he voted ike day 2 thinking ike was going to be dead, but then got disrupted by an outing which could make him look bad, so he decided to just keep going till ike was dead?
Wait.
Yesterday we had two people breaking away from voting ike-the-self-professed-wolf. Yakman and Wagon. Wolves trying to cast doubt and hoping to get a villager to break ranks? No, yakman was voting for wagon there, so those two together don't make sense. But maybe one of them? @Wagonlitz why were you trying a last-minute switch away from ike there? @Yakman Why did you vote for wagon yesterday when ike was finally getting lynched?
This isn't entirely correct. A pure wolf game like we have in lites means that seer scans become full-clears, which suddenly allows the JL to organize much more easily than if they had to consider the possibility of a cultist or a sorc slipping through the seer scans. There's a reason the "nearly the entire village is part of the JL" scenarios only ever really happen in lites, not bigs. Having a cultist around massively nerfs the effectiveness of the seer, even more so if there is nothing that can scan them either.
Not saying that we must have a cultist, but an unscannable cultist in return for a village spy(alxeu) doesn't seem entirely unbalanced either.