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First of all, let me say that I would qualify this as a "game ended by player mistake followed by GM overraction".
I was quite unwilling to start autolynching people for the mistake of another.
I totally agree on these kind of mistakes. But a mistake like this, caused more by how the software is setup, is never something that should interfere with the game. As far as I know, these kind of things did not happen back when I played a lot. It's a bit the same at my work. If the user makes a mistake in a customs declaration, that can and should not be corrected as per the rules. If it is a software hickup, it needs to.
But I now know better, that these kind of things apparently happen. I have learned here and next time I will just let it continue. Or, as this happened only on the 2nd day, I probably would have rerolled and start again.
I have learned. And that's also why I decided to end now rather than let it continue and make more errors along the way.
I never said as much. I only tried to highlight the distinction between facts and whatever people would gather from it.
I was quite unwilling to start autolynching people for the mistake of another.
I totally agree on these kind of mistakes. But a mistake like this, caused more by how the software is setup, is never something that should interfere with the game. As far as I know, these kind of things did not happen back when I played a lot. It's a bit the same at my work. If the user makes a mistake in a customs declaration, that can and should not be corrected as per the rules. If it is a software hickup, it needs to.
But I now know better, that these kind of things apparently happen. I have learned here and next time I will just let it continue. Or, as this happened only on the 2nd day, I probably would have rerolled and start again.
I have learned. And that's also why I decided to end now rather than let it continue and make more errors along the way.
I never said as much. I only tried to highlight the distinction between facts and whatever people would gather from it.
Yes, the vote on Griffin. Changed it from jeray to you because of that. Don’t remember exactly why since 80% of the players had vote one of us at the point I don’t think you were the most obvious non Nay. I was planning on hunting Capibara today for similar resdons.
Welp, guess it can't be helped.
BTW, is there any wolf from the Nay Pack who would be so kind as to explain the hunt on me ? I think it's my vote on Black_Griffin that caused it (that vote feels like it was a huge mistake anyway, though I didn't expect to get hunted for it - more like lynched), I'd like to at least know if that's true or no.
(Or are wolves like magicians, never revealing their tricks ?)
I don't think it is a software mistake unless I'm misunderstanding @Jacksonian Missionary it seems like he typed the PM into the wrong box. That's on him. No GM intervention should happen. For that matter, people should be allowed to cleverly fake their role like that as an attempt to phish if they so desire.
I really am sorry guys, I didn't mean to wreck an entire game due to my mistake. I shouldn't be playing if I don't give my 100% focus. And especially sorry to Rysz, who spent a bunch of time on this game.
Yeah if someone had hunted Jackson there would have been 4 witnesses....It actually could be a clever way to catch a wolf.
I disagree, Jacksonian is blameless here. Well, not blameless in the sense he did nothing wrong, he certainly made a mistake. However his mistake was not remotely game breaking, it wasn't even role breaking. Had you done nothing the issue would have been minor. It wasn't something anyone expected, maybe it would upset "the balance," but the game could have continued on perfectly fine without any GM interference. My two cents is that this game goes on the record as some variant as "GM fail" with no blame assigned to players for the premature end.
Unless I'm missing some wildly different information, the issue here had nothing to do with software, Jacksonian just wrote it in the wrong PM chat. His message since you posted this only further suggests that this was solely due to human error, not blamable on the software. If software caused some kind of issue in the game, maybe GM interference is warranted, depends on the context. But this situation, as I understand it from the public evidence, was purely due to player error.
If that's the lesson you take away, I feel you're going in the wrong direction. If a player makes an error, that isn't against the rules, the GM should not interfere. Ending a game because a player accidentally revealed they were a scanner to a small group is a ridiculous overreaction by a GM, and shouldn't happen, regardless of the day it happens on.
And why are you doing that as a GM? That's completely undue interference by the GM. Especially since, as we can see from the conversation posted, you were directly responding to the conversation and speculation of the wolves without having been prompted. If players start speculating about events that have occured, the GM should do nothing. A GM should only be contributing to conversations to clarify rules, not telling players that maybe they are reading an event inaccurately.
As I've said before, your mistake should not have wrecked the game. Worse mistakes have been made and the game gone on. I once had a packmate reveal the entire wolf pack to a villager in a lite on the old forum. The game didn't end, and Al-Aziz convinced the villager he was actually a wolf long enough for us to hunt him without him spilling our names. The wolves went on to win that game. Players coming back from major mistakes often make for compelling games. A GM ending a game because a player makes a mistake is the most ridiculous thing I've seen a GM do in the over five years I've player werewolf, and I played in both of Dadarian's games.
I meant that the software being set up in such a way that these kind of errors could easily happen. This conversation system is new to me and I could easily imagine that someone responds in the wrong conversation group. I have been worried about that myself and double checked every time I had to send a PM.
I agree that I have handled this wrong. But it would ofcourse not have happened if the mistake wasn't made in the first place. What I did yesterday evening was wrong and only caused by the fact that I tried to repair my error of the handling on day 2.
I agree that I have handled this wrong. But it would ofcourse not have happened if the mistake wasn't made in the first place. What I did yesterday evening was wrong and only caused by the fact that I tried to repair my error of the handling on day 2.
The point about the software. It's a mistake that is unrelated to the spirit of werewolf. A mistake that is only possible to make as we play this game on a technical infrastructure that is not part of werewolf. Ofcourse that does not say my reaction was right but at least I can hope you understand how I came to make this error.
Also as a lesson to myself and perhaps others in the future
Also as a lesson to myself and perhaps others in the future
I was, in a sense. I wanted to know if I could help
Not really, considering what Johho was
I did. Privately. But there was no way to talk about it without breaking the rules.
Tbh, I hadn't really put together the Randy who was on the fishing trip was the same Randy I said might be the seer's app
Pfft. If you had connected the dots you'd have know there was no way I was a scanner
Nope
You didn't.
Or find the seer. Or...
Anyway, thanks for hosting Rysz.
No you did not wreck the enitre game. My overreaction did.
Hey I was building a case on Johho despite the "scan" clearly I wasn't all here for this game....Pfft. If you had connected the dots you'd have know there was no way I was a scanner
@Rysz
Thank you for being this GM. I can realize it is though to make a call like this. I hope your next game will play out in a better way!
Thank you for being this GM. I can realize it is though to make a call like this. I hope your next game will play out in a better way!
Another abandoned game? Haven't been too many of those!
I'm traveling to DC today so I couldn't be active anyway.
I'll play in the next one. Put it up!
I'm traveling to DC today so I couldn't be active anyway.
I'll play in the next one. Put it up!